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#27 Aug 11 2011 at 12:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you're getting big gold boxes (which you should be, if you're trying to get the Dark Rings that you actually want to keep instead of just sell to NPC), that means you're able to get KIs too. It's just a necessary evil if you're trying to farm keeper rings.
#28 Aug 11 2011 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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Thats true but so is Azure giving EXP/Cruor/Temps. The point is once a pass a certain level (seems to be about 160) while I did say "once you get KI's you are done" I sould have said "Once you predominately get KI's you are done". Also you don't specifically need big chests to drop for good Dark rings, I got a MDT PDT -5% ring from a little box, and Ive had plenty of **** dark rings from big boxes. It is luck based, all that big chests show is that you have crossed the a tier allowing you o receive the best possible rewards, but they can drop in any size chest.
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#29 Aug 11 2011 at 3:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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This thread reminds me of how much I've come to ******* hate tower shields.
#30 Aug 11 2011 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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rdmcandie wrote:
dont max your lights. You only need to get to a certain point before maxing them. You don't want to many Blue chest dropping blocking your amber chests, and vice versa. I personally take my amber to 120, and my azure to 128. It will be adjusted as I go, if I am in excess time ill push up amber 1-2 notches (136) and if I am running low on time ill push azure up 1-2 notches (144). Once I start getting KI's I will go outside and reset my lights.

Ideally your post light building should look close to this (assuming you have the abyssites for chest drops of course if not each one you miss will mean you need to "cap" slightly higher. But no where near the actual Cap).

Amber: 120
Azure: 128
Ruby : 96
Pearl: Working to Cap (230)

The only light you want capped is pearl, the other 2 ones are control variables if you have high amber, gold chests will drop slightly more often, if you have more azure blue chests will drop more often.

Ruby is set 96 is about as high as you can go before you euchre yourself and start getting gold/silver/ebon very frequently.

your "cap" is not getting KI's in chests, this means your chests will be something you can use or sell, win win. Once you get KI's you are done, and should reset your lights, then go again.


Unless you're killing slow, "ideally," your post lights should look like this:

Ruby: 0
Azure: 128
Amber: 255
Pearl: 115+

Now, you may have to adjust those values depending on what job you go on, but since we're talking about ideal situations, having no ruby is ideal, having just enough azure to get TE's is ideal, and having the frequency of gold chests above all other chests is ideal.

I'm not sure why you reset your lights when you start getting KI's O_o. The big gold chests will have KI's in them at the same point that refresh +1 hairpins start to appear. Increasing amber lights has nothing to do with the frequency of KI's over any other amber chest drop. KI's simply replace the rare pop items from the smaller gold chests. For instance, when I was farming sisyphus fragments, they will never drop from the big gold chests. The big gold chests replace the rare pop items, such as jaculus wings, sis frags, etc. with KI's. In the highlands specifically, the KI's will replace the pop items for the lower tier NMs (the eft, funguar, etc.). Therefore, KI's have no effect on the frequency of "powerful items."

I would agree with the VNM sentiment to a point. I think it depends on what job you go on. If you're planning on AoEing mobs, then you're better off getting pearl from the VNMs. If you're going to be killing the mobs one at a time, then by all means, get pearl off them instead.
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This thread reminds me of how much I've come to @#%^ing hate tower shields.


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#32 Aug 11 2011 at 10:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unless you're killing slow, "ideally," your post lights should look like this:

Ruby: 0
Azure: 128
Amber: 255
Pearl: 115+


again how many jobs are capable of realistic pearl, realistic amber, and azure. I can think of 2 off my head (RDM and BLU). All other jobs either need someone to administer the proper killing blow, or do it in a time consuming way ( a blm for instance trying to kill shot pearl, or a nin or /nin trying to kill shot azure.)

Since I have both RDM and DNC at 90, and my DNC gets to top teir dark rings faster (without capping anything at 255) Id say you list applies to a very limited crowd, 2-3 jobs (SMN I think can pearl and azure at will, and amber) can do this pretty easily. The majority of jobs (read straight DD, NIN/DNC/WAR/SAM/MNK/THF/DRG/DRK etc etc) can not hope to achieve the needed lights to have a successful farm. (unless you don't need azure and are just trying to net a few rings, at a chance of a great one).

You do not need to hard cap any lights, and once Azure and Amber are both over Ruby, then you see limited red chests.

Your pattern is good for the minority, mine is good for the majority.


Edited, Aug 12th 2011 12:55am by rdmcandie

Edited, Aug 12th 2011 12:55am by rdmcandie
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#34 Aug 13 2011 at 6:27 PM Rating: Excellent
rdmcandie wrote:
again how many jobs are capable of realistic pearl, realistic amber, and azure. I can think of 2 off my head (RDM and BLU). All other jobs either need someone to administer the proper killing blow, or do it in a time consuming way ( a blm for instance trying to kill shot pearl, or a nin or /nin trying to kill shot azure.)

Since I have both RDM and DNC at 90, and my DNC gets to top teir dark rings faster (without capping anything at 255) Id say you list applies to a very limited crowd, 2-3 jobs (SMN I think can pearl and azure at will, and amber) can do this pretty easily. The majority of jobs (read straight DD, NIN/DNC/WAR/SAM/MNK/THF/DRG/DRK etc etc) can not hope to achieve the needed lights to have a successful farm.


Nah NIN does very well on all lights, Azure included. My nuking gear (no +2 hands), Futae, standard RR/GH/Apoc (read: no nuking atma), full Hyoton/potency merits, no Innin, no temps:

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...is the best screenshot I could find - it's nothing spectacular but it's enough for building Azure.
#35 Aug 14 2011 at 2:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nah NIN does very well on all lights, Azure included. My nuking gear (no +2 hands), Futae, standard RR/GH/Apoc (read: no nuking atma), full Hyoton/potency merits, no Innin, no temps:

What is your nuke rig, out of curiosity?
#36 Aug 14 2011 at 6:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Solrain wrote:
Nah NIN does very well on all lights, Azure included. My nuking gear (no +2 hands), Futae, standard RR/GH/Apoc (read: no nuking atma), full Hyoton/potency merits, no Innin, no temps:

What is your nuke rig, out of curiosity?


Nothing all that close to spectacular. That's by no means any sort of an average for me (actually not even sure how the hell I hit that, although I don't really document my nukes as much as I should) but there was no fanciness involved. I did have the INT cruor buff active though, mostly because I'm lazy and usually pick all to save time Smiley: lol.
#37 Aug 14 2011 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know if it has been mentioned but whm can do azure/amber/pearl pretty well (atleast in konschat highslands). Thats how I got my wivre hairpin. My whm is by no means really geared for much besides healing and I was able to cap amber/ azure and start working on pearl when i got it (I think I had 60 minutes left). I would basically go to flux 6 w/ my Cata atmas (SD , Cosmos, Ultimate) and kill Pavan / The clionid for amber and azure and try to pearl extra leeches. I used my pdt set, phalanx, viel, ice spikes, and refresh.

Once I was done w/ that I went to the licorices nearby and would kill those since Cata does extra damage. The only issue with that is Guimave, however whm can solo it fine and people like to pick it up for fistule. I didn't gear for pearl because my thf friend was coming to help for a bit, but as she got 1 pearl kill I got the hairpin. However whm can switch to melee atmas and pearl some stuff fine I'd assume.

Edited, Aug 14th 2011 10:46am by Dantedmc
#38 Aug 14 2011 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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After 7+5 hours farming in Konschtat in these 2 days with my BLU. I'm not that convenient having my azure stuck at 128 and amber not maxed. After I maxed azure and amber, I found myself self-sufficient having enough TE chests popping.

On related note, clionids are a bit hard to pearl than other mobs, aren't they? I've got no luck with refresh hairpin and no good enough Dark ring for me (best was PDT-6%, breath-3%, 5% spell interruption).

I'm going to try raising my ebon more next time I try. Any suggestion an easy way for raising ebon? I'm trying to track T1 VNM by having both colorful and clear demilune abyssite at the same time, but it seems that it always give message on that the colorful one resonating, even though it's tracking the T1. Or did I see wrong?
#39 Aug 14 2011 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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I'm going to try raising my ebon more next time I try. Any suggestion an easy way for raising ebon? I'm trying to track T1 VNM by having both colorful and clear demilune abyssite at the same time, but it seems that it always give message on that the colorful one resonating, even though it's tracking the T1. Or did I see wrong?


you will always see the highest tier abyssite in the message if you have more then one. The key is the strength of light. That will tell you what you are tracking.
Tier 1 = feeble
Tier 2 = softly
Tier 3 = solidly
#40 Aug 14 2011 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
NIN can build all lights perfectly fine, even without a good nuking set. Get the mobs low and hyoton them for the finishing blow..

I don't think getting ruby is ever worth it, getting red chests after you cap lights(doesn't take long) really sucks :( T1 VNM's for pearl might be faster, or equal to slaughtering mobs, not sure. Sometimes pearl can be really random, 100% chance > random chance unless the t1's are allllllll spread out, but they're usually all close together.

Edited, Aug 14th 2011 7:27pm by ShiyoKozuki
#41 Aug 14 2011 at 8:19 PM Rating: Good
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Peimei wrote:
VZX wrote:


I'm going to try raising my ebon more next time I try. Any suggestion an easy way for raising ebon? I'm trying to track T1 VNM by having both colorful and clear demilune abyssite at the same time, but it seems that it always give message on that the colorful one resonating, even though it's tracking the T1. Or did I see wrong?


you will always see the highest tier abyssite in the message if you have more then one. The key is the strength of light. That will tell you what you are tracking.
Tier 1 = feeble
Tier 2 = softly
Tier 3 = solidly

Thanks for reminding me about the resonating power. I know I was missing something.
#42 Aug 15 2011 at 1:06 AM Rating: Good
VNMs in Abyssea spawn in a specific place, and follow a specific path that may or may not branch; for example, in Konschtat they spawn to the northeast of conflux 1 and travel west, north past conflux 2, then either head east towards conflux 4, or north towards conflux 6; in Misareaux, they spawn to the east of Conflux 0 and head west, choosing to either continue west and end up with the clusters, or north towards the bridge.

Knowing this path makes farming VNMs much, much easier; in Konschtat, start at conflux 4 and head northwest towards 6, then due south to conflux 2, killing as you go. Once you get that far, head south into the pass and a little east. This location is a natural choke point, as every VNM that spawns passes through it, and popping them is quite easy as they cannot skirt around you. All you have to do is spam /heal in the middle of the path once they get to within 20' or so.

Any job that can kill a t1 VNM faster than they repop (ergo, every job) can cap their pearl in ~30 minutes easily using this method.

As for Azure/Amber, both malboros and treants drop 16 of each per kill; a Pavan also roams the area, as well as both Ephemerals, making it a good place to cap those lights quickly. The Tonberry Bedeviler camp is just as good with Pavan/Ephemerals and the same enhanced lights, but my Rancor Collar/Whisker farming-induced astronomical tonberry hate makes it pretty dangerous.

All said, as BLU I capped pearl/amber/azure within ~45 minutes on average using these methods; your mileage may, of course, vary.

Edited, Aug 15th 2011 3:11am by LyltiaofLakshmi
#43 Aug 15 2011 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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@Lyltia: I'll be trying that method later this week, seeing as how slaughtering mobs isn't building pearl fast enough when I'm still missing two of the three Abyssites that help with building pearl.
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