Taj hacks 9 accounts, steals millionsFollow

Did you ever pass the reading comprehension classes in high school?

As much as they were dumb for pming the info and not deleting the pm's they did not ask for it. The info was not readily available there was no post, which could be seen by a multitude of people. He had to hack into private messages and search for it, which to be honest he didn't know was there unless, someone in the linkshell was working with him.




He is not going to jail, he isn't that big of a threat to be honest. Secondly he really did not break the law this second time. Arguably didn't break the law the first time, seeing it was only email and he did nothing with his personal info (that we know of)




You think this is the first time he has hacked? This is why he is on the team, he was able to "hack" his way on atomos. They knew he wasn't clean the whole time and fyi 95% chance this is not his first time.



To be honest, I use to support Taj even stood up for him per say before all the info came out. He would have kept them had he not been caught even with the trail, in my opinion. It is a game to him, he doesn't care about work because when s-e pulls the plug our your plug its all gone anyways.




It was his work as well. Just so you know windower is a hack of ffxi, so without his hacking skills your windower =/= exist.

The thing even if "busted"... I am not sure anything would change.

As someone said, people will still go to Taj for the update infos. The only way to stop Taj is people don't play hypocrisy in hacking and cheating in the game. People even spend RL bucks "donations" to get the latest tool for their Ridills... Think about that.

I think it is insane that Taj thought that financialy ruining "gil buyers" was a good idea. Way to go Taj... way to encourage them to buy more gil from RMT. Woot, mission successful

Now to go change all my passwords just so I feel safer.

Read my first few posts where I point out how dumb it was to trust the system. I just don't feel that I must repeat my self in every post. Most people that debate on these threads, I would hope can retain the knowledge from post to post.




This can be said about any skill. I go to EMT school, I have the knowledge to save people or inflict pain upon someone. Now I can misuse it or use it for good, regardless of intent I can skill damage someone with the best of intentions, the outcome is truly the thing people remember most.



I believe he has been there a decent amount of time, if any of the original authors are around they could clear it up. This has nothing to do with windower other than his lose ties to the project.

I'm not even convinced you understood what I meant by the post of mine you quoted. I definitely am convinced that you are a very angry little thing.

Also, however irresponsible somebody may be for sharing their account info with trusted friends, it certainly doesn't justify them having their accounts hijacked and stolen from. What is odd about your post is that after having said that these people are so stupid they deserve to be hacked, you then said:



Make up your mind, mate. Possibly calm down, too.

I went to work today, just as this thread began. I was intrigued by the title, I started wading through the 25 pages or god knows how long it was but didn't read enough to get the entire picture and, as such, did not want to comment prematurely on something without getting complete story. I thought to myself however, some how, some way, as black and white as it is, this will get turned into a debate.

This time there was no provocation, there was no justification, there was no ambiguity, there was only an individual who did something hurtful to people that did not deserve it. The only question that remained was, what was the argument going to be about?

Of course it was obvious, I should have seen it, the argument generated on the victims (perceived) negligence.

Whether or not the parties victimized were negligent or not, it is irrelevant to the morality of the perpetrator's action.

Don't get me wrong, there were many people in this side-argument that handled it very well, I would have done the same as many of you, some even tried to get the focus back on the main issue but...

Rimesume, you could have ended that debate so long ago and saved so much unneccessary and pointless arguing so discussion about the actual issue could take place.

Whether they are negligent is debatable, whether they are RESPONSIBLE is not. I do try and remain objective but I am frustrated that Rimesume would transform the entire thread discussion from the immorality of the protaganist to the debatable negligence of the victims. And then you post this, like a buried nugget (idk why no one commented on it)...



This is such a limited perspective, you are only seeing what your instinct and society has planted in your head, you aren't using your brain to see past what is accepted. You speak of digital pictures and language characters so I assume you are trying to be technical? Okay, let's do it properly.



Some people don't do the wrong things out of morality, others out of fear of reprisal, don't get the two confused.

One of the things that really sh*ts me off, but also that I find the most intriging on this website is all the justification for clearly immoral actions.

Many people very much take the attitude of:



Here's a priceless one:



It is blatantly obvious what this Taj clown did was wrong, and purely out of the human instinct to attempt to prove his self worth and the desire to gain the attention of others.

No one has the balls to come out and say otherwise and justify Taj's actions, because due to the internet's popularity, even people's pseudonyms are valuable to them and as such, there would be some form of conseqence. Instead, it appears some people would rather nibble at the edges and poke at it with a stick.

Edit: this took me some time to write, I am probably breaking up the current argument

2nd edit: FYI, I, personally, would not give out my account information. But that is beside the issue.


Edited, Sep 27th 2007 2:04pm by kechup

Also in Windower site:

LL's author is Taj, does that mean LL users need to be careful only?

Gaming =/= Real life.

4 years of gaming was not ruined at all, if it had been the Aegis and Annihilator would have been dropped. Taj would have not given all the items back. No I am not defending his actions but alot of what is being said is over the top. No disrespect to you Blacktuesday, if the aegis and annihilator was dropped this would be a whole different story all together.

No disrespect taken. I'm just saying, if it had happened to me, me losing even just my buyable gear would be a major hit to my happiness, particularly in game, so you (not you in particular sevifrit, i mean people in general), shouldn't decide that, "Ok, Taj was ok cause those people can get stuff back, it didn't ruin their life."

You should be thinking "Is it ok for someone else to decide what to do with your stuff." Anyone who tries to change that argument here is trying to help Taj dodge the bullet imo.

This is too funny Taj has gone from hero to zero in no time flat. Hope this is a lesson learned to as how people should be wary when supporting unethical people who only truly carry out their own agendas. Some of the worst people in history are reveled as heros by the masses only to be found out that it was the point of their agenda to bolster support for their own ego purposes.

I can say until now i had no feeling one way or another about taj. In fact I was skeptical at best about his motives. Now though I know all he is a emo teen. Hope you taj lovers haven't had your hearts broken too much. Otherwise LOL really LOL.

Regardless of this incident, what Taj did uncover was good. The means to his discovery were not to be applauded, most of BG if this is who you are referring to also discouraged the means of which the information was required.

Means are not always proper to uncover any information, as one who supported Taj's info he gave us I was on the side the hacking was not right, I was let down he would do something this retarded but he wanted to get caught for some reason.



I am in the same camp, I just lost my mule account last week. Shared with a friend who is overseas atm. The information was on his computer, his sister downloaded everything our mule account and his main account are gone, as well as various personal information of his. I lost 15,500 in currency for aegis, and about 35M in gil. He lost everything, was/am I mad/pissed/upset yes I am.

Even tho Taj did give things back I am not in the camp saying it was ok, I think Taj ****** up. I am not going to support him, but also not going to write him off either. He has given the community alot, so I am willing to not write him off completely but not willing to go to bat for him either.

Sadly there is no bullet. This is the internet, he could make a whole new character and just walk away, or get lost in the server transfers. There will be no legal action. He was already removed from BG Wiki, irc, and his linkshell.






You could not sue Taj for anything he has done to those accounts. You do not own nor have any rights with those accounts. They are property of Square-Enix. People have attempted to sue over a video game and some have won in from other MMO's, I can cite some if needed. The way FFXI's policy is written you can not sue anyone over an account or any work put into them, i.e. why they can't be sold on ebay.

lol this reminds me of the beginning of BoF III. Three unsuspecting youths follow the mountaineer Bunyan's advice and take down the Nue. They are praised as heroes. Now a shady figure asks them for their next big deed. And they go to take down the tax-hiking mayor. They take him down, but are not praised as heroes, they are instead shunned, and ultimately left for dead.

Damn, now I want to play BoF III again XD

Just wanted to clear up the common misconception about Taj getting update info out fairly quickly. You can download any update the moment the server goes down and pretty much have a congestion free download leaving more time to .DAT mine information while everyone else is waiting for the <Check Version> button to appear. Trust me, it isn't a hack. You can even do it on a PS2.