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YEs, it's a lot of words.
Take a break. Rest your eyes. You'll thank me later.
Take a break. Rest your eyes. You'll thank me later.
Good post.
Unfortunately, probably only about 25% of the people that play FFXI actually read these message boards. No matter how well you explain this, you are still preaching to the choir.
The best method is you make sure and build your own parties. Explain to people what you are doing when you invite them (they hav the option to leave rather than ***** the entire time). Then take your party to a place where you will be fighting mostly VT mobs, and low level IT's.
The only problem with this is that you may need a new camp once a couple of people level and the mobs are Tough.
Unfortunately, probably only about 25% of the people that play FFXI actually read these message boards. No matter how well you explain this, you are still preaching to the choir.
The best method is you make sure and build your own parties. Explain to people what you are doing when you invite them (they hav the option to leave rather than ***** the entire time). Then take your party to a place where you will be fighting mostly VT mobs, and low level IT's.
The only problem with this is that you may need a new camp once a couple of people level and the mobs are Tough.
^^^
Thanks.
Yep, thats a downside, but a small one. Dungons were designed to amp, based on levels. Once things are T to VT, you can still chain, untill things hit T, then go a little deeper, and low and behold, there's some VT mobs. :P
Thanks.
Yep, thats a downside, but a small one. Dungons were designed to amp, based on levels. Once things are T to VT, you can still chain, untill things hit T, then go a little deeper, and low and behold, there's some VT mobs. :P
I'd guess the people who have "Big number syndrome", while like seeing big numbers, won't be too excited to see big posts.
I agree with you 100%... I for one don;t care about getting a lot of EXp as long as I'm having fun doing it.
Very well written "essay"... I give an A+. Congratulations!!
Very well written "essay"... I give an A+. Congratulations!!
Yeah, it is my understanding that this is the reasoning behind most bones parties. Of course there is the whole, MNKs ******** bones, thing... but in most occassions, the bones are VT to IT-. The idea is quick chains with minimal damage.
Only problem is, in most parties, Tanks can't hold hate as well on VTs, at least that's my experience. Once **** gets VT, I((a monk if you couldn't tell)) yanks hate very often, mostly on WSs, but still.
peace,
CR
Edited, Thu May 12 14:44:57 2005 by Roin
Only problem is, in most parties, Tanks can't hold hate as well on VTs, at least that's my experience. Once **** gets VT, I((a monk if you couldn't tell)) yanks hate very often, mostly on WSs, but still.
peace,
CR
Edited, Thu May 12 14:44:57 2005 by Roin
Rate Up. It is so true too.
I have tried to do this as much as possible when I am puller or leader and can influence the PT towards this. In Kahzam a week or so ago, we where getting Chain 3s and nice XP per hour (considering only Chain 3) on VT Mandies in the First jungle instead of moving to second. Why? Because there where no healers LFG so we had a Hume BRD healing and a 5 person PT. However, we where able to PT and have fun in a situation that would stop a lot of PTs from doing anything (no healer).
A long time back, as a BRD I PTed in a Party against VT low IT Damesflies in Gustav Tunnel with another 5 person PT. Our WHM had to leave after a while, so we bacame party of 5 with BRD and BLM healers. No problem whatsoever when fighting VT-IT. Even with XP chains.
I have tried to do this as much as possible when I am puller or leader and can influence the PT towards this. In Kahzam a week or so ago, we where getting Chain 3s and nice XP per hour (considering only Chain 3) on VT Mandies in the First jungle instead of moving to second. Why? Because there where no healers LFG so we had a Hume BRD healing and a 5 person PT. However, we where able to PT and have fun in a situation that would stop a lot of PTs from doing anything (no healer).
A long time back, as a BRD I PTed in a Party against VT low IT Damesflies in Gustav Tunnel with another 5 person PT. Our WHM had to leave after a while, so we bacame party of 5 with BRD and BLM healers. No problem whatsoever when fighting VT-IT. Even with XP chains.
I can't add anything else to what you have said or compliment anymore than what has already been done. Just wanted to say great post and rate ^
Whew, a lot to read but it was well worth it.
One of the phrases I use in a party situation is:
5x50 > 1x200
When your party can mow through T/VT in "minutes", why spend "hours" trying to kill just one IT++ mob. We need more players to understand this concept. Some, I'm afraid, will never get it.
Case it point: Yesterday, I ran around Yhoater and Yuhtunga Jungles completing quests and making supply runs. I am 34WHM/17BLM. I could not believe all the T and VT Goblins/Mandies running around. A party of 34's could easily earn another level or two.
Kiptaru
One of the phrases I use in a party situation is:
5x50 > 1x200
When your party can mow through T/VT in "minutes", why spend "hours" trying to kill just one IT++ mob. We need more players to understand this concept. Some, I'm afraid, will never get it.
Case it point: Yesterday, I ran around Yhoater and Yuhtunga Jungles completing quests and making supply runs. I am 34WHM/17BLM. I could not believe all the T and VT Goblins/Mandies running around. A party of 34's could easily earn another level or two.
Kiptaru
Good post.
Firstly, just because I'm such a *****: The gigas in Upper Delkfutt's actually have pet bats, not leeches.
Just to relate a story of this working: I was invited to a party headed for Bibiki Bay at level 70. At that level you're 'supposed' to only fight the Anglers (the highest level gobbies in the zone). Instead the party, which consisted mostly of level 72s set up camp in the middle of the dhalmels.
What's going on here? I was exping off these like four levels ago, and everyone else is two levels higher than me! ZOMG THEY R TEH VT!!
*ahem* Long story short, we utterly raped them. There was simply no downtime (helped by having both a RDM and BRD). I don't just mean "we didn't have to rest long" - I mean I, as the BLM, virtually never rested during the chain. Our Light SC + MB would take off about 80% of a dhalmel's life - if we timed it right this basically gave us a free chain #5.
Exp was pretty good, but for me not amazing, as I suffered from the level gap. However it was undoubtedly very fun just tearing through mobs, and the time flew by much faster than it would have with the long rest times between IT++s.
Firstly, just because I'm such a *****: The gigas in Upper Delkfutt's actually have pet bats, not leeches.
Just to relate a story of this working: I was invited to a party headed for Bibiki Bay at level 70. At that level you're 'supposed' to only fight the Anglers (the highest level gobbies in the zone). Instead the party, which consisted mostly of level 72s set up camp in the middle of the dhalmels.
What's going on here? I was exping off these like four levels ago, and everyone else is two levels higher than me! ZOMG THEY R TEH VT!!
*ahem* Long story short, we utterly raped them. There was simply no downtime (helped by having both a RDM and BRD). I don't just mean "we didn't have to rest long" - I mean I, as the BLM, virtually never rested during the chain. Our Light SC + MB would take off about 80% of a dhalmel's life - if we timed it right this basically gave us a free chain #5.
Exp was pretty good, but for me not amazing, as I suffered from the level gap. However it was undoubtedly very fun just tearing through mobs, and the time flew by much faster than it would have with the long rest times between IT++s.
nice job ^^ and very well written. couldnt have said it better!
I wanted to do this so I was going to use the ffxi.somepage mob search function but I do not how many levels above me a mob must be to check as VT.
This is a really good strategy, and I used it myself in Gustav Tunnel at level 60, instead of trying to fight raptors and perytons in the Valley of Sorrows.
The problem with it comes as soon as another party shows up. Because you're killing the mobs so quickly, you either need mobs with incredibly short repop times, or a lot of mobs. Either way, as soon as you add a second (or, heaven forbid, a third) party in the same area, the xp has a tendency to drop off extremely fast, as you find yourself with nothing to pull after your second chain 2.
The problem with it comes as soon as another party shows up. Because you're killing the mobs so quickly, you either need mobs with incredibly short repop times, or a lot of mobs. Either way, as soon as you add a second (or, heaven forbid, a third) party in the same area, the xp has a tendency to drop off extremely fast, as you find yourself with nothing to pull after your second chain 2.
one of the best and most refreshing posts I've read in a long time. I'm at level 53 now and am sick to death of the robber crab pts in kuftal tunnel. I keep telling people, lets go to Quicksand and mass chain MOBS for more exp, but no one ever listens to me =( It's sad that everyone is so set on seeing the large numbers, and I just wish that EVERYONE could see this post and realize that maybe killing VT- low IT is better than IT+++++++++. Thanks, and rate up! ^^
Nobody ever wants to do this. I wish we could get the word out.
In your Upper Delkfuuts Tower Idea you forgot to mention pulling time, and eventual lack of mobs to pull if there is more than one party there.
This should be stickied, and emailed to everyone's pol email address by SE.
lol, i find it funny how the math got done so badly on this. 175 xp in 5 min? come on, make some real numbers to support your argument, even the most crappy of pt make more xp then that.
fighting IT+ mobs usually nets 200 xp every 1 and a half min. one chain to c5 gets you 1200 xp, and takes around 10 min, plus a downtime of 60 to 90 seconds after chain. this method makes 4.5k to 6k an hour.
im not gonna try and say that chaining VT doesnt make good xp, but to make more then 6k an hour you need to make chain 7 or higher consistantly. lv75 commonly xp on VT weapons, and the pt that make over 7k an hour usually make chain 8 or higher consistantly. my point being that chaining VT at mid levels will at best make the same xp per hour as chaining IT+. being that it can make the same xp, some people may like xp on VT better, but its certainly not some superior way to xp at lower levels. (and of corse there are exceptions, iv had several pt chaining IT+ that made 7k an hour, but that has to do with how well your pt is set up and how well equiped everyone is)
also, chaining VT causes a problem with lack of mobs in most areas. you can go to delkfutts at 60+ and chain VT there, and every mob dies in under 45 seconds, but then you kill all 10 jotunn on the 11th and 12th floors in 7 minutes, and realize they take over 10 min to respawn. your left sitting and waiting on repops for 3 or 4 min, or fighting EM bats for next to no xp. god help you if theres another pt there, then you might get 7 of the 10 pops, which will all be dead in about 5 min, leaving you waiting another 5 min for repops.
in my expirance, how good xp is depends more on how many other pt there are in the area pulling mobs from the same place you are. if bibiki bay is packed full of pt, but moon only has 1 pt your lvl, then moon is gonna make more xp even though the mobs take longer to kill, simpley because you never have to stand around waiting for a mob to pop.
fighting IT+ mobs usually nets 200 xp every 1 and a half min. one chain to c5 gets you 1200 xp, and takes around 10 min, plus a downtime of 60 to 90 seconds after chain. this method makes 4.5k to 6k an hour.
im not gonna try and say that chaining VT doesnt make good xp, but to make more then 6k an hour you need to make chain 7 or higher consistantly. lv75 commonly xp on VT weapons, and the pt that make over 7k an hour usually make chain 8 or higher consistantly. my point being that chaining VT at mid levels will at best make the same xp per hour as chaining IT+. being that it can make the same xp, some people may like xp on VT better, but its certainly not some superior way to xp at lower levels. (and of corse there are exceptions, iv had several pt chaining IT+ that made 7k an hour, but that has to do with how well your pt is set up and how well equiped everyone is)
also, chaining VT causes a problem with lack of mobs in most areas. you can go to delkfutts at 60+ and chain VT there, and every mob dies in under 45 seconds, but then you kill all 10 jotunn on the 11th and 12th floors in 7 minutes, and realize they take over 10 min to respawn. your left sitting and waiting on repops for 3 or 4 min, or fighting EM bats for next to no xp. god help you if theres another pt there, then you might get 7 of the 10 pops, which will all be dead in about 5 min, leaving you waiting another 5 min for repops.
in my expirance, how good xp is depends more on how many other pt there are in the area pulling mobs from the same place you are. if bibiki bay is packed full of pt, but moon only has 1 pt your lvl, then moon is gonna make more xp even though the mobs take longer to kill, simpley because you never have to stand around waiting for a mob to pop.
ya like you said DD's can actually get a reliable hit % off vt mobs which makes Rng's less godly.. if everyone would do this then DD's would never have to wait 10 hours just for one party..
/sigh.. but that'll never happen
/sigh.. but that'll never happen
oh there are exceptions to everything, and that is especially true for level 75's, and packed areas. LOW IT and VT- to VT+ are usually right in the sweet spot.
You should simply do a region /sea before you go out to party, and pick a place that is not so populated.
There are reasons why this dosent work in some places, and that's mostly because of people being excessively shortsighted and lazy to pick a leveling spot.
For example, some other places to level at 56-61 other then Cape terrigan and valley?
Davoi
Castle Oztroja
Upper delfuts tower
Gustav Tunnel
Misereaux Coast
Sea serpant Grotto
....
I'm sure you can think of more
Are most of those camped? I would say, umm... never.
You should simply do a region /sea before you go out to party, and pick a place that is not so populated.
There are reasons why this dosent work in some places, and that's mostly because of people being excessively shortsighted and lazy to pick a leveling spot.
For example, some other places to level at 56-61 other then Cape terrigan and valley?
Davoi
Castle Oztroja
Upper delfuts tower
Gustav Tunnel
Misereaux Coast
Sea serpant Grotto
....
I'm sure you can think of more
Are most of those camped? I would say, umm... never.
oh, and the math is directly from the party, the parser, and here or there, and I actually UPPED the time I had got from the parser to be FAIR.
Btw: we did clear the room. Several times. There WAS another party there, but the mobs popped so fast that there was one popping for each party as we killed it. full chain 5s, every time.
I wouldent go somewhere to level with 18 people my level in it, especially if the zone is small.
Btw: we did clear the room. Several times. There WAS another party there, but the mobs popped so fast that there was one popping for each party as we killed it. full chain 5s, every time.
I wouldent go somewhere to level with 18 people my level in it, especially if the zone is small.
I completly agree with you here. I've been in all typs of partys. Oh coarse the partys where we can chain IT++ with little are no downtime are definitly my favorite but they are rare. I'd much rather chain VT an T with no downtime then one IT++ even if that mob gives us 285xp (and yes, I was n a party where we fought IT that gave us 285xp but the downtime was horrible!) One of the best partys I was in was actually in the Tree fighting steelshells. The only reason we went there was because the bay was way overcrowded and there weren't any partys in the tree. Steelshells were only T and VT but we killed them amazenly fast. Add in a few of the roaming goobues and xp was better then 95% of all the partys I've been in. I even ended up leveling that night. (Got like 25K xp in that party)
Unfortunatly most people seem to believe that unless you can fight IT then the party sucks. So they fight IT, have a long downtime and xp may look nice at 200+ per mob but 200+ with long downtime adds up to terrible hourly xp.
Unfortunatly most people seem to believe that unless you can fight IT then the party sucks. So they fight IT, have a long downtime and xp may look nice at 200+ per mob but 200+ with long downtime adds up to terrible hourly xp.
The thing is, if you do a little research, a la beastmaster, or this site, you can find a place that has a ton of mobs and know their exact level range. Killer mushrooms, nest beetles and doom scorpions are all the same level in crawler's nest, yet you see 3-4 parties competing over the same 5 beetles, totally ignoring the scorpions. Soldier cralwers have a max level of only 2 higher than the scorpions and beetles, but they get avoided as well. An alternative to the crawlers nest at the same level would be west altepa fighting desert beetles, antican retiarius and antican eques. This zone is empty. Another rather unexplored zone by anyone except us fearless beastmasters, is yhoator jungle. You can fight the courls, goblins and if you are ******* nuts you can fight the tonberry, at the very same level as the nest beetles.
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In your Upper Delkfuuts Tower Idea you forgot to mention pulling time, and eventual lack of mobs to pull if there is more than one party there.
DID YOU ACTUALLY READ IT?!
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