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You're trying to do Dominion ops #13 off the Fear Dearg in Abyssea - Altepa Desert, only to have the person running a Fell Cleave camp for under leveled mules. Runs on-to your mobs and either using fell cleave next to you or casting -aga. Then runs back to the mule camp and calles you a thief for taking their mobs and that they were there first.

I normally farm 4 to 5 (my solo limit) at a time per Dominion ops mostly for the notes, seal and/or the skill up I'm getting on parry. Normaly I don't care as every Afk at the conflux can't do squat in game once they cap off. However lately I'm seeing mule parties there whining more about other people farming or kiling the same mobs and how it's cutting into their curor/gill/exp/hr (whatever they charge for a slot). Last night the jerk was actually complaining that I was stealing his mobs when he came right to me (even on the other side near the ??? NM) and either used some spell-aga, provoke or Fell Cleave on what I was already fighting or pulling back to avoid unwanted links. Then he continues to run around the oasis to s/i agro whatever is still there, and complain more when I try to get any of them back.

Much as I miss the days when people tried to avoid catching the train in places like garlaige citadel, or the Jungle. I do wish I could just take every afk there on the goblin express and shut the whole thing down. I remember seeing somthing similar some where else about that spot in Aby- Altepa. But seriously on my prior ops farms nobody made a deal about it; as what's 5 mandys out of the whole lot there. The majority of their exp comes from the chests anyway, and that many mobs in one area were not put there for one person to hoard for themselves.

I don't know how annoying this is getting across servers or if it's even a problem in some places. As I undetstand there may have been somthing like this way, way, back where folks were trying to sell similar serivces prior to the Abyssea add-on's. However, does anyone else have any similar stories or encountered these types of prople. How would/did you go about dealing this these types of players. Or simply what are you finding annoying as of late within the game itself.

Edited, Aug 25th 2012 6:26pm by akudama

Edited, Aug 25th 2012 6:30pm by akudama

Pull Emperador de Aletpa to their camp, CFH and watch as they all die to 10'000 needles spam.

I wouldnt do that. Thats more then likely get you sent to jail.

When people do this to me I switch to blm and deliberately -ja their mobs once they're down far enough that i can kill in 1 shot. Yes mobs u don't have claim on are technically not your mobs, but you don't go around in a grocery store taking things out of other people's carts do you?

Anyways, the people who do this on Lakshmi are 95% of the time RMT who charge people to sit there afk while they cleave for hours on end. That's even more incentive to steal their mobs. Yes legitimate players probably paid them, but boo hoo. They know it's an RMT doing it and they don't care as long as they can get leveled while they sleep. It's almost the same thing as paying cash for power leveling services.

Fact is, those points do work. Getting butthurt because I contradicted you is sad at best. Since you seem to care so much, let me elaborate further. Mobs don't take 5 minutes to re-spawn in abyssea. At most, 3 because they're all up again by the time I'm finished destroying chests which have a 180 second time limit. Maybe someone takes items out of your cart at the store and it takes you 2-3 minutes to walk back to where you got it and get another one. I don't claim it to be a perfect example, just an example.

The second part being "lol-worthy" because of what? Is it cool to buy gil on ffxi now? Back in 2007 before I quit for a while it was still heavily frowned upon. Giving RMT that which they sell, is in fact, nearly the same thing as paying them cash to power level your character for you.

While that excuse might get you off the hook once, it certainly will not work multiple times. You'd still get your *** banned.

For the people advocating ******** up leech parties by running NMs into them or killing off all the monsters before they can pull any, recognize that you are not harming the RMTs through these actions. RMTs (if they are indeed running these parties, and I grant you that this is probably the case for most parties) will always ask for payment before they invite you. As a result you are really only harming the players who paid for a spot in the party.

There is several inherent risk of engaging in the party for gil business; firstly it may be a complete scam, secondly you or the people running the party might D/C and be unable to return or regroup, thirdly you might have your party harassed by self-righteous vigilantes who think they're actually hurting the RMT through their actions, and finally you have no guarantees. The leech party leaders do not care about whether you get x amount of experience or x amount of cruor. They will keep to their "contract" only because they know that they'd never get business again if they do not. However, the "contract" only extends to keeping you in their party for a prescribed amount of time and attempting to kill as many enemies as possible. If they are unable to kill enemies because there are no enemies to kill, then it's too bad so sad.

If you disagree with the concept of the party for gil business, or don't want to risk paying RMTs, then don't join one.
You're disagreement with either groups does not give you the moral right (naturally you have the right to pull all the enemies by the game rules as does anyone else) to punish players who wish to risk their gil to engage in them.



Edited, Aug 25th 2012 6:23pm by Teiei

Read the whole post next time, and don't quote out of context just so you can soapbox about it.

Our obvious RMT guy on Siren is a decent enough dude to not resort to this. I just thought it was funny you could be apologetic and helpful while still ******** the leeches over, which is why I wasn't totally afk when I hopped in once.

It really is a shame that there isn't more than one group of mobs in a zone. They should do something about that.

Edited, Aug 25th 2012 9:22pm by zellbaca

I'd say your options are:
1. Pull one at a time. Maybe they won't give you a hard time about that. At least they can't "steal your mobs" that way.
2. Treat them the way they treat you. Go to war with them if they're jerks. Respect them if they respect you.
3. Find a new OP to do. Unless things have changed drastically, there are plenty of mob types that cleavers don't kill.

Trust me I understand why people fight them, but as usual with FFXI there's not enough of X to go around. Someone's going to have to bite the bullet and go elsewhere and/or accept less than optimum conditions. SE's never going to un-limit our available resources or do anything more than what they did with Abyssea to try to alleviate conflict between players. They obviously want us getting in each others' way so that our progress is slowed. They're the ones we should really be frustrated with here rather than cleavers, skill-up soloers, or Dynamis BSTs or whoever the villain du jour is. Those other players are just trying to optimize the use of their time, the same as the rest of us. SE is the only one who can fix or adjust things. The best we can do is either try to coexist as much as the game allows us to or go to war with each other over everything.