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#27 Nov 06 2010 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
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It's more a convenience factor than anything. I periodically nuke all my temp files and cookies on my laptop and scan for malicious crap. That would be one more site I'd have to remember to go back in to save user/pass and set preferences for after each pass. Not worth it when all I do is look crap up on the site and never post anything.

The point is they changed the base layout, making the site worse and they should set it back.

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#28 Nov 06 2010 at 12:09 AM Rating: Default
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It's more a convenience factor than anything. I periodically nuke all my temp files and cookies on my laptop and scan for malicious crap. That would be one more site I'd have to remember to go back in to save user/pass and set preferences for after each pass. Not worth it when all I do is look crap up on the site and never post anything.

The point is they changed the base layout, making the site worse and they should set it back.
It's not worth 5 seconds to log back in every so often? Seriously?
#29 Nov 06 2010 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Raelix wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
zoogelio wrote:
It would be like if Microsoft back with Vista basically forced every MS user to choose: Vista or Windows 90, removing 95, 98, 2000, and XP.


Microsoft did do that with Windows 7. They removed the XP style menu tree and force you to use scrollboxes. When people complained their response was that "if you don't like it you can stay with Vista" (yes they actually said that, I'm not being sarcastic)

The reason? They wanted to force developers to make their applications friendly to touch screen devices so they forced scroll boxes on everyone, never mind that menu trees work better with a mouse.

The example you give is a change I don't disagree with, and the new start menu look actually started in XP if you'd stop to notice. I think the third version of something is fine enough to throw out the dated parts of the interface, and any complaint is akin to wanting File Manager back.


Scroll bars are less efficient than menu trees.
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If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#30 Nov 06 2010 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
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It's not worth 5 seconds to log back in every so often? Seriously?


Actually, no. It's not just a matter of signing in for a lot of sites. Some settings are actually stored in your cookie and not server side. IDK how they do it on the Wiki, and I really don't care to bother with it as I'll never post there. I played FFXI for nearly 2 years before I registered at some sites, and only did that to post. I've forgotten the user/pass I set for some sites...and to be honest, never bothered to retrieve them as I never felt like posting there again.

You shouldn't HAVE to register just to be able to use the site to look up something real quick. The point is it was well organized, fairly easy to navigate (compared to what they have now), and the pages loaded considerably faster than what they have now. You guys may not notice it because you have better hardware to throw at it, but this an OLD laptop (came with W2K installed on it), and you can really feel the lag on the page loads.

Even if I DID create a user and choose a friendlier skin...the search is crap now compared to how it was before, and the menus don't cascade as deeply as they did before, so navigation would still be hosed (load the page without styles and you will see where it cuts the trees off).

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#31 Nov 06 2010 at 12:45 AM Rating: Default
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I despise the new layout much like I do here. Sometimes I wished people had other things to do day in and out. Then maybe they'd be less likely to get bored and want to ***** around with website design that works.


Also, maybe some of you guys should just shut your faces and make an account and actually contribute to the wiki instead of complaining about it being a ***** to get information from everyone else taking their precious time to give it to you via a wiki. It's a damn wiki. You put in a user name. You put in a password. You put in an email address. It's not Facebook. No one cares who you are on a wiki. The boogie man isn't going to come hunt you down. So just do it or shut your faces and continue to leech the infos like you've been doing.

#32 Nov 06 2010 at 12:48 AM Rating: Decent
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It's not worth 5 seconds to log back in every so often? Seriously?


Actually, no. It's not just a matter of signing in for a lot of sites. Some settings are actually stored in your cookie and not server side. IDK how they do it on the Wiki, and I really don't care to bother with it as I'll never post there. I played FFXI for nearly 2 years before I registered at some sites, and only did that to post. I've forgotten the user/pass I set for some sites...and to be honest, never bothered to retrieve them as I never felt like posting there again.

You shouldn't HAVE to register just to be able to use the site to look up something real quick. The point is it was well organized, fairly easy to navigate (compared to what they have now), and the pages loaded considerably faster than what they have now. You guys may not notice it because you have better hardware to throw at it, but this an OLD laptop (came with W2K installed on it), and you can really feel the lag on the page loads.

Even if I DID create a user and choose a friendlier skin...the search is crap now compared to how it was before, and the menus don't cascade as deeply as they did before, so navigation would still be hosed (load the page without styles and you will see where it cuts the trees off).
Your skin is saved server side. Why don't you just use the same username/password for those sites? Smiley: glare

You don't have to register. The skin is usable. You just don't like the skin. Either register, or deal with it.
#33 Nov 06 2010 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Why don't you just use the same username/password for those sites? Smiley: glare


That is one of the stupidest things you can possibly do on the internet.
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#34 Nov 06 2010 at 1:03 AM Rating: Default
Lobivopis wrote:
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Why don't you just use the same username/password for those sites? Smiley: glare
That is one of the stupidest things you can possibly do on the internet.
For sites you don't care about? I said "for those sites" for a reason.
#35 Nov 06 2010 at 1:34 AM Rating: Default
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Lobivopis wrote:
Raelix wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
zoogelio wrote:
It would be like if Microsoft back with Vista basically forced every MS user to choose: Vista or Windows 90, removing 95, 98, 2000, and XP.


Microsoft did do that with Windows 7. They removed the XP style menu tree and force you to use scrollboxes. When people complained their response was that "if you don't like it you can stay with Vista" (yes they actually said that, I'm not being sarcastic)

The reason? They wanted to force developers to make their applications friendly to touch screen devices so they forced scroll boxes on everyone, never mind that menu trees work better with a mouse.

The example you give is a change I don't disagree with, and the new start menu look actually started in XP if you'd stop to notice. I think the third version of something is fine enough to throw out the dated parts of the interface, and any complaint is akin to wanting File Manager back.


Scroll bars are less efficient than menu trees.

Using the mouse is less efficient than Windowskey-Typewhatthef*ckyouwant-hitenter-bam, scrub.

Seriously, this is the one f*cking thing they got right in Vista: the start menu search-and-run thing. If you aren't using it yet, I'm amazed you ever switched from 98.
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#36 Nov 06 2010 at 2:15 AM Rating: Default
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Raelix wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
Raelix wrote:
Lobivopis wrote:
zoogelio wrote:
It would be like if Microsoft back with Vista basically forced every MS user to choose: Vista or Windows 90, removing 95, 98, 2000, and XP.


Microsoft did do that with Windows 7. They removed the XP style menu tree and force you to use scrollboxes. When people complained their response was that "if you don't like it you can stay with Vista" (yes they actually said that, I'm not being sarcastic)

The reason? They wanted to force developers to make their applications friendly to touch screen devices so they forced scroll boxes on everyone, never mind that menu trees work better with a mouse.

The example you give is a change I don't disagree with, and the new start menu look actually started in XP if you'd stop to notice. I think the third version of something is fine enough to throw out the dated parts of the interface, and any complaint is akin to wanting File Manager back.


Scroll bars are less efficient than menu trees.

Using the mouse is less efficient than Windowskey-Typewhatthef*ckyouwant-hitenter-bam, scrub.

Seriously, this is the one f*cking thing they got right in Vista: the start menu search-and-run thing. If you aren't using it yet,


If you know where everything is already you don't need to search for it. You just select it. The mouse exists for a reason.

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I'm amazed you ever switched from 98.


I never used* 98, I used Windows NT.

*I had a separate hard drive with a FAT partition and a minimal 98 installation that I used for games, but gaming was all it was ever used for and I got rid of that when I upgraded to 2000.



Edited, Nov 6th 2010 5:32am by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
If the Overlay Graphics Resolution is set higher than the Menu Resolution, menus will be automatically resized.


I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#37 Nov 06 2010 at 5:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Agreed with everything. The new wiki formatting sucks, and it's completely ruined the visuals. I'm particularly irritated at how they just cram everything together. A perfect example is the page for Dagger Trials where it used to have a lot of space and was easy to read the hierarchy. Now its just a jumbled mess of links too close to each other and is both aesthetically and functionally unsound. I never understood why people feel the need to "upgrade" entire site layouts which the users have become familiar with over many years. The old saying "If it aint broke, don't fix it" applies here. Zam did it recently but their new layout isn't too bad I can live with it. Wiki however is terrible and they completely ruined the browsing experience. I want the old wiki back.
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#38 Nov 06 2010 at 6:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Princess ThePsychoticOne wrote:
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that's all well and good if you have an account to sign on with and set skin preferences (I guess that's what you guys are talking about). But for those that just hit the wiki for info and don't have a login, it's a pain in the @$$.
It takes 30 seconds to make an account.


While making an account is fast, thinking of a user name and password usually takes me 4 hours. Mostly because I'm paranoid that the more I spread out, the less safe my name and passwords will be.
#39 Nov 06 2010 at 6:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Lobivopis wrote:
Princess ThePsychoticOne wrote:
Why don't you just use the same username/password for those sites? Smiley: glare


That is one of the stupidest things you can possibly do on the internet.
So is b1tching about something you can fix in 30 seconds.
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#40 Nov 06 2010 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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Kind of amusing that you're having this discussion on useless-vertical-bars Zam... But yeah. That new wiki format is beyond awful. I took one look at that a couple days ago and found myself being really glad I don't play anymore, cuz I used wiki so often every day when I did.
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#41 Nov 06 2010 at 10:17 AM Rating: Default
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Princess ThePsychoticOne wrote:
BDHERTZER wrote:
that's all well and good if you have an account to sign on with and set skin preferences (I guess that's what you guys are talking about). But for those that just hit the wiki for info and don't have a login, it's a pain in the @$$.
It takes 30 seconds to make an account.
While making an account is fast, thinking of a user name and password usually takes me 4 hours. Mostly because I'm paranoid that the more I spread out, the less safe my name and passwords will be.
asdfghjkl, password 12345678. Works fine, as long as you don't care if someone hacks it.
#42 Nov 06 2010 at 11:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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asdfghjkl, password 12345678. Works fine, as long as you don't care if someone hacks it.


This reminded me of a neat little tidbit of trivia so I thought I'd post it here.

Question: What's the longest word you can create using only one single row of keys on the keyboard?
Answer: TYPEWRITER

Sorry for the off topic post, but that just popped into my mind and I figured someone may smile from it (happy Saturday?). Anyways, as you were. Carry on.

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#43 Nov 06 2010 at 11:16 AM Rating: Default
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asdfghjkl, password 12345678. Works fine, as long as you don't care if someone hacks it.
This reminded me of a neat little tidbit of trivia so I thought I'd post it here.

Question: What's the longest word you can create using only one single row of keys on the keyboard?
Answer: TYPEWRITER

Sorry for the off topic post, but that just popped into my mind and I figured someone may smile from it (happy Saturday?). Anyways, as you were. Carry on.
That's hilarious.
#44 Nov 06 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've already ran into a situation where a wikia ad page(links to other wikia pages) was BLOCKING my view of information...and the only way to block it was to block the site itself. Who ever thought this was a good idea should be dragged out into the street and beaten severely.
#45 Nov 06 2010 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, what's the deal with web developers moving from good, clean interfaces, to needlessly small and fixed-width interfaces? Essentially every monitor sold now is widescreen unless you're a loser that uses a mac (hey and I thought trendy ******* artists were supposed to love macs, you'd think apple would throw them a bone and offer a widescreen monitor for all that video editing they do).

Hint hint, zam.
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#46Lobivopis, Posted: Nov 06 2010 at 4:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm pretty sure that the answer is actually Safh'Khalsad
#47 Nov 06 2010 at 8:27 PM Rating: Good
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Ugh, this new look has hit this wiki too? What's wrong with people...
#48 Nov 06 2010 at 10:47 PM Rating: Default
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my guess is wikia hired the dev team that did AV and PW to design the new layout, just a hunch though.
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#49 Nov 07 2010 at 1:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Mistress Melphina wrote:
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asdfghjkl, password 12345678. Works fine, as long as you don't care if someone hacks it.


This reminded me of a neat little tidbit of trivia so I thought I'd post it here.

Question: What's the longest word you can create using only one single row of keys on the keyboard?
Answer: TYPEWRITER

Sorry for the off topic post, but that just popped into my mind and I figured someone may smile from it (happy Saturday?). Anyways, as you were. Carry on.


Actually its teetertotter.
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#50 Nov 07 2010 at 3:18 AM Rating: Default
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It's like hearing people complain about a new facebook update in here.

In a couple of weeks time you will get used to it and you won't even care.

Get over it.
#51 Nov 07 2010 at 5:05 AM Rating: Good
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As I've noted in other places, you can fix the layout using Stylish to re-code the CSS on the site. I've done so here (sample picture in post), with other variants earlier in that thread (for example, a toggle to remove the toolbar at the bottom). It should work whether you're logged in or not. I haven't verified it against all the different page types, though.

The admins are not allowed (presently) to restyle the site themselves, but users can turn it into something workable on their own. Unfortunately that's just a limited subset of all the site visitors that go there.

As for the comment earlier in the thread regarding whether or not Wikia know people don't like the new layout? Given the, literally, thousands of complaints made in their various blogs (personal and site-wide), there is absolutely no way they don't know. Their stock answer is "You just need to get used to it."
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