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#1 Nov 26 2008 at 2:08 AM Rating: Good
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At the following time, emergency maintenance will be performed on all worlds. During maintenance, the areas listed below in all worlds will become unavailable.

Players who are scheduled to enter Assault or Salvage areas, or those who will participate in Campaign Ops with time limits at the time of the maintenance, we ask that you please wait until maintenance is complete before engaging in these activities. Please note that we cannot replace items that are lost during the maintenance process.

Prior to the start of maintenance and at completion of maintenance, there will be an in-game announcement. Please read the announcements before and after maintenance.

We deeply apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

[Date & Time]
For a few minutes starting Nov. 26, 2008 from 3:30am (PST)
* Maintenance completion time may be subject to change.

[Affected Areas]
-Ilrusi Atoll
-Periqia
-The Ashu Talif
-Lebros Cavern
-Mamool Ja Training Grounds
-Leujaoam Sanctum
-Zhayolm Remnants
-Arrapago Remnants
-Bhaflau Remnants
-Silver Sea Remnants
-Nyzul Isle
-Everbloom Hollow [S]
-Ruhotz Silvermines [S]
-Ghoyu's Reverie [S]
Looks like the "issue" with "certain droprates" in these areas is getting "fixed".
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I hope people get perma banned for this, assuming it's what i think it is.
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I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Do tell...
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A glitch to get 3 times as many cells and drops in salvage(and other areas listed), notice some JPs and some other groups walking around in far more salvage gear than should normally be the case? They are crying about it being fixed when they cheated their gear while others have got nothing or 1/3 of what they did for the same work.

I really do hope it took them so long to fix because they kept logs of who was abusing it, some bans would really be good after this. People get banned for a lot less and if they dont also then something is really wrong somewhere.

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A version update of FINAL FANTASY XI was performed at the following time.

[Date & Time]
Nov. 26, 2008 at 3:30 (PST)

[Affected Services]
FINAL FANTASY XI

[Important Update Details]
Issue in the following areas has been addressed:

-Ilrusi Atoll
-Periqia
-The Ashu Talif
-Lebros Cavern
-Mamool Ja Training Grounds
-Leujaoam Sanctum
-Zhayolm Remnants
-Arrapago Remnants
-Bhaflau Remnants
-Silver Sea Remnants
-Nyzul Isle
-Everbloom Hollow [S]
-Ruhotz Silvermines [S]
-Ghoyu's Reverie [S]
Vauge, and no mention of this issue is they addressed.
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Must be pretty big. BG is having a crying /wrist fest right now.

http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/ffxi-advanced-player-discussion/66458-emergency-maintenance-salvage-areas-nyzul.html

I'm finding it an amusing read and I don't even do Salvage.

On a side note.. Grats Salvage guys using this trick. SE just gave you the bird for Thanksgiving.

Edited, Nov 26th 2008 4:27am by Dragonbait
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Rofl...

Waaaaaahhhhh, you can't cheat anymore. (And extra rofl for those trying to justify it and call it not cheating because no actual hacks were required...)

Where is my world's tiniest violin?

BG is pathetic, lol.
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Wow, so what was the exploit?

Its amazing how /butthurt people get over exploiting a game and someone finding out about it.

The crying and trying to justify why they do it is priceless though. I hope they ban every person that did it more then once.
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Basically from what I gather from BG, you could triple drops of certain items.
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triple coinpurses, almost all salvage gear drops, and sandworm bc drops.
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Considering how much these things sell for and the supposed rarity issues I would be amazed if people did not get banned for it really, this is worse/as bad as the tavnazia thing ever was.
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I wasn't aware of this 'trick' at all. I don't do salvage anymore anyway, so I guess that doesn't matter a lot. This does explain a couple things I saw in the game, however. :P

The biggest downside, I think, is that I will no longer look at people with salvage pieces and say "ooooh, lots of work." I can't be impressed if there was a way to shortcut it... I have no idea who actually earned it, or who pretended to. :/
Really takes the wind out of those sails. That's too bad, really.

Glad people think they somehow DESERVED to use a trick like that for more drops, but the sad reality is that they didn't. Almost amazing how many people just cruise along thinking there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, that they somehow earned the right to do it.

Game is designed one way. You don't like it, so you break the rules to get what you want, you're cheating. Crazy how easily people justify it (even though they specifically kept it quiet, knowing it was a mistake). XD


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#14 Nov 26 2008 at 5:15 AM Rating: Good
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Wow, so what was the exploit?

Its amazing how /butthurt people get over exploiting a game and someone finding out about it.

The crying and trying to justify why they do it is priceless though. I hope they ban every person that did it more then once.


Reading between the lines on BG, I understood that you make 3 parties, ensure each gets their swings in on the mob, and when it goes down, each of the 3 PTs gets the same loot. Don't pin me down on the details, it's just guesswork.

I suspect SE is going to apply some banstick/reroll love here, since it's a very obvious exploit. Those that used it might defend their actions, but it's a clear case of using a bug in the code to gain unfair advantage over others. Even now people are hiding the method, in case SE got the wrong bug.

Also, I'm annoyed that I spend all this time doing salvage not knowing about it.

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#15 Nov 26 2008 at 5:31 AM Rating: Good
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I hope SE has records of the people that took advantage of this obvious glitch. If not an outright ban, than they should at least remove the equipment from the characters that were cheating. The only people I feel bad for are those that have been doing these activities for months with no gains.

Hint to SE, up your f*cking drop rates on things! We have more than enough endgame content to keep us busy without having to wait months and months to get one item.
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This is odd, when I first read about this glitch I was angered because me and my group have been doing Salvage 2 times a week for well over a year and only have 2 pieces of completed salvage gear. Granted, if I'm reading this right we would only triple that to 6 pieces but still, that's better than what we have now. You still had to "get" the drop I think, only with the glitch you were able to duplicate it across three parties.

But now that I've had a chance to think about it I'm not mad, more jealous, I mean my group just seem to have horrid luck I guess. It is a glitch, but is it a punishable glitch? Not for me to decide, but I imagine SE will do little if nothing to punish those who used it, so in that regard I wish me and mine had of known about it.

Least now everyone will be on level ground, same ****** luck as everyone else. The ONLY complaint I've ever really had about this game is the crap drop rates, salvage (and in the past dynamis) has such bad rates that you can literally walk away with nothing from the time invested.
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#17 Nov 26 2008 at 5:43 AM Rating: Good
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I hope SE has records of the people that took advantage of this obvious glitch. If not an outright ban, than they should at least remove the equipment from the characters that were cheating. The only people I feel bad for are those that have been doing these activities for months with no gains.

Hint to SE, up your f*cking drop rates on things! We have more than enough endgame content to keep us busy without having to wait months and months to get one item.


Gotta be a pretty rough solution to come up with this time. Banning all involved would be... probably a lot of bans. Just trying to sort out the gains made through exploitation would probably be a horrible headache. It wasn't just salvage, I guess... could also be done with stuff you could sell from elsewhere, like the Sandworm drops, which sucks. That's a lot of traded items, traded gil.

It's hard to know what I want to see here. The people involved should be punished, but I think removing the items gained through this method would be enough. Something to make sure people know SE isn't messing around with this kind of exploitation. Bans aren't totally necessary, in my opinion... though a warning or flag on the account would be good, to 'scare' people from doing something like it again in the future. I would also like to see all of the duplicated items out because of what I mentioned before: it takes a **** of a lot away from the items that were actually earned.

They should up salvage drop rates a bit, they really are a joke. In my time with my salvage shell, I saw only like... 2 equip drops. That's pretty **** bad, it really is, especially considering all the other places you 'need' to spend time in the game. Still, that doesn't make the duplicating shortcut OK to do.

All in all, I don't know. I hope SE does something with this, and doesn't just patch and ignore it... many people don't think they even did anything wrong... but how do you find an area between fair and unfair for action taken, or even one that's realistic?
A compromise where salvage drops were bumped up a bit, duplicated items were deleted/removed and accounts involved were flagged or warned would be ideal, but I don't think it's very likely.
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I dont think SE can apply any sort of bans here, this "trick" was in the game as far back as i can remember.

I had no idea it triplicated drops though, nor did i know you could dupe drops in Sandworm BCs.

Hm... ignorance is bliss i guess.
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Hm... ignorance is bliss i guess.

But, if you manipulate your alliance properly, you can triple your ignorance and thus triple your bliss.
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You still had to "get" the drop I think, only with the glitch you were able to duplicate it across three parties.

But keep in mind that it works for ALL items, including cells and alexandrites/pouches. Not only did they get triple drops, they also got unlocked much faster, which meant less time spent farming cells and more time farming NMs (which would drop 3x as well).

More salvage drops means much higher demand for salvage armor crafted items (say IW. ingots). Which in turn drives up prices for everyone, including those that did not know about the dupe trick. And if you knew about the dupe trick, you could do ENM/KSNM/whateverNM for money drops which would be duped as well, so even more power to you.
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#21 Nov 26 2008 at 6:05 AM Rating: Default
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Granted, if I'm reading this right we would only triple that to 6 pieces but still, that's better than what we have now. You still had to "get" the drop I think, only with the glitch you were able to duplicate it across three parties.


Worked with cells too, groups doing this would be fully geared a LOT faster and so would be able to clear zones more fully/faster utilising time better and even if it did not work with proper drops it would still give an amazing advantage.

So doing this would of netted a lot more than 6 drops over the current 2 you have had.


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You still had to "get" the drop I think, only with the glitch you were able to duplicate it across three parties.

But keep in mind that it works for ALL items, including cells and alexandrites/pouches. Not only did they get triple drops, they also got unlocked much faster, which meant less time spent farming cells and more time farming NMs (which would drop 3x as well).

More salvage drops means much higher demand for salvage armor crafted items (say IW. ingots). Which in turn drives up prices for everyone, including those that did not know about the dupe trick. And if you knew about the dupe trick, you could do ENM/KSNM/whateverNM for money drops which would be duped as well, so even more power to you.
That...isn't cool. Well I guess it's cool if you knew about it, not if you didn't.

Not cool. Jealous.
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But, if you manipulate your alliance properly, you can triple your ignorance and thus triple your bliss.


Could also triple the bans but i digress.
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No need to ban everyone, just give all the people who didn't exploit some free salvage gear. Are's Body {Yes, please}.
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Meh, I'm sure they'll ban a few people to scare the public, thats how they work.
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Oh man. I don't do Salvage but I can see why some folks would be /wrist over this change.

I don't think any banning should be involved, as it's not as if they were hacking the game. However, I'm glad this bug was squelched.
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#27 Nov 26 2008 at 6:16 AM Rating: Good
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It comes down to "How many people abused this and can we contain it?".

If too many people abused it, SE will just let it slide. If its enough that they can contain the people who abused - they will apply bans or threaten people into dropping pieces (see: Snowmen Fever)

Sandworm dupers are definitely priority for bans if they do apply any though - duping items to sell for profit should turn a few STF heads.
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#28 Nov 26 2008 at 6:20 AM Rating: Good
I can't help but laugh at all the poor, poor, pitiful whiners crying about this fix. Saying "FU SE" and all that. Big babies.

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I don't think any banning should be involved, as it's not as if they were hacking the game. However, I'm glad this bug was squelched.


People have been banned for lesser exploits. Several fishing ones come to mind.

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There is a staggering level of hypocrisy over in the Bluegartr thread. A number of names of posters there, are people who post here, who insist casual players should not have access to nice endgame gear, it would appear that people who exploit glitches however, should.
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It's really no better than if hacking was involved, if you do actually think about what this has done to the economy and much protected rarity of equip Square loves to keep that way I can't see them not getting the ban stick out over this. It is actually a really big deal if you think what it involves, just as a small example.. if you claim Sandworm regularly the money you could make selling the drops duped 3 times is unbelievable.
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Triple all drops in locations that have some of the most sought after items in the game, including, but not limited to, craft material that are used to upgrade the salvage pieces.

So not only where they getting their gear faster, and cheaper cause they were getting ingots faster...but they were also profiting off all those "little people" who were oblivious to the exploit when they tried to upgrade the salvage armor they got legitimately?

Duping Antares Harnesses, Ancient Torques, and all other sellable items in between from Sandworm areas, gearing themselves, but at the same time getting 2 more to sell to everyone else?

The more I think about it the less it seems like a victimless exploit.
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There is a staggering level of hypocrisy over in the Bluegartr thread. A number of names of posters there, are people who post here, who insist casual players should not have access to nice endgame gear, it would appear that people who exploit glitches however, should.


Odd how that works, eh...

I know it's a little ridiculous, but I honestly am kind of disappointed by this. There is a lot of junk out there, especially in endgame, but I honestly did think there were more people who cared more about earning the gear than simply having it. Well, at least enough to guarantee something like this wasn't abused as long as it was...
Oh well.

If I had any salvage gear done at this point, I'd be almost embarrassed to put it in a sig or something, always having people wondering how it was obtained. Bah, that really sucks. :/


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We should all just boycott Salvage. The Time::reward ratio is horrible.

(and no, I don't do salvage and didn't know about the exploit ; ; )

I can't imagine how you could exploit triple drops in the other assault areas though, none of them drop anything decent except the 1/50 appraisel item.
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I've seen people banned for less. It will be difficult for SE to track everyone that abused this exploit, but if possible I hope they ban the **** out of all of them.

I'm sure a lot of the abusers are hardcore players, so SE wouldn't be losing any money. They'd just make a new character and jump right back into the addiction.

This exploit is a slap in the face of all those that have spent over a year to obtain only 1 or 2 salvage pieces.
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I can't imagine how you could exploit triple drops in the other assault areas though, none of them drop anything decent except the 1/50 appraisel item.


Most likely the HNM floors in Nyzul that drop Askar etc.
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I can't imagine how you could exploit triple drops in the other assault areas though, none of them drop anything decent except the 1/50 appraisel item.


Most likely the HNM floors in Nyzul that drop Askar etc.


The OTHER assault areas. I know it works in nyzul, salvage and apparently the sandworm BC, but the other assault areas don't drop anything in the assault area that i can think of. SE is probably just going for a general fix to the 'problem' though.
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Agreed, it seems fairly "harmless" at first. So there was a bug that could allow people to get their Salvage kit a bit quicker and it looks like it was fairly widespread used. Does me no harm though, if someones prancing around in full Ares go them. I mean at least when I finally get mine sorted Ill have a proper sense of achievement.

Then you dig deeper. You realise that it wasnt just affecting R/E armour pieces but a whole slew of items, and most of them rare and very desirable. You read lines like:

"ZhanAshura of BG" wrote:
At least I made 25mish off ancient torques and was able to snag a couple salvage peices before it happened, but today is a very sad day.


Now forgive me if im wrong... if the STF made a post saying "hey guys we found this exploit and some RMT dude had used it to get 25mil. Should we ban him or slap on the wrist?" I can 100% without doubt guarentee the people in this BG thread would be the ones running a witch hunt to get the bug sealed EVERYONE that used it banned. Now however, the shoe is on the other foot and because it wasnt "faceless RMT" that used it, its acceptable?

Hipocricy of the highest level. Ive lost alot of respect for alot of people over this.
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lol. the people who should/deserved to know, knew. Those that didn't, didn't. It's as simple as that. It was kept quiet so to keep the high and mighty people who deemed this sort of behaviour as "inappropriate" from reporting it in mass scale and ruining it for those of us who enjoyed gaining our just rewards. Do Salvage 4-7 times a week for a year, complete a whopping **** poor 2-3 pieces and then come back with your Q.Q'ing.


This is one of my favorite quotes from the BG thread.

I love the hypocrisy in that thread. The very same people that froth at the mouth if you suggest changing things in end game to make them more casual friendly, the same people that will ***** and moan about hard work and deserving things.

Just goes to show that the "Hardcore" are just a bunch of whiners that want every thing for themselves and nothing for anyone else.
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The OTHER assault areas.


Ahh, gotcha! Apologies for stating the obvious then.

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This is one of my favorite quotes from the BG thread.


Yeah, I enjoyed that one too, in particular the bit about the people who "deserved" to know the glitch.

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I've seen people banned for less. It will be difficult for SE to track everyone that abused this exploit, but if possible I hope they ban the **** out of all of them.

I'm sure a lot of the abusers are hardcore players, so SE wouldn't be losing any money. They'd just make a new character and jump right back into the addiction.

This exploit is a slap in the face of all those that have spent over a year to obtain only 1 or 2 salvage pieces.


***** Banning them. It's not enough imho.

Just remove all of the ill gotten gains. If they leave the game, then so be it. It just shows that they're the cheaters they say they're not, and are not willing to put the time into getting the gear the normal way.

Then give them a 72 hour ban. During this ban do an event where people can get rare, and often sought after items. Anniversary Rings, a lottery, ya know, something to slap back with. All Rare/Ex so they can't have any. This way you reward the honest players, and double whammy the cheaters.



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Ive lost alot of respect for alot of people over this.


I never had any. Sure back in the day they used to worth a nod now and then but for years now BG has been nothing but a haven for the worst kind of elitist scum. They want everything for themselves so they can lord it over us lowly mortals. I say ban the lot of the bastards if they participated at all in the exploit. Last time I checked the ToS, exploiting a bug was a bannable offense. I just hope SE follows through.
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That would be friggin awesome. There is no way they have been monitoring this long, so I doubt many completed pieces would be stripped. But it would be so satisfying to hear the lschat of someone who logged in and didnt have any of their ill gotten salvage gear. Don't ban them SE, make them wear AF again!
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That would be friggin awesome. There is no way they have been monitoring this long, so I doubt many completed pieces would be stripped. But it would be so satisfying to hear the lschat of someone who logged in and didnt have any of their ill gotten salvage gear. Don't ban them SE, make them wear AF again!


Or go into their accounts and trade all exploited gear for rusty crap.
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SE will not just strip away the gear. If any punishment will take place it will be bannings, and rightfully so. I could stand to have a lot less elitist ******** in FFXI.
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I did not know there is an item glitch in Salvage, and I used to do them quite religiously.

While I was still trying to figure out what the glitch is... I did peeped (multi-tasking) the BG thread... Oh my... Smiley: oyvey
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But now that I've had a chance to think about it I'm not mad, more jealous, I mean my group just seem to have horrid luck I guess. It is a glitch, but is it a punishable glitch? Not for me to decide, but I imagine SE will do little if nothing to punish those who used it, so in that regard I wish me and mine had of known about it.


I myself am also frustrated with Salvage drop rates, but I do not think banning those people are right -- it is a bug in the game. But I really think it is really bad crying like that on BG thread. Just FYI, every time I did Salvage, I was doing that with people that shared no idea about the glitch either. It is distasteful to cry over glitched drop rates when they are people who are even struggling more.

Do I share some jealously? I do also. But then, I had always done Salvage the way it is "intended," and it was also my choice to go Salvage and also to stop going Salvage also.

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#46 Nov 26 2008 at 7:52 AM Rating: Good
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SE is going to pull out the banhammer more for those that exploited SW and made millions upon millions of gil from it.

But if they do that, it will likely be a sweep, and the salvage abusers are going to get caught in the crossfire.

An exploit is an exploit and is included as a bannable offense in the ToS.

No matter how anyone attempts to justify their actions, this was cheating. Everyone that did it knew it was cheating. Case closed.
#47 Nov 26 2008 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah that's some serious stuff there. I wouldn't agree with bannings, simply because if it was any good amount of people FFXI would suffer from the loss of players, but man.

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I can't believe how many people are all "They shouldn't get banned for this!" over the subject.

People are right, there's been bannings and GM's stepping in for things less serious and less "hacking" related than this.

It doesn't matter if they didn't really "hack" anything, they took advantage of an obvious exploit of something obviously wrong with the game mechanics.

If you realize that you're suddenly getting triple drops off of something the first thought to go through your mind is going to be "omg no one tell SE" not "well that makes sense".

Just think back on all the old bannings for people exploiting game mechanics. I can recall only two off the top of my head at the moment, one involving RMT spam trading something random to the pankration jetton npc and another where some JP's found some npc goods that they could sell back for more than they bought it for.
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Thanks for linking the BG thread. It's comedic gold. Happy Thanksgiving cheaters, lol.
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#50 Nov 26 2008 at 8:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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I myself am also frustrated with Salvage drop rates, but I do not think banning those people are right -- it is a bug in the game


Varchet the gambler was just a bug in the game, but it still got patched, and people still got banned for it. If people are crowing about making 25 mil out of the split alliance glitch, then this isn't just about a few pieces of EX gear. This whole situation being uncovered certainly goes to explain how so many LS were able to start "selling" the salvage pieces.

There are many frustrating aspects to this game, turning a blind eye purely because this is a popular activity to gripe about doesn't make it any worse or better. If it was a bunch of people with fshzsffeaxcs type names, the contempt for it would be universal, and relentless.
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#51 Nov 26 2008 at 8:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I can't believe how many people are all "They shouldn't get banned for this!" over the subject.

People are right, there's been bannings and GM's stepping in for things less serious and less "hacking" related than this.

It doesn't matter if they didn't really "hack" anything, they took advantage of an obvious exploit of something obviously wrong with the game mechanics.

If you realize that you're suddenly getting triple drops off of something the first thought to go through your mind is going to be "omg no one tell SE" not "well that makes sense".

Just think back on all the old bannings for people exploiting game mechanics. I can recall only two off the top of my head at the moment, one involving RMT spam trading something random to the pankration jetton npc and another where some JP's found some npc goods that they could sell back for more than they bought it for.


It depends on how widespread it was. If a lot of endgame salvage shells were doing this across servers, banning people who did could cut a pretty large chunk of total population out of the game. At this point in FFXI, I don't think the game could take a large amount of player bans, mostly because players don't come back as easily as RMT do.

Maybe a suspension might be better, or locking offenders from salvage for a period of time. Just saying at this point we don't need a lot of permanent loss of players, if it was a common exploit.
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