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#1 Feb 04 2011 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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I just started farming for my AF3 this weekend for RDM and SCH. Having only reactivated about 2 weeks ago, I'm somewhat limited on stones and time. The body seems like a somewhat difficult piece to obtain, seeing as how you have to farm one NM for a drop to pop another. What is the most efficient way I can go about getting specifically RDM seals? I'll concern myself with SCH at another time. I suppose I could grind Dominion parties for 6-8 months before it finally gives me what I want =p But any other thoughts would be appreciated.
#2 Feb 04 2011 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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Number one thing you can do is get the abyssites to lower your time by 4 hours per stone, and to get add 3 min per stone. Do these immediately.

-Tonberries in Kons-A
-Quest trading black whisker to Rahal in Vunk-A [You'll need a bit of fame, 2 stacks of Sanguinets will cap you to start the quest.]
-Purchased in Grauberg-A from Cruor Prospector

That'll give you 8 hour stones. Should then work on killing the Nms and doing quests to add 3 min per stone. I trust you can wiki that broseph.

After that, let your stones build up a bit, do a bit of dominion and hopefully get lucky [this is 2 fold, you get free seals randomly, and you can possibly pick up pop items for body seal NMs,] and then find some friends that aren't retarded, or a shell that isn't retarded, and go kill the NM's. If you get 3 stones per day, and 40+ min per stone, you can afford to make a few mistakes and waste some Abyss time here and there.

The NM's aren't difficult, they're just much easier to deal with [and a lot less worry] if you have more time to waste.
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A quick search on ffxiclopedia brings up 12 methods of obtaining RDM body seals--only 3 of which are NMs.

Enjoy:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Estoqueur's_Seal:_Body
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#4 Feb 04 2011 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Symfonikz wrote:
A quick search on ffxiclopedia brings up 12 methods of obtaining RDM body seals--only 3 of which are NMs.

Enjoy:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Estoqueur's_Seal:_Body


7 of your 12 ways include me spending months grinding in Abyssea to hopefully get lucky =/ Trust me, I've been looking at that page. Each NM requires a pop item from another NM, all of which cost at least 60K on my server. Does anyone know how difficult the Cactuar that does 4000 Needles is? That pop item is 80k, maybe I can find some high roller who just want seals and will buy the items, we pop then warp back for more?

Edit: Also I'm getting a stone every 8 hours at the moment, and so far they're 33 Minutes each. It just takes time to build them up =/

Edited, Feb 4th 2011 6:58pm by Jeraziah
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A more cost-effective method is to take a few stones, gather a few friends and go gold chest-farming in one of the Heroes zones. Build up azure, pearl and amber lights on Elementals and then find a squishy mob to pick on for a while. Large gold chests can have pop items (both AH and Key Item) for NMs in that zone, and you could probably knock out some Ops in the process (possibly getting more seals if you're lucky).

Unfortunately, everything about this game is based on luck and being a time-sink...you're gonna have to suck it up and go through it...
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#6 Feb 04 2011 at 6:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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I absolutely don't mind spending my time doing this, I just worry about my limited Abyssea time. For whatever reason people seem pretty lazy in low man seal parties. I think it's because those players have been around for awhile and have stones to burn. There's no sense of urgency to keep TE's flowing.
#7 Feb 04 2011 at 6:33 PM Rating: Default
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What job do you have? I was able to single handedly solo about 300 minutes in 4~ hours as NIN/WHM while I was power leveling my dual box char's level 30 SCH. I was Cure III bombing myself but I wasn't casting utsu at all. (And I also spammed ruby light when I hit 180mins, and I still got up to 300.)

You might be able to solo or duo TE's while another small party farm's seal's for you. It'd be win/win. Of course this depends on what atma and job you have, too, really. Try to find something squishy. Also, have your group cap Azure light's by killing the elemental's there before they go seal farming.

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#8 Feb 04 2011 at 6:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Jeraziah wrote:
I absolutely don't mind spending my time doing this, I just worry about my limited Abyssea time. For whatever reason people seem pretty lazy in low man seal parties. I think it's because those players have been around for awhile and have stones to burn. There's no sense of urgency to keep TE's flowing.


Look Broseph Mengele, if you have limited Abyssea time, then your first focus should be to max your abyssea time. 3 stones per day x 33 min gives you obviously... 99 min per day to kill NMs and do quests to get you 40+. If you can't get a group going by shout, then just do dominion for exp/merits/skill/gil to get your jobs ready to go, and work on finding friends/an ls to kill the mobs.

The mobs are not hard. Getting pops is slightly hard. As I said dominion is 2 fold... you get free random seals [I've gotten 5/8 on 3 hands for jobs, and 5/10 on 3 bodies for jobs just from dominion.] The NM's are not hard. The pop items are slightly hard to acquire, but again, not particularly difficult. They are much less hard to acquire than say... diorite 2 years ago.

Again the main point is that if you have limited time you should maximize it. Either find 1)an LS, or better yet 2) an LS of a few friends, and do all of this BS together.
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I had a somewhat successful experience tonight, well not really but I learned a bit and expect to have a good seal farming group tomorrow. I did a shout and made a group letting people know there will be 8 people, 2 lotting each seal type. I figured that way we could keep TE's up, etc and it'd be better in the long run. We actually did fine on time, killing the NM and getting yellow procs but the major roadblock was the pop items that come off of NMs. We killed Audumbla 6 times and never got a single hide. Someone mentioned we needed Blue proc, which I didn't know since I'm still learning and only reactivated a couple weeks ago =/ I had us all covered for Yellow but we couldn't get a pop item.

So we got desperate and decided to buy some off the AH, splitting the cost. There were 7 of us at the time because someone had to go, the item cost 70k so we paid 10k each. The problem was there were only 3 on the AH =/ I got 2 seals, which is a good start I suppose, but this leads me up to my question.

I noticed the pop item for Emperador de Altepa is more readily available on my server, or it is at the moment at least. There isn't a ton of information on the wiki page about this fight, other than he starts with 1k Needle, goes to 2k and then 4k as his HP gets lower and then repeats 4k up to 3 times in a row. What is the best possible low man group you could make for this that gives you a decent chance of proc yellow. Or should I just attempt to make another 8 man group like I did with Yaguarogui and play it safe? Do pets from BST or SMN make this fight any easier to absorb the damage? Do you think the pets should engage or is their damage not worth the TP they would feed?

Yaguarogui really wasn't so bad, I'm thinking of trying it again tomorrow if pop items are available on the AH. Though after fighting him today I think I'd rather go with just 4, do 4 pops and leave and not bother with TEs. Meh, I can't decide. I guess I'll see what the situation is like in the morning when I wake up. 2/10! Goodnight everyone~

Edited, Feb 5th 2011 12:16am by Jeraziah
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Jeraziah wrote:
I noticed the pop item for Emperador de Altepa is more readily available on my server, or it is at the moment at least. There isn't a ton of information on the wiki page about this fight, other than he starts with 1k Needle, goes to 2k and then 4k as his HP gets lower and then repeats 4k up to 3 times in a row. What is the best possible low man group you could make for this that gives you a decent chance of proc yellow. Or should I just attempt to make another 8 man group like I did with Yaguarogui and play it safe? Do pets from BST or SMN make this fight any easier to absorb the damage? Do you think the pets should engage or is their damage not worth the TP they would feed?


Pets can help soak up damage, and if you're worried about them feeding TP you can just sit them next to the mob but not engaged. The only reliable way to take him down that I know of though is when he gets down to around 25% HP pop Fanatics Tonic/Powder/etc and zerg it down.
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#11 Feb 04 2011 at 11:26 PM Rating: Decent
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"How I got my RDM body seals" or "If you want something, do it yourself and lock it out"

Made an alliance of roughly 16 people to do Emperador de Altepa, offered people Atma they wanted, drops off of Emperador I didn't want and drops off of the Mandy NM before him.

Went to Altep, had 1 group farm trees for the 1 pop, the other 2 groups farmed mandies, until everyone in the alliance had one of each. Told who to lot what (kept track in notepad) and then popped 16 Mandy NMs in a row. Proc'd on them, then went to Emperador and popped all of those in a row.

Result: Got all my RDM body seals in one night.

Obviously this works best if you can find an NM that has a desirable atma, and if you have a good ability to organize and lead people.

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Hm you put an idea into my head...the Mandy NM that drops the Oasis Water to spawn the Cactaur drops hand seals for jobs different from the body seals of the Cactaur NM. I could make a group that hands out there killing that, and another group on the other side getting the other pop item. I'm a little confused about the Atma you mentioned. From my limited Abyssea experience, they're just something you get when the mob dies, aren't they? How do you determine who gets it in the case of Emperador de Altepa if I were to try and replicate the group you made for it.
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Jeraziah wrote:
Hm you put an idea into my head...the Mandy NM that drops the Oasis Water to spawn the Cactaur drops hand seals for jobs different from the body seals of the Cactaur NM. I could make a group that hands out there killing that, and another group on the other side getting the other pop item. I'm a little confused about the Atma you mentioned. From my limited Abyssea experience, they're just something you get when the mob dies, aren't they? How do you determine who gets it in the case of Emperador de Altepa if I were to try and replicate the group you made for it.


If you don't know how Atma works, I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself worrying about +1 Body seals...
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Jeraziah wrote:
Hm you put an idea into my head...the Mandy NM that drops the Oasis Water to spawn the Cactaur drops hand seals for jobs different from the body seals of the Cactaur NM. I could make a group that hands out there killing that, and another group on the other side getting the other pop item. I'm a little confused about the Atma you mentioned. From my limited Abyssea experience, they're just something you get when the mob dies, aren't they? How do you determine who gets it in the case of Emperador de Altepa if I were to try and replicate the group you made for it.


If you don't know how Atma works, I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself worrying about +1 Body seals...


I have an understanding of what it is, I just don't really have many good ones myself. You need a lunar abyssite to equip one, you can get up to three (Which I have). From what I gather, a Red proc helps you get the atma upon killing? In the mega boss groups I joined the alliance would get the atma after it's dead. You can also get some from memories of past missions you've done, like Windurst rank 10 for example. Like I said, I have a very basic understanding of them, I've just never heard of lotting on them like a previous poster mentioned. Does only one drop? Does it go into the treasure pool? Is it in a chest you /random for? Does the person popping get it? That's all I need explained to me.
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You don't lot atma and it drops to everyone in the alliance.

Triggering the !! once forces all key items from a NM to have about a 99% drop rate, this includes the atma. The whole alliance will receive the atma and any abyssite key items. Only the person popping the NM will receive a trigger key item (if any).

No one mentioned lotting atma. Rather, the poster was say that he was able to rally people together by offering everyone a chance at the atma. Of course, this also assumes people play nice and do not ditch the group right after obtaining their atma.

You only need yellow !! for seals as blue !! will not increase their drop rate and will only apply to gear.
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If you don't trust them, proc red only on the last kill. Smiley: laugh
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The quest in Altepa is pretty easy and you can get seals from it if you can't get the folks to kill NMs for your seals. It just takes a long time to gather them.
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After killing the tiger and goblin NMs many, many times, this is what I have learned.


People wearing full RDM Artifact 1 armor will always outlot you and people will leave when they have all of their seals.


This is why you quest it unless you have a group of friends ready to help you or if you're willing to hog all the drops yourself. The quest is rather painless and has a surprisingly high drop rate, I'd recommend it over most of the other quests in Abyssea.
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#19 Feb 05 2011 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
You can do an easy repeatable quest in Altepa for RDM "Slacking Subordinates" which takes about 4 minutes to complete. You'll get your seals faster with this than in an NM hunt.

Another easy quest is in Grauberg "The Egg Enthusiast"
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You can do an easy repeatable quest in Altepa for RDM "Slacking Subordinates" which takes about 4 minutes to complete. You'll get your seals faster with this than in an NM hunt.

Another easy quest is in Grauberg "The Egg Enthusiast"


8/10 blm seals. Done this quest eight times now without a seal. Doing one baby cerb probably would have been a lot faster, how I got my 8 after all.
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After killing the tiger and goblin NMs many, many times, this is what I have learned.


People wearing full RDM Artifact 1 armor will always outlot you and people will leave when they have all of their seals.


This is why you quest it unless you have a group of friends ready to help you or if you're willing to hog all the drops yourself. The quest is rather painless and has a surprisingly high drop rate, I'd recommend it over most of the other quests in Abyssea.


Not all Red Mages are jerks =p Today I decided to try Emperor of Altepa instead of the tiger. I went with 8 again, 2 lotting each seal type, we all bought pop items before hand. We also alternated drops, so one person doesn't keep beating the other. The other person lotting RDM only needed 3 whereas I needed 8, he stayed after completing his set, thanks to him and the rest of the group I'm 6/10 so far. I'm feeling pretty good about my chances of getting the last 4 this weekend.
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Jeraziah wrote:
I absolutely don't mind spending my time doing this, I just worry about my limited Abyssea time. For whatever reason people seem pretty lazy in low man seal parties. I think it's because those players have been around for awhile and have stones to burn. There's no sense of urgency to keep TE's flowing.


Take a few weeks and level subjobs or another job via non abyssea means. Hit up abyssea when you have a bunch of stones. with 8 hour stones you should get 40ish in a couple weeks. That is a lot of start up abyssea time.
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I intend on doing that in a week or 2 when the patch comes out. I feel like I'm wasting my time grinding up subjobs now since it'll be significantly easier when the update arrives.
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After killing the tiger and goblin NMs many, many times, this is what I have learned.


People wearing full RDM Artifact 1 armor will always outlot you and people will leave when they have all of their seals.


This is why you quest it unless you have a group of friends ready to help you or if you're willing to hog all the drops yourself. The quest is rather painless and has a surprisingly high drop rate, I'd recommend it over most of the other quests in Abyssea.


Lock them out, I don't see why people can't understand this concept?
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Lock them out, I don't see why people can't understand this concept?


It seems greedy to me to tell someone they can't have something, especially with the groups I put together. If I'm asking everyone to buy pop items, and bringing 8 people with 2 lotting each seal, it only seems fair to let the other person needing the seal lot as well. You can't really do "your pop, your drop" with seals because you don't need them all...well I don't at least, and I don't think most people would. Now with your idea from a previous post about having people come for the Atma, I can understand making a claim to the RDM seals that drop there.
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Another easy quest is in Grauberg "The Egg Enthusiast"


8/10 blm seals. Done this quest eight times now without a seal. Doing one baby cerb probably would have been a lot faster, how I got my 8 after all.


I spammed this quest for fame and from around 17 runs I got zero seals of any kind. Can't say I'd recommend it for getting body seals, unless you feel like going completely mental.

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It seems greedy to me to tell someone they can't have something, especially with the groups I put together. If I'm asking everyone to buy pop items, and bringing 8 people with 2 lotting each seal, it only seems fair to let the other person needing the seal lot as well. You can't really do "your pop, your drop" with seals because you don't need them all...well I don't at least, and I don't think most people would. Now with your idea from a previous post about having people come for the Atma, I can understand making a claim to the RDM seals that drop there.


It's not being greedy, what it does is give everyone a better shot at getting what they want. You and the people in your group will finish items faster. You just fill 1 or 2 slots for each seal, then stop advertising the ones that have filled when you shout. The only problem is if you can't find people who want all the seals.

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The concern with the quest way is always the constant "must exit zone to repeat". That just needs to go. If you can run back and forth and do the quest in 2 min, it is so annoying spending another 3 min zoning. If it involves killing something it is even worse, since you want to get buffs and atma each time, and it delays it futher.

I twittered it recently, but I just know my good ideas are overlooked because not enough people twitter the same things.
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I got all my RDM body seals from slacking subordinates. Zone in -> visitant status -> VC 7 -> run to NPC quest giver -> run to 3 NPC's -> give correct answer -> warp to Jeuno -> tele to Altepa -> rinse repeat. IT was relatively painless and didn't take that much time in the end. Drop rate for seals was about 25-30% and 1/5th of time it was RDM. Also needed RNG so it was doubly good for me.

Sure NM's with the right group is quicker but this quest can be done on spare time when you only have 30 min or so here and there.
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In my opinion, there are only two times you should do the quests for seals:

1. You are unable/unwilling to kill the NM
2. The quest gives seals for more than one of your jobs

There is no way that quests are the fastest way to earn seals for a single job. Of course, the opposite is true for NMs- the more seals you need, the less productive it is to kill NMs (because typically you only lot 1 type of seal per kill). In theory, the time it takes to earn 8 or 10 seals from a quest for all jobs is the same it takes to earn 8 or 10 seals for a single job, but for NMs, the time increases linearly for each job you need seals for.
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It's not greedy to lock out one seal, you should never have more than 2 people on a seal ideally anyways. And the reason you can lock out 1 seal for yourself is you're taking the time to make a hopefully good group.

Just don't advertise the seal you want, and if someone asks about it, tell them it's already taken.
#31rdmcandie, Posted: Feb 06 2011 at 2:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ya don't tell people what seal it is until it drops, great advice to elevate yourself to a douche in the group. Treat it like you would Nyzul, A,B Seals Freelot. It tells people they can get something and that if they need it they can join, while at the same time stating you want C seal so it isn't a surprise when it drops and you take it.
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It's not greedy to lock out one seal, you should never have more than 2 people on a seal ideally anyways. And the reason you can lock out 1 seal for yourself is you're taking the time to make a hopefully good group.

Just don't advertise the seal you want, and if someone asks about it, tell them it's already taken.


Ya don't tell people what seal it is until it drops, great advice to elevate yourself to a douche in the group. Treat it like you would Nyzul, A,B Seals Freelot. It tells people they can get something and that if they need it they can join, while at the same time stating you want C seal so it isn't a surprise when it drops and you take it.

I mean really why not tell them what you are after that is kind of silly, and the general mindset is why people don't enjoy pugs.


You're confused and deliberately misunderstanding. It's a generally accepted convention amongst NA players that if you shout for instance. "Pallid Percy NM Do you need it? PLD SAM THF Head Seal You can have this /tell @1/4" that you're implying the RDM seal is taken, otherwise you'd be advertising it. People who respond to that shout should only need those seals, or be aware that those are the seals up for grabs.

If someone wants RDM seals it is their responsibility to ask, not to assume that RDM seals were simply forgotten and are actually free lot. They're the idiots if they get all the way to a kill without asking then get upset that RDM seals are claimed. Also it's the responsibility of you the leader to find out what seals they want before or immediately after you invite them so as to keep tabs on who wants what and if what they want correlates well with what jobs they have and what jobs you need in the future.

Nowhere in my post did I indicate you should deliberately obfuscate what seals are up for grabs. Even if I was a complete douche (pot meet kettle), and advocating douchery that's still a bad idea because you'll only get one kill on the NM and then people will leave. Not to mention you'll have a harder time forming pugs in the future.

Even amongst JP players it's very clear if you don't advertise a seal, it's not for lotting. That being said, JP generally follow the convention of marking a locked item with the 〆 character. Occasionally you will see NA following a similar convention using X but it's much rarer than simply taking the item out of the shout entirely, and it's just as clear in that way. Keep in mind that JP have a lot more room to say something in a shout.


Edit: PS: It's absolutely asinine to build a group around the "Freelot" system, especially for seal NMs where you shouldn't need more than 6 people to kill it. People are less likely to get what they want, and without organizing it to a small number per item you may end up with a lot of competition over one or two seals. If you don't actually mean free lot, and simply that the seal is "open" because no one in the group wants it yet, you shouldn't say free, you should just list it or say open or Y/X where Y is the number of players in your PT that want it and X is the amount you intend to possibly invite that want it, hopefully 1-3.

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Ya don't tell people what seal it is until it drops, great advice to elevate yourself to a douche in the group. Treat it like you would Nyzul, A,B Seals Freelot. It tells people they can get something and that if they need it they can join, while at the same time stating you want C seal so it isn't a surprise when it drops and you take it.

I mean really why not tell them what you are after that is kind of silly, and the general mindset is why people don't enjoy pugs.


Um, but that's not what he's saying actually, and I can't see how you've even reached the conclusion that he is. By not advertising it you're implying that it's not available, only a complete idiot would get upset they couldn't lot on it if it wasn't advertised to begin with.
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I got all my RDM body seals from slacking subordinates. Zone in -> visitant status -> VC 7 -> run to NPC quest giver -> run to 3 NPC's -> give correct answer -> warp to Jeuno -> tele to Altepa -> rinse repeat. IT was relatively painless and didn't take that much time in the end. Drop rate for seals was about 25-30% and 1/5th of time it was RDM. Also needed RNG so it was doubly good for me.

Sure NM's with the right group is quicker but this quest can be done on spare time when you only have 30 min or so here and there.
That drop rate is what I had hoped for when I did The Egg Enthusiast like 20-25 times yesterday. I can use 3 of the 5 body seals and ended up with 1 RDM and 2 useless seals -.-;
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In questing for body seals, I've noticed I keep getting the one I want.
I've only gotten blu seals so far from slacking subordinates. I got 5x bst seals from Look out below before I got anything else. Maybe just lucky.

Bugol Noz and Emperador De altepa can both be solo'd by bst, but going w/ a party and dividing up the spoils is a more successful and efficient way to to it.
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In questing for body seals, I've noticed I keep getting the one I want.

Doin Brygid here. 3 WHM, 3 COR, and a BST to just one DRK. Random **** is still random.
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Just for your reference, I did the Slacking Subordinates quest during vacation. I would invest about 2-3 hours per day and ended up with about a RDM body seal a day with an occasional two. It took me about 5-6 days of doing this. Funnily enough, I got about 16ish of both BLU and PUP seals before I finished my RDM ones. RNG seals were the ones I got the least until I hit about 9 WAR then for some reason RNG started to pick up making me finish WAR seals last. With the quest you'll get your seals eventually, however, be prepared to be patient. However, since you've already started killing the NM, you can try doing the quest for the last 1 or 2 seals if you get stuck at that point and don't feel like NMing anymore.

As far as doing the quest, best to set home point in Port Jeuno, sub BLM for Warp, and use a job with enhanced movement speed. The quick summary is teleport to Gusta, enter Altepa, get Visitant status, head to Conflux 7, get quest, get southern NPC, cut through oasis and get northernmost NPC, cut again through oasis and get NPC near quest-giver, collect reward, warp out, rinse and repeat. Throw in your enhanced speed method at some point in there. I prefered Mazurka since two Mazurkas or one Troubadoured one would last the entire run. I used it right before I got visitant status since I usually finished singing by the time the Visitant status NPC loaded on my screen. Hope this helps. :o)
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#38 Feb 07 2011 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jeraziah wrote:
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Hm you put an idea into my head...the Mandy NM that drops the Oasis Water to spawn the Cactaur drops hand seals for jobs different from the body seals of the Cactaur NM. I could make a group that hands out there killing that, and another group on the other side getting the other pop item. I'm a little confused about the Atma you mentioned. From my limited Abyssea experience, they're just something you get when the mob dies, aren't they? How do you determine who gets it in the case of Emperador de Altepa if I were to try and replicate the group you made for it.


If you don't know how Atma works, I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself worrying about +1 Body seals...


I have an understanding of what it is, I just don't really have many good ones myself. You need a lunar abyssite to equip one, you can get up to three (Which I have). From what I gather, a Red proc helps you get the atma upon killing? In the mega boss groups I joined the alliance would get the atma after it's dead. You can also get some from memories of past missions you've done, like Windurst rank 10 for example. Like I said, I have a very basic understanding of them, I've just never heard of lotting on them like a previous poster mentioned. Does only one drop? Does it go into the treasure pool? Is it in a chest you /random for? Does the person popping get it? That's all I need explained to me.


So, you have 3 lunars with no good Atmas? Get your Atmas before the seals. Atmas are MUCH MUCH MUCH more powerful than ANY equipment you could ever possibly hope for - and, in many cases, 2 of the better Atmas will contribute to your damage more than all of your equipment combined.

With 3 lunars and some of the better Atma, you can pretty much trio any regular seal NM out there as well. I cannot stress Atmas enough.
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#39 Feb 07 2011 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Slacking Subbordnates:

8 rdm body seals
23 blu Seals
34 War seals
and never bothered to keep track of the other one.

The quest rewards are just too /random.

ended up just doing 2 stage NM hunt un Ule Range. Buffalo Ops until we had 4 Buffalo trigs. do buffalo until we ran out of trigs. Repeat until we all had 4 hides. Then farm Tigers for hides. Pop 4x tigers. Had to repeat several times. but after ~12 tigers had the last 2 Rdm seals for body.

It's best to just pick/choose and be willing to commit at least a couple of hours for body seals.
#40 Feb 07 2011 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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8 rdm body seals
23 blu Seals
34 War seals
and never bothered to keep track of the other one.


Well that's an incredibly non-random distribution. Sure it can happen statistically, but that experience is bound to be rare. I've spammed 5 different quests for various seals and while occasionally I get more of a certain seal than another, by the time I get all the seals I need its reasonably spread out. I have never got 4X as many seals for one job as another.

Arguably the same problem could happen with NM's where you could statistically never seal 1 of your seals in 100 kills. That would be rare but since all the seals are random occurences, it's just as likely to happen in NM fights as with quests.

And btw there are 5 seals with slacking subordinates.
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#41 Feb 07 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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In my opinion, there are only two times you should do the quests for seals:

1. You are unable/unwilling to kill the NM
2. The quest gives seals for more than one of your jobs

I would add a third:
3. The quest takes a ridiculously small amount of time to complete.

As support, I present Brygid the Stylist Strikes Back. Doing this quest takes less than 2 minutes per run, only 90 seconds of which eats up visitant status.
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#42 Feb 07 2011 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Over the last few days, done Slacking Subordinates 192 times (been tracking specific results with day/moon phase notation if you're interested in specifics). So far results have been 17 pup, 17 blu, 10 rng, 9 rdm, 9 war.

Was doing this quest solely for rdm and war...but moreso for war since I have the 9 stones rotting in inventory atm. Had 1 rdm seal from a random Dom-OP so this quest has essentially given me 4 finished +1 bodies and 1 seal off a 5th. Seems the easiest way to get a seal is to not want the one you're being given...random sucks, but odds say eventually you'll get what you want with enough time investment. Overall drop rate for me thus far has been 32.3%

Blu and Pup seem to be the primary seal drops, but I have to imagine that's just because I don't need those...results may vary, etc.
#43 Feb 07 2011 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Blu and Pup seem to be the primary seal drops, but I have to imagine that's just because I don't need those...results may vary, etc.


For you maybe. RNG and BLU fell quickest for me. WAR was dead last. Random is random and has nothing to do with what you need. It's just that when you are getting rooked for the seals you need you are more likely to take note. I've done quests where the seal I needed fell the fastest and I was done with the piece relatively quickly. It's just chance.

SE really should have devised a system of even distribution rather than random distribution. I.e. everytime you don't get a drop, it becomes more statistically likely to drop. Of course we wouldn't want to play with the Skinner addiction model too much.
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#44 Feb 07 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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The drop rate for "The Egg Enthusiast" seems to be about the same as reported for other quests - roughly 1 in 3. The problem with body seals is that you need more of them and the quests drop more types (5 versus 4). Compared to the other seals (hand, leg, etc) you will need to run the quest on average another 50% more times to get what you need.

"Egg Enthusiast" sucks. Takes me about 8-9 minutes for a single run. I flux to #3 and run back from the mound there. I've received 6 body seals so far and not a single one is the blm that I need.

I have used quests for blm hands and rng legs. In both of those, I was very lucky and the seal type that I needed was overwhelmingly the most prevalent drop.
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svlyons wrote:
xypin wrote:
In my opinion, there are only two times you should do the quests for seals:

1. You are unable/unwilling to kill the NM
2. The quest gives seals for more than one of your jobs

I would add a third:
3. The quest takes a ridiculously small amount of time to complete.

As support, I present Brygid the Stylist Strikes Back. Doing this quest takes less than 2 minutes per run, only 90 seconds of which eats up visitant status.
I'll support that. After all, I did do the sausage quest.
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There is another trick to filter out seals you dont' want. granted this likely doesn't improve drop rates at all, but if you inventory is full, you will only receive seals you already possess in your inventory.
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Xilk wrote:
There is another trick to filter out seals you dont' want. granted this likely doesn't improve drop rates at all, but if you inventory is full, you will only receive seals you already possess in your inventory.


I find this exceedingly unlikely, as nothing else in the entire game works this way. Things only automatically stack if you have auto-sort enabled, and auto-sort only triggers when an item is added to your inventory. Therefore, if you have 79/80 inventory, you gain a seal, you have 80/80, auto-sort triggers and you have 79/80 again. You cannot go from 80/80 to 81/80 and back to 80/80.

This is easily tested by farming low level creatures that drop something stackable -- fill your inventory, and then note that the stackable items will not go into your inventory until you drop something, bringing yourself to 79/80.
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Calessa wrote:
Xilk wrote:
There is another trick to filter out seals you dont' want. granted this likely doesn't improve drop rates at all, but if you inventory is full, you will only receive seals you already possess in your inventory.


I find this exceedingly unlikely, as nothing else in the entire game works this way. Things only automatically stack if you have auto-sort enabled, and auto-sort only triggers when an item is added to your inventory. Therefore, if you have 79/80 inventory, you gain a seal, you have 80/80, auto-sort triggers and you have 79/80 again. You cannot go from 80/80 to 81/80 and back to 80/80.

This is easily tested by farming low level creatures that drop something stackable -- fill your inventory, and then note that the stackable items will not go into your inventory until you drop something, bringing yourself to 79/80.


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#49 Feb 08 2011 at 12:31 AM Rating: Good
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Calessa wrote:
Xilk wrote:
There is another trick to filter out seals you dont' want. granted this likely doesn't improve drop rates at all, but if you inventory is full, you will only receive seals you already possess in your inventory.


I find this exceedingly unlikely, as nothing else in the entire game works this way. Things only automatically stack if you have auto-sort enabled, and auto-sort only triggers when an item is added to your inventory. Therefore, if you have 79/80 inventory, you gain a seal, you have 80/80, auto-sort triggers and you have 79/80 again. You cannot go from 80/80 to 81/80 and back to 80/80.

This is easily tested by farming low level creatures that drop something stackable -- fill your inventory, and then note that the stackable items will not go into your inventory until you drop something, bringing yourself to 79/80.

It most absolutely does work, and yeah, it doesn't increase the odds of getting the seal you want so there's not much point aside from saving time tossing the ones you don't need. Pretty sure there's some other items this happens with too, but I don't remember what they are off the top of my head.
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svlyons wrote:
xypin wrote:
In my opinion, there are only two times you should do the quests for seals:

1. You are unable/unwilling to kill the NM
2. The quest gives seals for more than one of your jobs

I would add a third:
3. The quest takes a ridiculously small amount of time to complete.

As support, I present Brygid the Stylist Strikes Back. Doing this quest takes less than 2 minutes per run, only 90 seconds of which eats up visitant status.


I agree with these 3. I would not spam a quest for seals unless I needed at least 2 jobs from the possible drops. I used quests to get my sch and smn legs after the first expansion because I didn't know any better. NM's are just a lot faster. And sometimes, you just feel like doing things yourself.

However, some of the body seals are more of a pain in the **** than others. Quests are a nice way to pick up a couple extra seals during some free time and also allow you to cap fame in a zone. This time around I did the Getting Lucky Quest in Grauberg as I needed 3 of the 4 seal drops. I also did Slacking Subordinates for BLU and RDM seals. I was pretty lucky with the latter in particular. I ended up wth 8 blu (the amount I needed) 3 rdm 2 cor 2 rng 2 war. I will fight an NM to finish of the RDM seals.

I think shouting, getting together a small group and either locking out or limiting each seal to 2 lotters is the fastest way to go. And while the body seal NMs take more effort to pop, they do make shouting for pick ups a little easier because you will undoubtedly get people who want to lot the hand seals, making it easier to find people.
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