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Noob question: what is tanking? more in post 16 & 36Follow

#1 Jan 05 2008 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
I checked the stickies and i even searched for tanking in them but nothing came up so im just wondering what it is...

also I ordered my game and it should arrive on the 12th =D

EDIT: Added questions in post 16

Edited, Jan 5th 2008 6:33pm by Hokokaru

Edited, Jan 7th 2008 7:59pm by Hokokaru
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#3 Jan 05 2008 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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The tank is the person holding the monsters attention. Tanks get beat on so the rest of the group is safe. Bad tanks let groups die.
#4 Jan 05 2008 at 1:12 PM Rating: Default


Edit: I misread. Tanking is where one person holds he monster so the other party members don't get hit.

If you've played Final Fantasy X, Auron had Provoke if I remember right to hold the monsters attention. It's very similar to that.

Edited, Jan 5th 2008 1:14pm by UltKnightGrover

Edited, Jan 7th 2008 5:09am by UltKnightGrover
#5 Jan 05 2008 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
Taking is when a designated party member [known as a "tank"] (usually a Paladin or a Ninja) keeps the monsters attention (meaning that only the tank will get hit.)

This prevents monsters from swinging away and killing the squishy mages, or other less-defensive melee jobs.
#6 Jan 05 2008 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
oh ok cuz im reading the boards and i got kinda mixed answers off of the things because it sounded like people were doing major damage or taking major damage so i just thought i'd know before i did something stupid
#7 Jan 05 2008 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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Monk can also tank 1-30ish.
#8 Jan 05 2008 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
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UltKnightGrover wrote:
PLDs and NINs tank at the higher levels.

At lower levels (1-25 ish)

WAR and PLD tank.

Ninjas cannot tank until level 37 because of their lack of Utsusemi: Ni.

Edit: I misread. Tanking is where one person holds he monster so the other party members don't get hit.

If you've played Final Fantasy X, Auron had Provoke if I remember right to hold the monsters attention. It's very similar to that.


id just like to fix this a bit...

NIN can start tanking at lvl 12 because they then get access to Utsusemi: Ichi. no its not really the best tank until 37, but it can be done. preferablly if a party can take down a mob pretty quickly.

2 nin tanks should have very little trouble with only ichi. but of course getting 2 nins isnt the easiest thing in the world at low levels. at 24, a nin and a war could dual tank.

Edited, Jan 5th 2008 6:02pm by Keysofgaruda
#9 Jan 05 2008 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Anything can tank pre-30 that uses moderately heavy armor.

2 nins, 2 wars a pld or 2 sams are viable tank options up until around level 32-33.

Post 33 your gonna want a more defined tank unless you enjoy downtime galore. Camping VTs is always better for a non-defined tank due to the fact you wont be getting raped by whatever is being exped on.

Dancers are also a tank option BUT, you need to have competent players who will tank and not just 'say' they will. 2 dancers can tank moderately before 33 as well as Blue Mages using cocoons and /war.

Once your around 35, your gonna want a defined tank like a NIN or PLD or WAR to hold hate though having an offtank like a DNC or SAM isnt a bad idea. It generally comes down to what the heck your fighting.

Something that hits slow can be tanked alot better by a nin than something hitting really fast with double-attacks. TP moves are something to factor in for who tanks what well also.
#10 Jan 05 2008 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
In addition to what others have said, an expression commonly used in game, at least on my server, is Meat Shield - its the same as a tank :) Just thought I'd add that, confused the bejeezus out of me when I first started :)
#11 Jan 05 2008 at 4:38 PM Rating: Good
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The best advice I can give a noob is that if your the only tank in the party then use provoke every 30 seconds through the entire fight. Provoke wont give you the most hate, it gives you more hate and you have to build that hate to maintain the creatures attention on you. When you are duel tanking (Ninja) its a little more difficult but almost the same. The only time you need not spam provoke is when you are back up tanking for someone else, which means if things start looking bad for the main tank you jump in and pull the monsters attention to you so your ally can be healed.
#12 Jan 05 2008 at 5:00 PM Rating: Decent
UltKnightGrover wrote:
BLMs and SAMs tank at the higher levels.


Fixed that for you

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OP: This is a sarcastic post, it's a joke you'll get in about 6 months. the other answers are correct.
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Edited, Jan 5th 2008 7:01pm by Tyreck
#13TybudX, Posted: Jan 05 2008 at 5:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) WHMs can tank, but only for a few seconds, and only after doing some sort of Curaga while the party is fighting a mob what they should be camping.
#14 Jan 05 2008 at 5:04 PM Rating: Default
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UltKnightGrover wrote:
Ninjas cannot tank until level 37 because of their lack of Utsusemi: Ni.


This is not true. Bad NIN tanks can't tank before 37. The problem being, since everyone and their brother needs /NIN for tons of different jobs, that's a lot of people partying pre-37, which allows for plenty of ****** tanks to roll on through.
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#15 Jan 05 2008 at 5:18 PM Rating: Default
TybudX wrote:
WHMs can tank, but only for a few seconds, and only after doing some sort of Curaga while the party is fighting a mob what they should be camping.

BLM can tank, but only for a few seconds, and only when they open a fight with that shiney new spell they just learned.

RDM can tank, but only for a few seonds, and only because they insist on meleeing in line with the THFs new 'Trick Attack' ability.


I know we are getting a little off subject here. delving deeper into advanced play then the OP would understand at this point in time, But all of your statements are false in one way or another. Particularly the RDM one.
#16 Jan 05 2008 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
TybudX wrote:
WHMs can tank, but only for a few seconds, and only after doing some sort of Curaga while the party is fighting a mob what they should be camping.

BLM can tank, but only for a few seconds, and only when they open a fight with that shiney new spell they just learned.

RDM can tank, but only for a few seonds, and only because they insist on meleeing in line with the THFs new 'Trick Attack' ability.



That's not tanking. Then again, if you define tanking as "be the target of an enemy" they you are right, but really, tanking is much more than just that.

And btw, rdm and whm can be good tanks on Jailer of Love.
#17 Jan 05 2008 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
ok now that questions answered I might as well add a few more questions to keep me from making multiple threads

So what would be the best job to get to 30 and then switch off to DRG from (yeah i know you need to kill a dragon or something in a quest)
I was thinking of going WAR and using a polearm (yeah i know Gaxes are better i just wanna get the DRG feel) but is there a better job to choose?

and where is the best place to fight weak monsters around Bastok cuz im planning on choosing there as my nation?
#18 Jan 05 2008 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Get the drg feel when you level drg - for 30 levels, you're a war, so please use a great-axe.

Right outside town are plenty of lowbie mobs to own.
#19 Jan 05 2008 at 5:47 PM Rating: Default
Hokokaru wrote:
ok now that questions answered I might as well add a few more questions to keep me from making multiple threads

So what would be the best job to get to 30 and then switch off to DRG from (yeah i know you need to kill a dragon or something in a quest)
I was thinking of going WAR and using a polearm (yeah i know Gaxes are better i just wanna get the DRG feel) but is there a better job to choose?

and where is the best place to fight weak monsters around Bastok cuz im planning on choosing there as my nation?


If you wanna start out with a war to get to 30 I'd use a Greataxe. The problem most of the time with suboptimal weapons is that the really good ones are limited to the jobs that excel at using them. You should consider bringing an Axe and Shield as well if you've got to tank(I used sword/shield back when I started the game(4 years ago). Works too but I won't recommend it). If you're not keen on buying HQ equipment(especially since you won't have much money at the beginning) I'd recommend checking the NPC shops. While higher lvl equipment is damn expensive there you can save a lot of money buying the low lvl stuff there instead of the AH.

Just leave Bastok and you find suitable mobs right away or go to Zeruhn Mines which are located in Bastok Mines. I'd go to South Gustaberg since you'll find lots of worms there that are easy to kill and are good exp.

Be careful with the higher lvl lizards there though. They like to use a move that deals poison DoT(Damage over Time) for quite some time and sometimes kills you even if you got full HP.
#20 Jan 05 2008 at 5:54 PM Rating: Decent
Hokokaru wrote:
ok now that questions answered I might as well add a few more questions to keep me from making multiple threads

So what would be the best job to get to 30 and then switch off to DRG from (yeah i know you need to kill a dragon or something in a quest)
I was thinking of going WAR and using a polearm (yeah i know Gaxes are better i just wanna get the DRG feel) but is there a better job to choose?

and where is the best place to fight weak monsters around Bastok cuz im planning on choosing there as my nation?


DRG has the ability to solo things which is nice, you don't always have to wait around for a party to get experience points. I bring this up because WHM and RDM are both popular solo subjobs for DRG and as such you could kill two proverbial birds with one stone.

Getting a job to a suitable level for unlocking an advanced job, and taking care of a needed subjob at the same time.

In a party environment /WAR, and /SAM will be the way to go most of the time as far as I know. Because of this /WAR is again a necessary sub to level making that a good choice for a job to level as well.

I would like to, if I may; pose two possible scenarios you could choose, getting to the point of unlocking and leveling DRG as fast and (non-gimp) as possible.

Scenario 1:
1) level Redmage to 18, Unlock subjob availablity
2) Level Whitemage/Redmage to 30 (note: / denotes the subjob, also WHM/RDM)
3) ask someone for help unlocking the Dragoon advanced job
4) start soloing

Scenario 2:
1) level Monk to 18, Unlock subjob availablity
2) Level Warrior/Monk to 30 (Note: also seen as WAR/MNK)
3) you can probably solo the quest to unlock Dragoon as WAR/MNK
4) start soloing (this a joke, you'll get it later)

Oh, and NO! don't use a polearm as Warrior. Use an Axe and Shield (helps out a little if you're tanking in a party. which is not uncommon at low levels) or a Great Axe (chances are if you put some effort into it you'll be tanking with this setup as well, just not by choice)

You'll have plenty of time with your pole'in'hand (again, reference to joke about Dragoons not getting party invites) when you're actually playing Dragoon, to use one as a Warrior would be less then optimal given their low skill in that particular weapon.

One of the beautiful things about FFXI is that you can change jobs when ever you want. Don't be afraid to try some of them out, what I listed in the scenarios I proposed are only suggestions to help you with your decision.
#21 Jan 05 2008 at 6:05 PM Rating: Good
Ill take my WAR/MNK thank you lol and the DRG jokes i get because i asked in the DRG threads and got my thread Sub'd within minutes lol and since DRGs dont get parties as often that Sub-job selection will work for beating the quest if what you say is true....

please dont Sub-default me again people XD
#22 Jan 05 2008 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
Tyreck wrote:

3) you can probably solo the quest to unlock Dragoon as WAR/MNK


This depends on how high you're taking war/mnk though before you take on the Wyvern. The NM in that BCNM is lvl 40 and he should be killable at 45+ with good gear food and meds(hi-pots i.e.). If you don't wanna lvl your war that high and wanna get dragoon as soon as possible you could always look for others that need to do the BCNM or just get a ls with helpful people and ask them to /assist you ^^

#23 Jan 05 2008 at 7:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Or if you happen to end up on ragnarok server...just send me a /tell....I love killing that wyvern..Ive helped many people with it so far ^^
#24 Jan 05 2008 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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SoiFon wrote:
Monk can also tank 1-30ish.

Tanking is probably not the right word for Monk 1 to 30.
We just handle getting a beating better than most other jobs at those levels:)
#25 Jan 06 2008 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
Hokokaru wrote:
Ill take my WAR/MNK thank you lol and the DRG jokes i get because i asked in the DRG threads and got my thread Sub'd within minutes lol and since DRGs dont get parties as often that Sub-job selection will work for beating the quest if what you say is true....

please dont Sub-default me again people XD


don't worry about the voiceless idiots that rate you down. They are probably very miserable in real life.

If you end up on shiva I'd gladly help you complete the quest as well.

DRG like all other DD class jobs are fighting for a spot against 14(ish) other jobs that could do the same thing, all DD have trouble getting parties. DRG can solo decently well with a mage sub job while you wait at least.
#26 Jan 06 2008 at 2:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Machka wrote:
SoiFon wrote:
Monk can also tank 1-30ish.

Tanking is probably not the right word for Monk 1 to 30.
We just handle getting a beating better than most other jobs at those levels:)


Sounds like tanking to me.
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