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The unfairness of mog bonanza towards PS2 playersFollow

#1 Jul 01 2008 at 1:47 AM Rating: Decent
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For all ps2 users, if u buy the marbles thru moogle random system...

You wont won above rank 5 items..
because SE has programmed the random system for ps2 to generate only
these 2 patterns;

EOEOE
OEOEO

The pattern of winning number is

rank 1:47396 EOOOE
rank 2:1017  OEOO
rank 3:379   OOO
rank 4:44    EE

Evidence:

http://tune.ache-bang.com/~vg/modules/up/img/4131.jpg
http://tune.ache-bang.com/~vg/modules/up/img/4130.jpg
http://tune.ache-bang.com/~vg/modules/up/img/4129.jpg
http://tune.ache-bang.com/~vg/modules/up/img/4128.jpg



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#2 Jul 01 2008 at 1:55 AM Rating: Good
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#3 Jul 01 2008 at 1:57 AM Rating: Decent
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o snap.
#4 Jul 01 2008 at 2:01 AM Rating: Good
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I am on a PS2. The 30 numbers I had the moogle pick all follow the EOEOE
OEOEO pattern.

My gf is on a computer. There is no pattern to her randomly generated numbers that I could see.

Sloppy, sloppy programming on SE's part for the PS2 people. Geez.

Edited, Jul 1st 2008 3:01am by dementodin
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Sloppy, sloppy programming on SE's part for the PS2 people. Geez.


You're quite possibly more gullible than I am if you think this was "sloppy programming"
#6 Jul 01 2008 at 2:11 AM Rating: Decent
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They don't promise you to generate 'random' anyway
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#7 Jul 01 2008 at 2:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Forgive me if ive missed the point here, but surely a number an NPC provides is server side rather than client (PS2) supplied.
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#8 Jul 01 2008 at 2:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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I demand another bonanza next month to make up for this atrocity!
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#9 Jul 01 2008 at 2:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Deadgye wrote:
I demand another bonanza next month to make up for this atrocity!

Pre-congrats on the exp scroll
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#10 Jul 01 2008 at 2:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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SE: Sorry, PS2 limitations.
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lol gfg
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#12 Jul 01 2008 at 2:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Even though as someone already pointed out, the numbers are generated server-side so your post has no validity, you might want to point out that the E and O in your post refer to even and odd because it's not that obvious. Took me a while.


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#13 Jul 01 2008 at 2:33 AM Rating: Good
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VZX wrote:
Deadgye wrote:
I demand another bonanza next month to make up for this atrocity!

Pre-congrats on the exp scroll


I already got one from this bonanza, next time I'll win at least a rank 4!
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#14 Jul 01 2008 at 2:40 AM Rating: Default
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Anyone care to explain what O and E are supposed to represent? I'm looking at those numbers in the screenshot and don't quite see the pattern you claim.
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E and O represent Even and Odd. :]
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#16 Jul 01 2008 at 3:01 AM Rating: Good
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And as I pointed out in the other thread that was already made about this, it was still completely random odds that your number would be chosen, no matter whether the numbers the moogles gave had a pattern or not. It's not like they gave you a number that was less likely to be chosen, after all. Or are you claiming that somehow 10101 had lower odds than 24242, etc? All this did (if true) is make it to where more people either won or lost together, but the odds of any individual number winning were completely unaffected.

*Edit: Oh, and for the people saying the numbers were generated server-side, so this is all impossible, it's certainly possible it was done that way, but there's not really any particular reason that it had to be server-side. It's not like these numbers are things you have to make sure the player can't influence like with /random, so it would be perfectly reasonable to do it client-side. I don't know if it's true or not, but there certainly seems to be a decent number of people making the claim based on their own experience.

Edited, Jul 1st 2008 6:10am by Hripthe
#17 Jul 01 2008 at 3:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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ANNNDDDD on that farm he had some chocobos, EOEOE! (with a wark wark here and a.....)

Sorry, the OP got it stuck in my head, so I'm passing on the love!
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All of FFXI's "random" numbers are generated server side. Ismarc said he believed the formula had something to do with how long it took the request to process in miliseconds with some additional stuff done to it for lots and for /random, so the MOST reasonable assumption is that the randomly generated mog numbers were the same.

I'm one of those that followed my own formula rather than letting the moogle decide anyway.

Edited, Jul 1st 2008 7:34am by catwho
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#19 Jul 01 2008 at 3:36 AM Rating: Default
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eugh bias cba lol, you can look at it two ways, individual numbers are uneffected though i dont know how to comment on the variance etc
the numbers are generated over only 1/16th of the sample space


Edited, Jul 1st 2008 7:40am by ZiGG
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#20 Jul 01 2008 at 3:44 AM Rating: Decent
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All text you see is generated server-side. I think player /say(ect) text isn't, but any other text like, "jkasdng hit the sand worm for 1" is server-side. That's why there is no FFXI private servers.

About the PS2 thing... You chose to get random numbers. You could have picked OOOOO, OOOO, OOO, whatever. It's not SE's fault that you chose to listen to a moogle. The event is over anyway, you're lucky you actually got something(I didn't).
#21 Jul 01 2008 at 3:48 AM Rating: Good
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Why let the moogle choose anyway? If you pick your own numbers you get a 100% chance of getting an exp scroll with your 10 marbles.
#22 Jul 01 2008 at 3:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Weird because I won multiple rank 3's and multiple rank 5's and I play on PS2
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Whatever makes you feel better about not winning.
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#24 Jul 01 2008 at 3:56 AM Rating: Default
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And as I pointed out in the other thread that was already made about this, it was still completely random odds that your number would be chosen, no matter whether the numbers the moogles gave had a pattern or not.


That's horse **** and you know it. If you really think this was just a mistake on SE's part and not intentionally designed to ***** people over... wow, just wow.


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About the PS2 thing... You chose to get random numbers. You could have picked OOOOO, OOOO, OOO, whatever. It's not SE's fault that you chose to listen to a moogle. The event is over anyway, you're lucky you actually got something(I didn't).


Dude, just shut up... people were under the impression that they were getting legitimate random numbers picked for them, not "random" in the sense of an essentially pre-programmed list of numbers that were guaranteed to be losses.
#25 Jul 01 2008 at 4:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Whether a number is odd or even is irrelevent, if its not the right number :) Systematic odds and evens in your random number selection have not decreased your odds any more than someone without this "pattern" due to how random outcomes works.

Flip a coin six times, its just as likely to land HTHTHT as it is HHTHTT.
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#26 Jul 01 2008 at 4:57 AM Rating: Decent
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thats not STRICTLY true, it is true in a simple case but not in a larger general case :P but since youre dealing with 100000 combinations i wouldnt worry about it too much

also: ratedown troll, die in a hole ktnx


Edited, Jul 1st 2008 9:42am by ZiGG
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