BLM/BRD in AbysseaFollow

What if you don't need the BLM to do any of those things?

As long as you don't do something stupid like start casting your highest nuke at 100%, hate won't be an issue.
With temps and atmas, MP shouldn't be one either.

Manawell and manawall are your friends.

Edited, Apr 17th 2012 10:31pm by RizzoRazzle

NakoGhost, there's no need for meaningless posts like that. If you have nothing to say to contribute to the topic, then you shouldn't post. Making posts just to say stuff like "Cool story" or things like that is unnecessary.

My tips:

- If you are concerned about pulling hate, don't put on your best atma. If I'm in a group with a tank I don't trust, I'll use Minikin, Ultimate (for magic accuracy), and intentionally nerf myself with Atma of Allure. If I'm with a tank I trust, I'll swap out Allure for Beyond.

- Remember when we were in the dunes and we first learned about spike enmity and decay enmity when we were told to wait ten seconds in between Aero casts? Same applies in Abyssea. Time it carefully so that you don't have too many dirty nukes, and give yourself a small gap in between casts to allow for a bit of enmity decay.

- Having the BLM come /BRD is pointless if you are also missing someone with /NIN, a BLU, a THF, or a WHM. In a duo, BLM/RDM will serve you and the tank better. But BLM/BRD is the most efficient in a "perfect" setup: A THF/DNC, a BLU/NIN, a WHM/RDM, and a BLM/BRD.

It'll be 1/7 just like BLU. It'll be BRD 14% of the time. Not often, but not rare either. If I have the chance, I'll bring both BLM/BRD and BLU because that's most efficient.

That said, it looks like the problem was a lack of experience fighting an NM like the Flying Spaghetti Monster in Mis [A].

It shouldn't have taken longer than having the mob at 90%. If the NIN can get hints, then he should be spamming spells to get the hint. If it's the WHM getting the hint then dia/dia2, and BLM would be bio/bio2.

Once you get the hint, it usually works best for me if I wait for a tp move, then get the tank to turn until the monster casts a spell. After that, do your first couple trigger options. Usually the monster will be casting again soon, so just wait until his spell is done to cast other !! options so that you know they will land clean. If getting hate off the tank is a concern, break it up and have the tank start fighting again in between each trigger attempt. Cast your nukes naked if you want with only refresh atmas and magic acc atmas on.


Edited, Apr 17th 2012 11:18pm by TribalProphet

It's funny because the other day my friend was being judged by his parents for drinking alcohol, they thought it was unchristian. In response I said aren't they being anti-christian for judging others? then I realized I was judging someone who judged someone and by proxy was equally as guilty. Yeah I know, I'm perpetuating a never ending loop, just sayin...

On topic, tyvm for the tips!

NIN dying to the spaghetti dragon aside, there's no need for him to actually be meleeing him that low before even getting a proc message. Whacking to 85% or so and then spinning the wheel with his back to it should've been fine. Hell, the BLM could be spamming Stone, too. I know messages can be stubborn, but as one of the few remaining popped Abyssea NMs that still require a timed spawn kill, I'd think getting the most of it should be a priority.

I agree that /brd SUCKS for survivability, but if I am there to proc, then I am there to proc. I have built up my /brd macc, chr, singing skill to the point that I don't need elemental seal any longer. The thing I miss the most and I always forget is sneak and invis. I am too used to being a mage and having it at all times.

Usually when we are +2 hunting we go bst/nin, blu/rdm, blm/brd and have the bst pet tank while we all go for staggers. We try to stay away from lightsday since we don't have a whm, but if we are on a mob like CC or Ulhuadashi and light is the proc, I will warp out, job change, and go back (usually gearless) just to proc. Again, in Aby, my job is to proc.

If we are doing -ga/CW/FC burns before hand to build pops, then I definitely /rdm. A quick warp back to job change really isn't that hard.

Your problem wasn't the subjob, it was poor play on the main job. 2/4 of your spells in the first pass were dirty, so your timing sucks. Then you did AM a second time even though the first was clean, even though you hadn't landed IV cleanly yet. Then you tried to nuke it to death at 4% using a spell that doesn't exist, and died twice in the process (Manafont+Manawall says "Hi!").

But then the bard will want drops.

Edit: To that end, whenever we're doing bigger NMs in our linkshell, I'm on bard as long as we have someone else coming as BLM. That's assuming we have at least five bodies, though. I've done BLM/BRD plenty of times because having the BLM for procs is way way way more critical than having a BRD, even one with Ghorn, and I don't mind risking my neck for the extra 17% chance.

Edited, Apr 18th 2012 1:04pm by catwho

Making an unnecessary post to point out that this post is unnecessary it contributes nothing to the topic.

Actually I lied.

OP BLM/BRD is pretty much standard for all seal hunting, you don't need defensive measures because you are there to proc, not kill or help heal. If you die, Apoc will let you cast again. If you die twice, apoc will still let you cast again, even if you do 0 damage you can still proc.

This is the thing, if a group needs a blm to /brd the blm is not there to deal damage. The Blm is there just to proc. Adjust your atmas accordingly. Maybe more refresh instead of beyond or ultimate if you have mp issues. Also nuke in the opposite element stave since it will actually apply a damage penalty to the spell. If your whm is having mp issues and nin is having trouble dealing enough damage, do you all have three lunars and the right atma? If no your time is better spent working on that as it will make the rest of abyssea farming much, much easier.


*Since I commented on it I feel obligated to say I don't have /brd leveled for my blm. My group always had a dedicated brd when we were going through abyssea. However I've recently come back from a break to find most everyone has vanished. I'm taking up my nin right now and fully expect to take brd to 49 to make my life easier when the time comes to go after +1/+2s.

Pretty much agree with everyone pulling for BLM/BRD for procing in aby. MP isn't an issue if you have the right atmas, and neither should dying. Spam bio till hint > then trigger. If you are pulling hate your doing blizzaga3 as soon as the mob is popped or your tank sucks. Even if you pull hate you have manawall and enmity douse. As for "bastardizing the job".. like any other MMO, it all comes down to doing the most with the least people. You can cut a whole useless person out by subbing BRD, and you aren't losing -that- much damage. Also, yeah its only once every 10mins, but you save ESeal till you got all other procs clean, then get the threnody to land. And yes, no matter how you spin it 1/7 will be 14%. Will you run into times when its not brd 10 in a row, sure. But I have also seen mobs be NIN proc 5 in a row when all we had was a THF/NIN. Over time it will average to 14%, so stop arguing with math.

Edited, Apr 18th 2012 4:25pm by ShamanTaru

I didn't say anything about you pulling hate. You're a bad BLM because of your 37.5% dirty proc rate, and because you keep casting spells that landed cleanly while complaining that you're low on mp and that the mob is dying too fast. If you're having those two problems, recasting clean AM procs isn't helping you.

Obviously everyone would do that if it was no problem to get one and the extra person didn't want any drops. Not everyone is that fortunate.




I'm not going to get into a pseudo-RCD debate on probability with you, sorry.

Bottom line, if you're cool with throwing away your chance to grellow 1/7 of the time, feel free to not bring BRD or BLM/BRD. The rest of us will be doin it rite by achieving a nearly 100% grellow rate with as few as 2 people.

Edited, Apr 18th 2012 6:18pm by Fynlar

Stop tanking with gimped tanks.

All I saw was whm/thf. That was your first problem. If you know you have no sub j why try to claim if nin or whm is not close by? I have fought mobs were it was brd proc 4 times in a row. You just had a bad run. If you don't want to come / brd then don't it's your loss if it's brd proc.

BLM/BRD and BLU/NIN will work just fine if you time your event so that you miss light and dark procs. Even if you go on those days, you have a pretty good chance of getting another day's element, anyways, but it's far from ideal.



Edited, Apr 18th 2012 9:54pm by RizzoRazzle

WHM was kinda assumed because WHM is the only healer in FFXI.

I was referring to having 2 people there who are there solely to proc, in which case BLM/BRD and BLU/NIN cover the most.

Random is Random is Random. It all depends on your luck.

Do you generally have good luck? Then you're probably fine running blm/rdm instead of blm/brd.

Does the game hate you? Every time you don't /brd, it will be /brd at least 50% of the time, purely because the game hates you. You can laugh at this and say the numbers are totally made up, but every one of you has experienced this and knows full well that the game's RNG loves to @#%^ with us. It's almost ALWAYS the proc you DON'T have, or if you have them all, it'll be the worst possible proc choice over and over. I remember one run doing an nm with a pld tank (back when abyssea was still hard, before heroes and when scars was still fresh, I don't remember the nm though), where like, 4 pops in a row, the trigger was flash. We had a bard, a blm, a blu, and a nin. The trigger was still flash.

That said, those of us wars who happen to have our various weapons skilled up don't get to complain about having to set nothing but regain atmas (ie: having to set @#%^ing sea daughter... *twitch*) when red procs are needed lowman, so why should you get to complain about having to sub /brd? Quitcherbitchin. Proc bitch is proc bitch. You're very much NOT there for damage. Anything can put out absurd damage in abyssea. You're there to proc, because blm is really the only procing job besides bard that can get enough m.acc to semi-reliably land threnodies

Its funny how you comment on subjob choice "bastardizing the function of a <main> job."

To date, I have farmed 663 +1 seals and 528 +2 items - and in almost every situation I was BLM/BRD on one account and THF/NIN on the other (with two other random people). Coming from a guy who has literally farmed most of my 1100+ AF3 upgrades as a BLM/BRD (with rarely a death), you're doing it wrong.

BLM/BRD is efficient for proc coverage, and is quite useful for mobs that are timed spawns, expensive pops, etc., where you want to make the most out of each pop. On the other hand, BLM/RDM with full damage atmas can speed up kills of easy NMs significantly. It can also farm time/xp/cruor and additional pop items. It's ok to throw away 1/7 of your chance to proc a given mob in exchange for killing 50% more of them in a given period of time. Of course, a lot of people who play BLM only to proc-whore can't solo effectively anyhow, so they should just /BRD and be done with it.

Both /BRD and /RDM have a place, and the people arguing that it always has to be one or the other aught to open their eyes once in a while.

Personally, I don't like to go to abyssea just to proc. I like blowing stuff up, even when it's completely unnecessary. But, I recognize the lack of /BRD is sometimes a detriment, so I'm leveling BRD on a second account. I figure that's about the only way I can really justify not ever using it on my main.

(yeah yeah yeah, in before "level BLU on your alt and come BLM/BRD anyhow.")

Edited, Apr 19th 2012 11:23am by VxSote