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#1 Nov 26 2008 at 2:08 AM Rating: Good
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At the following time, emergency maintenance will be performed on all worlds. During maintenance, the areas listed below in all worlds will become unavailable.

Players who are scheduled to enter Assault or Salvage areas, or those who will participate in Campaign Ops with time limits at the time of the maintenance, we ask that you please wait until maintenance is complete before engaging in these activities. Please note that we cannot replace items that are lost during the maintenance process.

Prior to the start of maintenance and at completion of maintenance, there will be an in-game announcement. Please read the announcements before and after maintenance.

We deeply apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

[Date & Time]
For a few minutes starting Nov. 26, 2008 from 3:30am (PST)
* Maintenance completion time may be subject to change.

[Affected Areas]
-Ilrusi Atoll
-Periqia
-The Ashu Talif
-Lebros Cavern
-Mamool Ja Training Grounds
-Leujaoam Sanctum
-Zhayolm Remnants
-Arrapago Remnants
-Bhaflau Remnants
-Silver Sea Remnants
-Nyzul Isle
-Everbloom Hollow [S]
-Ruhotz Silvermines [S]
-Ghoyu's Reverie [S]
Looks like the "issue" with "certain droprates" in these areas is getting "fixed".
#3 Nov 26 2008 at 2:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I hope people get perma banned for this, assuming it's what i think it is.
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#4 Nov 26 2008 at 2:37 AM Rating: Good
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Do tell...
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#5 Nov 26 2008 at 2:43 AM Rating: Good
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A glitch to get 3 times as many cells and drops in salvage(and other areas listed), notice some JPs and some other groups walking around in far more salvage gear than should normally be the case? They are crying about it being fixed when they cheated their gear while others have got nothing or 1/3 of what they did for the same work.

I really do hope it took them so long to fix because they kept logs of who was abusing it, some bans would really be good after this. People get banned for a lot less and if they dont also then something is really wrong somewhere.

Edited, Nov 26th 2008 5:45am by preludes
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#6 Nov 26 2008 at 4:00 AM Rating: Default
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A version update of FINAL FANTASY XI was performed at the following time.

[Date & Time]
Nov. 26, 2008 at 3:30 (PST)

[Affected Services]
FINAL FANTASY XI

[Important Update Details]
Issue in the following areas has been addressed:

-Ilrusi Atoll
-Periqia
-The Ashu Talif
-Lebros Cavern
-Mamool Ja Training Grounds
-Leujaoam Sanctum
-Zhayolm Remnants
-Arrapago Remnants
-Bhaflau Remnants
-Silver Sea Remnants
-Nyzul Isle
-Everbloom Hollow [S]
-Ruhotz Silvermines [S]
-Ghoyu's Reverie [S]
Vauge, and no mention of this issue is they addressed.
#7 Nov 26 2008 at 4:12 AM Rating: Good
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Must be pretty big. BG is having a crying /wrist fest right now.

http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/ffxi-advanced-player-discussion/66458-emergency-maintenance-salvage-areas-nyzul.html

I'm finding it an amusing read and I don't even do Salvage.

On a side note.. Grats Salvage guys using this trick. SE just gave you the bird for Thanksgiving.

Edited, Nov 26th 2008 4:27am by Dragonbait
#8 Nov 26 2008 at 4:38 AM Rating: Good
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Rofl...

Waaaaaahhhhh, you can't cheat anymore. (And extra rofl for those trying to justify it and call it not cheating because no actual hacks were required...)

Where is my world's tiniest violin?

BG is pathetic, lol.
#9 Nov 26 2008 at 4:44 AM Rating: Good
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Wow, so what was the exploit?

Its amazing how /butthurt people get over exploiting a game and someone finding out about it.

The crying and trying to justify why they do it is priceless though. I hope they ban every person that did it more then once.
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#10 Nov 26 2008 at 4:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Basically from what I gather from BG, you could triple drops of certain items.
#11 Nov 26 2008 at 5:07 AM Rating: Decent
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triple coinpurses, almost all salvage gear drops, and sandworm bc drops.
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#12 Nov 26 2008 at 5:11 AM Rating: Good
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Considering how much these things sell for and the supposed rarity issues I would be amazed if people did not get banned for it really, this is worse/as bad as the tavnazia thing ever was.
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#13 Nov 26 2008 at 5:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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I wasn't aware of this 'trick' at all. I don't do salvage anymore anyway, so I guess that doesn't matter a lot. This does explain a couple things I saw in the game, however. :P

The biggest downside, I think, is that I will no longer look at people with salvage pieces and say "ooooh, lots of work." I can't be impressed if there was a way to shortcut it... I have no idea who actually earned it, or who pretended to. :/
Really takes the wind out of those sails. That's too bad, really.

Glad people think they somehow DESERVED to use a trick like that for more drops, but the sad reality is that they didn't. Almost amazing how many people just cruise along thinking there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, that they somehow earned the right to do it.

Game is designed one way. You don't like it, so you break the rules to get what you want, you're cheating. Crazy how easily people justify it (even though they specifically kept it quiet, knowing it was a mistake). XD


Edited, Nov 26th 2008 5:14am by AmanoJ
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#14 Nov 26 2008 at 5:15 AM Rating: Good
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Wow, so what was the exploit?

Its amazing how /butthurt people get over exploiting a game and someone finding out about it.

The crying and trying to justify why they do it is priceless though. I hope they ban every person that did it more then once.


Reading between the lines on BG, I understood that you make 3 parties, ensure each gets their swings in on the mob, and when it goes down, each of the 3 PTs gets the same loot. Don't pin me down on the details, it's just guesswork.

I suspect SE is going to apply some banstick/reroll love here, since it's a very obvious exploit. Those that used it might defend their actions, but it's a clear case of using a bug in the code to gain unfair advantage over others. Even now people are hiding the method, in case SE got the wrong bug.

Also, I'm annoyed that I spend all this time doing salvage not knowing about it.

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#15 Nov 26 2008 at 5:31 AM Rating: Good
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I hope SE has records of the people that took advantage of this obvious glitch. If not an outright ban, than they should at least remove the equipment from the characters that were cheating. The only people I feel bad for are those that have been doing these activities for months with no gains.

Hint to SE, up your f*cking drop rates on things! We have more than enough endgame content to keep us busy without having to wait months and months to get one item.
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This is odd, when I first read about this glitch I was angered because me and my group have been doing Salvage 2 times a week for well over a year and only have 2 pieces of completed salvage gear. Granted, if I'm reading this right we would only triple that to 6 pieces but still, that's better than what we have now. You still had to "get" the drop I think, only with the glitch you were able to duplicate it across three parties.

But now that I've had a chance to think about it I'm not mad, more jealous, I mean my group just seem to have horrid luck I guess. It is a glitch, but is it a punishable glitch? Not for me to decide, but I imagine SE will do little if nothing to punish those who used it, so in that regard I wish me and mine had of known about it.

Least now everyone will be on level ground, same ****** luck as everyone else. The ONLY complaint I've ever really had about this game is the crap drop rates, salvage (and in the past dynamis) has such bad rates that you can literally walk away with nothing from the time invested.
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#17 Nov 26 2008 at 5:43 AM Rating: Good
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I hope SE has records of the people that took advantage of this obvious glitch. If not an outright ban, than they should at least remove the equipment from the characters that were cheating. The only people I feel bad for are those that have been doing these activities for months with no gains.

Hint to SE, up your f*cking drop rates on things! We have more than enough endgame content to keep us busy without having to wait months and months to get one item.


Gotta be a pretty rough solution to come up with this time. Banning all involved would be... probably a lot of bans. Just trying to sort out the gains made through exploitation would probably be a horrible headache. It wasn't just salvage, I guess... could also be done with stuff you could sell from elsewhere, like the Sandworm drops, which sucks. That's a lot of traded items, traded gil.

It's hard to know what I want to see here. The people involved should be punished, but I think removing the items gained through this method would be enough. Something to make sure people know SE isn't messing around with this kind of exploitation. Bans aren't totally necessary, in my opinion... though a warning or flag on the account would be good, to 'scare' people from doing something like it again in the future. I would also like to see all of the duplicated items out because of what I mentioned before: it takes a **** of a lot away from the items that were actually earned.

They should up salvage drop rates a bit, they really are a joke. In my time with my salvage shell, I saw only like... 2 equip drops. That's pretty **** bad, it really is, especially considering all the other places you 'need' to spend time in the game. Still, that doesn't make the duplicating shortcut OK to do.

All in all, I don't know. I hope SE does something with this, and doesn't just patch and ignore it... many people don't think they even did anything wrong... but how do you find an area between fair and unfair for action taken, or even one that's realistic?
A compromise where salvage drops were bumped up a bit, duplicated items were deleted/removed and accounts involved were flagged or warned would be ideal, but I don't think it's very likely.
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#18 Nov 26 2008 at 5:44 AM Rating: Good
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I dont think SE can apply any sort of bans here, this "trick" was in the game as far back as i can remember.

I had no idea it triplicated drops though, nor did i know you could dupe drops in Sandworm BCs.

Hm... ignorance is bliss i guess.
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#19 Nov 26 2008 at 5:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hm... ignorance is bliss i guess.

But, if you manipulate your alliance properly, you can triple your ignorance and thus triple your bliss.
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You still had to "get" the drop I think, only with the glitch you were able to duplicate it across three parties.

But keep in mind that it works for ALL items, including cells and alexandrites/pouches. Not only did they get triple drops, they also got unlocked much faster, which meant less time spent farming cells and more time farming NMs (which would drop 3x as well).

More salvage drops means much higher demand for salvage armor crafted items (say IW. ingots). Which in turn drives up prices for everyone, including those that did not know about the dupe trick. And if you knew about the dupe trick, you could do ENM/KSNM/whateverNM for money drops which would be duped as well, so even more power to you.
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#21 Nov 26 2008 at 6:05 AM Rating: Default
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Granted, if I'm reading this right we would only triple that to 6 pieces but still, that's better than what we have now. You still had to "get" the drop I think, only with the glitch you were able to duplicate it across three parties.


Worked with cells too, groups doing this would be fully geared a LOT faster and so would be able to clear zones more fully/faster utilising time better and even if it did not work with proper drops it would still give an amazing advantage.

So doing this would of netted a lot more than 6 drops over the current 2 you have had.


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You still had to "get" the drop I think, only with the glitch you were able to duplicate it across three parties.

But keep in mind that it works for ALL items, including cells and alexandrites/pouches. Not only did they get triple drops, they also got unlocked much faster, which meant less time spent farming cells and more time farming NMs (which would drop 3x as well).

More salvage drops means much higher demand for salvage armor crafted items (say IW. ingots). Which in turn drives up prices for everyone, including those that did not know about the dupe trick. And if you knew about the dupe trick, you could do ENM/KSNM/whateverNM for money drops which would be duped as well, so even more power to you.
That...isn't cool. Well I guess it's cool if you knew about it, not if you didn't.

Not cool. Jealous.
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#23 Nov 26 2008 at 6:05 AM Rating: Good
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But, if you manipulate your alliance properly, you can triple your ignorance and thus triple your bliss.


Could also triple the bans but i digress.
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#24 Nov 26 2008 at 6:06 AM Rating: Default
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No need to ban everyone, just give all the people who didn't exploit some free salvage gear. Are's Body {Yes, please}.
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Meh, I'm sure they'll ban a few people to scare the public, thats how they work.
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Oh man. I don't do Salvage but I can see why some folks would be /wrist over this change.

I don't think any banning should be involved, as it's not as if they were hacking the game. However, I'm glad this bug was squelched.
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