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#77 Aug 02 2012 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good

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jlejeune wrote:

Lady Jinte wrote:

Like rdm melee. Smiley: lol

I fail to see what's so silly about a mechanic that's been a part of the job since literally the first game.

But d00d, FFXI is a generic fantasy MMO meant to pay no homage to its predecessors! Nothing prior matters!

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#78 Aug 02 2012 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent

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cidbahamut wrote:

I banish you to the Red Mage subforum!

You have to recite my True Name first! Ã²_Ã³

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#80 Aug 03 2012 at 4:18 AM Rating: Good

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Lady Jinte wrote:

jlejeune wrote:

Raelix wrote:

Let's face it, RDMs won't stop complaining until they can solo 90% of endgame again.

I don't blame SE for just ignoring them at this point.

No no, not quite, get it right. RDMs are complaining because they're forced to solo 90% of endgame since no one wants to bring them to endgame events. Wanting to be relevant is hardly arrogant.

Most rdms seem to think they deserve tobe overpowered again. I won't deny that SE's completely @#%^ed rdm over lately, and needs to stop that, and fix what it broke, but there are some things that I've seen many rdms demand that are just silly, and aren't worth anything other than a good laugh.

Like rdm melee. Smiley: lol

A RDM that doesn't melee is called a SCH, or did people miss that memo.

Seriously ... SE took everything that made "Pink Mage" and put it into SCH, then they took everything else that "Mage Mode" RDM's did and put it into SCH (nuking / ect..). It even went so far as to give SCH the most powerful enhancing spell in the game.

RDM's melee capability has existed since 2002, SE just screwed it up so badly and refused to do anything to fix it that the players were forced to find something else to do with the job. Healers were so short back then that we used to force SMN's to /WHM and cure, thus anyone with "Cure" and a MP pool was then turned into a healer. It wasn't till much later that "Haste" spam become common and permanently cemented the idea of a RDMs only job being to support DD's. Kind of interesting to see how the community has lied to itself so often that they've become to believe the lie.

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#81 Aug 03 2012 at 4:52 AM Rating: Excellent

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Fun idea,

1. SCH use new 2 hour on a PUP
2. PUP use Ventriloquy
3. PUP use Invincible

30 seconds of freetime for any alliance :D

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#82 Aug 03 2012 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent

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jlejeune wrote:

cidbahamut wrote:

I banish you to the Red Mage subforum!

You have to recite my True Name first! Ã²_Ã³

Oh well, it was worth a try.

Edited, Aug 3rd 2012 10:16am by cidbahamut

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I think RDM's neurotic omniscience is sooooooo worth including in any alliance.

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#83 Aug 03 2012 at 10:58 AM Rating: Excellent

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Reports on BG coming in that the new RDM 2hr lasts for 60 seconds and it improves potency of spells around 50% (Refresh II gave 9mp/tic and haste seemed to sit around 22%)
PLD - Blockrate 100% for 30 seconds and your damage reflected back might be 25% of your shield skill

I can't test right now since I am at work but I will test later.

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#84 Aug 03 2012 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent

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More info starting on this page: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/106679-Test-Server-Findings/page212

Seems like NIN 2hr gives 100% parry and SMN is literally bloodpact spam.

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#85 Aug 03 2012 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good

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saevellakshmi wrote:

Lady Jinte wrote:

jlejeune wrote:

Raelix wrote:

Let's face it, RDMs won't stop complaining until they can solo 90% of endgame again.

I don't blame SE for just ignoring them at this point.

No no, not quite, get it right. RDMs are complaining because they're forced to solo 90% of endgame since no one wants to bring them to endgame events. Wanting to be relevant is hardly arrogant.

Most rdms seem to think they deserve tobe overpowered again. I won't deny that SE's completely @#%^ed rdm over lately, and needs to stop that, and fix what it broke, but there are some things that I've seen many rdms demand that are just silly, and aren't worth anything other than a good laugh.

Like rdm melee. Smiley: lol

A RDM that doesn't melee is called a SCH, or did people miss that memo.

Seriously ... SE took everything that made "Pink Mage" and put it into SCH, then they took everything else that "Mage Mode" RDM's did and put it into SCH (nuking / ect..). It even went so far as to give SCH the most powerful enhancing spell in the game.

RDM's melee capability has existed since 2002, SE just screwed it up so badly and refused to do anything to fix it that the players were forced to find something else to do with the job. Healers were so short back then that we used to force SMN's to /WHM and cure, thus anyone with "Cure" and a MP pool was then turned into a healer. It wasn't till much later that "Haste" spam become common and permanently cemented the idea of a RDMs only job being to support DD's. Kind of interesting to see how the community has lied to itself so often that they've become to believe the lie.

Oh don't get your jimmies all rustled, you should know by now that I just like making fun of rdm melee.

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Reiterpallasch wrote:

Glitterhands wrote:

Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!

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#86 Aug 03 2012 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent

Aliekber

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Lady Jinte wrote:

saevellakshmi wrote:

Lady Jinte wrote:

jlejeune wrote:

Raelix wrote:

Let's face it, RDMs won't stop complaining until they can solo 90% of endgame again.

I don't blame SE for just ignoring them at this point.

No no, not quite, get it right. RDMs are complaining because they're forced to solo 90% of endgame since no one wants to bring them to endgame events. Wanting to be relevant is hardly arrogant.

Most rdms seem to think they deserve tobe overpowered again. I won't deny that SE's completely @#%^ed rdm over lately, and needs to stop that, and fix what it broke, but there are some things that I've seen many rdms demand that are just silly, and aren't worth anything other than a good laugh.

Like rdm melee. Smiley: lol

A RDM that doesn't melee is called a SCH, or did people miss that memo.

Seriously ... SE took everything that made "Pink Mage" and put it into SCH, then they took everything else that "Mage Mode" RDM's did and put it into SCH (nuking / ect..). It even went so far as to give SCH the most powerful enhancing spell in the game.

RDM's melee capability has existed since 2002, SE just screwed it up so badly and refused to do anything to fix it that the players were forced to find something else to do with the job. Healers were so short back then that we used to force SMN's to /WHM and cure, thus anyone with "Cure" and a MP pool was then turned into a healer. It wasn't till much later that "Haste" spam become common and permanently cemented the idea of a RDMs only job being to support DD's. Kind of interesting to see how the community has lied to itself so often that they've become to believe the lie.

Oh don't get your jimmies all rustled, you should know by now that I just like ~~making fun of rdm melee.~~ riling up anyone who will let me, for lulz.

More accurate.

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#87 Aug 03 2012 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent

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Aliekber wrote:

Lady Jinte wrote:

saevellakshmi wrote:

Lady Jinte wrote:

jlejeune wrote:

Raelix wrote:

Let's face it, RDMs won't stop complaining until they can solo 90% of endgame again.

I don't blame SE for just ignoring them at this point.

No no, not quite, get it right. RDMs are complaining because they're forced to solo 90% of endgame since no one wants to bring them to endgame events. Wanting to be relevant is hardly arrogant.

Most rdms seem to think they deserve tobe overpowered again. I won't deny that SE's completely @#%^ed rdm over lately, and needs to stop that, and fix what it broke, but there are some things that I've seen many rdms demand that are just silly, and aren't worth anything other than a good laugh.

Like rdm melee. Smiley: lol

A RDM that doesn't melee is called a SCH, or did people miss that memo.

Seriously ... SE took everything that made "Pink Mage" and put it into SCH, then they took everything else that "Mage Mode" RDM's did and put it into SCH (nuking / ect..). It even went so far as to give SCH the most powerful enhancing spell in the game.

RDM's melee capability has existed since 2002, SE just screwed it up so badly and refused to do anything to fix it that the players were forced to find something else to do with the job. Healers were so short back then that we used to force SMN's to /WHM and cure, thus anyone with "Cure" and a MP pool was then turned into a healer. It wasn't till much later that "Haste" spam become common and permanently cemented the idea of a RDMs only job being to support DD's. Kind of interesting to see how the community has lied to itself so often that they've become to believe the lie.

Oh don't get your jimmies all rustled, you should know by now that I just like ~~making fun of rdm melee.~~ riling up anyone who will let me, for lulz.

More accurate.

well, I do enjoy that, but I actually get a lot of amusement out of making fun of rdm melee, riling up or not, even when I use math to demonstrate why it's not something to bother with (ie: rdm will never be an acceptable melee DD, you guys just need to accept this. Math doesn't lie.)

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Reiterpallasch wrote:

Glitterhands wrote:

Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!

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#88 Aug 03 2012 at 1:27 PM Rating: Excellent

Aliekber

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Lady Jinte wrote:

well, I do enjoy that, but I actually get a lot of amusement out of making fun of rdm melee, riling up or not, even when I use math to demonstrate why it's not something to bother with (ie: rdm will never be an acceptable melee DD, you guys just need to accept this. Math doesn't lie.)

Personally, I only wanted RDM to be acceptable on the frontline during XP/merits, and since it works in noob solo, GoV, and Abyssea (i.e. you can melee your way to 99 if you so choose, most alliance leaders are just glad you're not AFK), I'm happy with where it is now. I even have a shiny Almace to CDC stuff if I feel like it.

In endgame, it's not going to compete, but that's why I have BLU PLD NIN DRG (and my terrible THF, which I don't list in my sig because it's pathetic and only used for TH); if I want to get in a mob's face in endgame. Not like there's a lot of reason to bring RDM to endgame these days anyway, since I have SCH WHM and BLM.

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Human (?) females look ugly.

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#89 Aug 03 2012 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent

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Aliekber wrote:

Lady Jinte wrote:

well, I do enjoy that, but I actually get a lot of amusement out of making fun of rdm melee, riling up or not, even when I use math to demonstrate why it's not something to bother with (ie: rdm will never be an acceptable melee DD, you guys just need to accept this. Math doesn't lie.)

Personally, I only wanted RDM to be acceptable on the frontline during XP/merits, and since it works in noob solo, GoV, and Abyssea (i.e. you can melee your way to 99 if you so choose, most alliance leaders are just glad you're not AFK), I'm happy with where it is now. I even have a shiny Almace to CDC stuff if I feel like it.

In endgame, it's not going to compete, but that's why I have BLU PLD NIN DRG (and my terrible THF, which I don't list in my sig because it's pathetic and only used for TH); if I want to get in a mob's face in endgame. Not like there's a lot of reason to bring RDM to endgame these days anyway, since I have SCH WHM and BLM.

That's kind of what I mean. I keep seeing rdms talking like they should be able to use rdm to melee endgame stuff, which is just stupid. Smiley: lol

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Reiterpallasch wrote:

Glitterhands wrote:

Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!

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