Was under the impression they were similar to Joyeuse in that respect, maybe a little less, but don't quote me on that. At the very least, it would be safe to assume they beat the DA% equivalents even though OAT won't affect WS damage.
I thought this would be the case. In that case forgive me if I'm being ignorant, but I still don't understand why the OaT lance and polearm are so powerful that they "crush" their empyrean counterparts. You summed up my problem understanding this which boils down to these two points
-----OaT weapons have a similar DoT as the empyrean weapons (lower base damage but should proc two attacks about half the time, and empyrean aftermath is ODD 30% at 100% tp for 30 seconds. 40% activation at 200% tp for 30 seconds, and 50% activation at 300% to for 90 seconds)
-----OaT weapons build tp a lot faster than their empyrean counterparts, but even if you're using the merit weaponskill their base damage is lower so the weaponskill damage will be cut down accordingly.
I would like to know what data supports the OaT weapons over empyrean rather than simply being told they're better. I'm not saying they're NOT mind you, but from someone with no firsthand experience I'd like to know why. What events was this statement based off of and against what types of players. I would think that in voidwatch an empyrean should crush an OaT simply because voidwatch relies heavily on proccing the mob and refilling temp items, and that means dadeulous wings. An empyrean lance or great sword player participating in voidwatch can still merit the same weaponskills to level 5, so I would assume the tp wings would more than compensate for any offsets in OaT tp gain, and since D wings give 300% TP they enable a level 3 empyrean aftermath right from the start (ODD 50% activation rate for 90 seconds). On the flipside if we were looking at farming generics I would think the weapons should come out very close.
There is also quite a difference in power between the lvl 99 empyreans and the lvl 90 versions. I understand the 1500 metal plates is brutal, but if he was saying that the lvl 99 OaT crushes a lvl 90 empyrean counterpart then the statement revolves around a weapon nine levels higher than the other. I still don't think it would crush the empy as badly as he says, but logically a lvl 99 weapon typically has higher potential than a lvl 90 weapon because it's, well... nine levels higher.
Rhongomiant lvl 99 -- damage 159, delay 492
Rhongomiant lvl 90 -- damage 132, delay 492
OaT Sixgill lvl 99 -- Damage 119, delay 492
Stingray +2 (lvl 90) -- damage 105, delay 492
Caladbolg lvl 99 -- damage 132 delay 430
Caladbolg lvl 90 -- damage 120 delay 430
OaT Kauriraris lvl 99 -- damage 110, delay 456
Kalavejs +2 (lvl 90) -- damage 98, delay 456
And yes I understand that fSTR plays a part in base damage calculations, so high strength affects each weapon accordingly which does side with the OaT's DoT. Anyway, sorry for the length of this post. Again, if I'm not understanding something I just want some clarification. From what I can tell, the difference between a lvl 90 empy and a 99 OaT appears very similar, and the lvl 99 empyrean looks straight up better than the 99 OaT, even if it does mean vastly larger commitment to obtain. Edited, May 15th 2012 8:59am by Melphina