New 2 Hour AbilitiesFollow

I would happily merit the 2hr to 30 minutes, it would mean doing more BCNM fights in a shorter time period on whatever ones are "essential" to use them on.

Nah, I went and started playing a game where they actually don't give a **** what you show up on. So long as your competent.

Any who, if square more intelligent about what they release before it is released.. And what they actually put it in. It curves the player base idealogy. Yeah there still gonna be people who act like the best that will only be accepted. But if a Dark only does .5% better in a zerg situation then every other job in dding and all the other jobs are a wash. Do you think people would give a **** if they invite a dark or a dancer?

Some 2 hours have sucked, some have been situational, and some have been awesome. I think that is their intent, to incorporate a team element to the game. Which is what mmo's are supposed to be about.

Individually a lot of abilities are terrible. But when used in conjunction with others abilities they become pretty good.

I like some of the abilities, especially the DNC ability, and no the fact that recasts are not reset doesn't up set me. I think that it is a huge damage buff for DNC.

(5 Stack WS, RF, 2HR, Super Chrage WS, WS, RF WS = gross)

Increasing Enahncing Magic is something ive personally desired for RDM, Along with all the increased duration stuff this gives RDM the potential to provide some serious long lasting big effect bonuses. Would you rather 20% haste or 15% haste for 5 minutes type thing.

(Composure + 2 Hour > Buff Party/Self love 5/10 minutes of increased buff power)

The Enmity for black mage is great, the JA is one time use on a long timer, and results in not that much of a benefit, as the BLM can cap hate very quickly. Being able to delay the accumulation over time is better than a static decrease that does not prevent you from recapping as fast as you did.

(2 Hour go for a minute > JA and go at regular pace.)

The BRD ability looks kind of weak, but is it a reduction overall? or just for the Bard?. If it applies to everyone casting spells this ability is huge, and is arguably one of the best deduffing 2 hours in the game...then again if it applies just to the BRD then meh, id use SV for it because 2x buffs > some reduction to mob stats.

(Above splains the pos/neg of it.)

WHM is just awesome IMO better than Benediction. Being able to resist debuffs is an insanely awesome benefit, it is actually so good against some enemies that it borders on broken as @#%^.

(prevent all status ailments.....is broken.)

Edited, Sep 6th 2012 6:15pm by rdmcandie

I wouldn't know. I don't pick my jobs by what's the fad. Nor make decisions in general by what's "Fashionable." The populace's opinion and facts proven there in is important in that consideration. However at the end of the day, when playing a game, it shouldn't keep you from your preferences. So long as it's not hurting the game population at all.

I say shame on people for practicing the act of cookie cutting but how can we blame it with events like Legion and Nyzul Isle out there? If square new Director says he wants to tackle such problems, why should we argue against them becuase the player base has become complacent? Why should I or anyone roll over just becuase some people want to keep their position of artificial leetness and others just accepted the way things are and went with it?

Are you saying players innate bias towards jobs should sway the development team's direction?

Edited, Sep 6th 2012 7:49pm by Laxedrane

Well yeah, if I know I'll need continuous non-physical melee damage for more than 3 minutes, I just bring DRK.

But I find Formless incredibly useful for things like, when I aggro an elemental on my WHM dual box (which happens to be the reason why Invigorate is pointless to me >_>)

I have two jobs at 99 currently. Warrior and Monk. These have always been my main jobs. I've dabbled in others, White Mage for example, Ninja being another. I'm working on NIN at the moment to 99, WHM will follow in short order.

I personally get annoyed when one of my jobs becomes the popular job, and see people playing them badly. That's the only real issue I've ever had with "bandwagon" jobs, though.

Most people will play what is popular, I don't know why people get so defensive about that on forums.

Well, "plenty" is a pretty strong word... Before Embrava, I could identify a lot of the SCHs that I saw running around in PJ, because we were not that many. I guess many more people had SCH leveled but didn't really use it much before the Embrava boom, but SCHs weren't exactly plentiful anyway. After Embrava, and specifically after the introduction of NNI, one could easily confuse whitegate with a university main hall, with all the mortarboards and bonnets around, hahaha.

Seems we agree. Granted "Shouldn't" can be easily misunderstood without more context so let me put more in. The game shouldn't revolve around an "optimum menu"





I didn't realize that "Choice" meant that I want everyone to accept me on the job, play-style, or strategy I want. I simply thought I was making the point that newer content has become so out of control unbalanced it caused a severe highlight in the failings of specific jobs or general game play rules. Because of that I applaud their efforts in attempt to start truly "balance."* So that if you invite any job they bring a reasonable amount of asset to the table comparable to whatever any other jobs assets would bring. Obviously all assets can't be the same however in the end have close to the same value.

It's a tough thing to do this late in the game, and a highly Ideological way of thinking. However I do think it's worthwhile.



*By that I mean actually balance things instead of buffing and nerfing recklessly and saying "It's now balanced." It's a fool errand to believe a game with this many classes in an uncontrollable environment would ever be completely balanced.

While I agree SE does have the power to force player opinions to change they kind of do not either. They are married to balance, and must strive to keep that balance. This is not balance of X could do as good as Y, this is balance that X and Y are different because of Z.



I have to disagree with this here. As someone who always meleed as RDM I never felt like i needed to prove myself, nor did I ever feel that I was ostracized because of the way I chose to play. RDM melee is good for the capacity it works in. It is not a top tier DD because it can do many things that top tier DD's can not. Which is class balance. Similarly it is not as strong a nuker as the big 3 because it has the ability to do other things that they can not.

There is more to creative balance than just giving everyone the same set of tools, on every job and saying ok now go get the best gear! That is what will set you apart. Is that really fun? or is it even MMO worthy. If all jobs are equally capable of performing all aspects of the game what would be the point of having jobs in the first place?

Back in the day we had a great DD called Monk, it was very very strong, except notably weaker DD's like DRG were becoming more and more popular. That is because if you took a trip down to B. Thickets Bird camps the Dragoon would have a higher damage potential do to the targets and the weapons they used. On the other hand we had another strong DD in SAM, who was pitiful against Skeletons in KRT.

So while I agree SE does have the power to outright change the players opinions on certain aspects, those certain aspects must be molded in a way that does not greatly effect the overall balance and symetry of the game, and its "sh*t is situational" mantra. Again going back to RDM (and Ive said this before). Sure SE could buff the crap out of RDM melee, heck they might even do so without nixing its casting side, but then what...now you have yet another DD class that is going to be arguably weaker than any of the others still because of gear set restrictions, of course SE could fix that too and just make RDM the best ever DD the game has ever seen...

But then what do you do when the dozen other jobs who can only DD or play in other frontline capacities are now being out paced by a job that is effective anywhere on the field of play.

Yes some jobs are not popular, perceived as ineffective, or useless, but this has more to do with the game mechanics themselves being designed still with a 75 cap in mind however, from what I have been following SE has begun tweaking the core mechanics of certain things, healing magic, are looking to adjust enfeebling magic, and I am quite sure a slew of others will follow in time.


Edited, Sep 8th 2012 9:12am by rdmcandie