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#52 Jan 31 2012 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
I've been wondering. Does tomahawk work on this guy?
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#53 Jan 31 2012 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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SCH G5 is probably a better example of being stupidly based on luck. Automatically losing 3/8s of the time is just dickery, then you get to play the RNG on resists...


More like 2/8 since Dark Book is doable (if it casts aspir or your shadows absorb the drain), but still bullsh*t.

At 70 though?

Earth for sure, Light because it'll heal itself I think, but I was under the impression that Wind was dickery too if it puts Blink up. I honestly forget the details, but something made it closer to auto-lose 3/8ths of the time than 2/8ths.

Edited, Jan 31st 2012 12:20pm by Raelix
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#54 Jan 31 2012 at 2:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Raelix wrote:
TaimMeich wrote:
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SCH G5 is probably a better example of being stupidly based on luck. Automatically losing 3/8s of the time is just dickery, then you get to play the RNG on resists...


More like 2/8 since Dark Book is doable (if it casts aspir or your shadows absorb the drain), but still bullsh*t.

At 70 though?

Earth for sure, Light because it'll heal itself I think, but I was under the impression that Wind was dickery too if it puts Blink up. I honestly forget the details, but something made it closer to auto-lose 3/8ths of the time than 2/8ths.

Edited, Jan 31st 2012 12:20pm by Raelix


Pretty sure wind was winnable, too. I'm not going to say it would be as easy as, say, thunder, but it wasn't a "oh, I just wasted my first nuke on it (earth) or he just healed what I did (light), let's just talk to LS while they kill me!".

At 70, with HQ earth, thunder and ice staves, and pretty much perfect int/skill equipment it took me 21 tries. I'm sure I lost some of them due to a mistake of mine, but the majority was the stupid odds of the fight against me.
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#55 Jan 31 2012 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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Its pretty easy if you remember what it was like to fight without atmas, atmacites and temp items. It reminds me of the promy fights to an extent. I think it should be left the same, simply because it isn't that difficult, and can be defeated by many setups.

It should scale however to the number of people entering, and should be soloable akin to the Maat fight for 75. NEEDING people is what makes this hard, the same thing that made COP hard. People that have done this generally won't go again unless money is there or a friend.
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#56 Jan 31 2012 at 5:43 PM Rating: Good
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I've been wondering. Does tomahawk work on this guy?


If you're asking if it gets rid of his damage cap, then no. That isn't what Tomahawk does.
#57 Jan 31 2012 at 5:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Its pretty easy if you remember what it was like to fight without atmas, atmacites and temp items. It reminds me of the promy fights to an extent. I think it should be left the same, simply because it isn't that difficult, and can be defeated by many setups.


The Promy fights were a major blockade too until they nerfed them. I remember getting through them largely because I had RNG levelled and everyone wanted RNG's and SMN's.

I don't think comparing anything to promies puts it in a favorable light.
It's a limit break. Should have been a solo thing like Maat. It should be doable by average folks with average gear that have fun with their friends and don't want to grind ultimate gear and/or jobs to win.
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#58 Jan 31 2012 at 5:58 PM Rating: Decent
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A solo fight like Maat would honestly have been a lot like the Maat fight; otherwise most jobs wouldn't be able to solo it. In other words, kinda boring. I think they were trying to avoid duplicating that, at least at first.
#59 Jan 31 2012 at 7:04 PM Rating: Good
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boring trying and failing against Maat was fun, in the end I used the forbidden melee side of RDM to defeat him. Ironic really. Going in and spamming tails at a Taru is not fun, it is a means to an end. I had a much more rewarding feeling conquering that old man alone then I have got beating this Taru any of the number of times Ive done so.

But maybe that was just me I dunno.

(the option to Solo should at least have been there.)

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#60 Jan 31 2012 at 7:57 PM Rating: Good
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Any limit break that's non soloable is asinine, it's supposed to be a measure of YOUR SKILL, not your ability to round up a party of others.

Then they better nerf LB1 and LB2. Both might be soloable with the right job and gear, but not generally.

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I failed RDM Maat twice (both times he resisted Sleep II then Sleep and I died), with capped magic skills, I could have gone in naked without being any worse than I was in the gear I had.

I failed RDM Maat once at 90 because of resisting sleeps. And I still haven't beat him on NIN yet, but at NIN 99 with 302 Katana skill I was still whiffing like crazy and couldn't break his shadows in time.
#61 Jan 31 2012 at 9:12 PM Rating: Good
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I failed RDM Maat once at 90 because of resisting sleeps. And I still haven't beat him on NIN yet, but at NIN 99 with 302 Katana skill I was still whiffing like crazy and couldn't break his shadows in time.

RDM Maat was always a pain. NIN Maat I did like around 90 and almost killed him before I was able to get enough TP to WS him. Maybe you should try the Opo-opo Necklace trick, eat some sushi, and start off with a Jin.

Some of my LS mates and I have essentially merced this for several people; they take in whatever useless job and a tail, then sit back while we nuke it. Hardly in the spirit of the limit break.
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#62 Feb 01 2012 at 2:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Any limit break that's non soloable is asinine, it's supposed to be a measure of YOUR SKILL, not your ability to round up a party of others.

Then they better nerf LB1 and LB2. Both might be soloable with the right job and gear, but not generally.

Totally agree.

Those Genkai were asinine too and typical SE cock-blocks. Today LB1 is reasonably doable for someone who's played before and knows what job/subjob are going to be best used, for a new player fresh at 50 it's probably still a nightmare, and LB2 certainly is out of reach for most players old or new.


Edited, Feb 1st 2012 3:28am by Kragorn
#63 Feb 01 2012 at 5:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Thing with this fight is it can be easy, or it can be ridiculously broken, it's kinda like the old RDM Maat fight, just random. If you don't use PD zerg or tail + manaburn then it boils down to pure luck. He can at any point in time just flatly kill someone no questions asked. He wants you dead, you instantly die, no defense options will save you. If he wants multiple of your party dead, then they will die one at a time, nothing you can do. No amount of tanking or curing will save you, everyone will just die. But if his AI doesn't decide to start wiping you out, then he's pretty easy with fast hitting melee's. Really it's entirely up to what his AI decides to do at that moment in time.

Or you can just PD zerg or tail + manaburn him and remove the random AI from the equation, which is what most of us did.
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#64 Feb 01 2012 at 6:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I failed RDM Maat once at 90 because of resisting sleeps. And I still haven't beat him on NIN yet, but at NIN 99 with 302 Katana skill I was still whiffing like crazy and couldn't break his shadows in time.

RDM Maat was always a pain. NIN Maat I did like around 90 and almost killed him before I was able to get enough TP to WS him. Maybe you should try the Opo-opo Necklace trick, eat some sushi, and start off with a Jin.

You think I'm a total noob or what? I had all that AND a Blink Band and Stoneskin Torque. And Jin doesn't go through shadows, does it? Read what I said, I couldn't even break his shadows because I was whiffing. I think I hit him 2 times out of my first 8 swings. Doing the math, that means he still had 2 shadows up.

Luck, remember?

Anyhow, I only have NIN and RNG left to do, but I got burned out on Maat fights for a while.
#65 Feb 01 2012 at 9:54 AM Rating: Good
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Then they better nerf LB1 and LB2. Both might be soloable with the right job and gear, but not generally.


Admittedly those could be done with just one high level player to help. You can't bring just one level 99 to LB10 and have a prayer.
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#66 Feb 01 2012 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll just mirror that NIN Maat still had redonkulously high evasion even at 90 when I did it. I saw no pressing need for food or buff items, but the fact you could gain like 150+ Katana levels between 70 and 90 and him still having a 40%+ EVA rate says something about Maat's mechanics.
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I'll just mirror that NIN Maat still had redonkulously high evasion even at 90 when I did it. I saw no pressing need for food or buff items, but the fact you could gain like 150+ Katana levels between 70 and 90 and him still having a 40%+ EVA rate says something about Maat's mechanics the horrible game formulae.

#68 Feb 02 2012 at 6:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Huh... every Maat I did at 90+ or some ridiculous level like that was a curbstomp. Never had any of the kind of problems talked about in this thread, and I often was underskilled for the fights.

THF Maat at 70 though, that was a friggin nightmare.
#69 Feb 02 2012 at 7:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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THF Maat at 70 though, that was a friggin nightmare.

And another great example of where LUCK >>> skill: on another character I lost on THF twice, first time pretty badly, second time it was close, third time STEAL landed after I died and rezzed, and I won.

RNG >>> skill.


Edited, Feb 2nd 2012 8:43am by Kragorn
#70 Feb 02 2012 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
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Stealing for the win doesn't even work unless it's the first job you're doing the quest for, which it wasn't for me. I eventually just gave in and leveled to 75 to make it much easier. Suddenly I was able to actually land hits and evade fairly well, which I sure as hell wasn't doing at 70.

I figured it would have been simple to do at 70 since I had merits that first-jobber THFs couldn't have and pretty good gear that first-jobber THFs mostly didn't have yet, but I was way wrong. I definitely had a harder time with THF Maat than any other. Even RDM, notorious for being difficult, I beat on first try.
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