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#1 Sep 07 2004 at 3:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Goldsmithing 0-60 (a discussion by Sarchar)


This guide is going to be designed using a rather different approach to leveling a craft.

Now, because every server's economy is different, there are going to be better and worse items to use for skilling up. Choosing an item to skillup on isn't very clear cut and can generally take a long time to decide what to do.

Hence this guide pops forward. I've spent the past month leveling up goldsmithing to 60 and doing a lot of research just so you can take my suggestions and use them yourself to level up goldsmithing.

Before Starting Goldsmithing
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There is some stuff you need to know about goldsmithing before you begin. First of all, it is considered by most to be the most expensive craft in the game. And, well, you're right. At level 50 some recipes will require about 300,000 G for just 12 synths. At level 60, expect around 800,000 G for 12 synths.

Goldsmithing is about pretty stuff, like rings, earrings, gems and jewels. Famous items from goldsmithing include the Beads that are used to make Elemental staffs, brass armor, silver
items, mythril weapons, gold armor, etc. A lot of rangers in the higher levels (55+) try to get their goldsmithing to at least 20 so they can make their own silver bullets. The list really goes on.

The insane amount of gil required to level goldsmithing is only a slight indication of how difficult a craft it can be. What makes a craft difficult is not really the gil investment, but the choice of recipes that is offered to you for skilling up and the availability of ingredients of your chosen skillup recipe. And,
I guarantee you that this craft is hard.

So should you decide to take on the challange, I hope this guide will give you enough information to push forward through the tough times.

What you will need
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Gil. And lots of it. Actually, there are plenty of times throughout your goldsmithing (herein after referred to as GS) career that you will profit. I will try my best to indicate this when possible.

So how much gil? Well, that all depends roughly on how serious and how patient you are. If you want to work with little gil, you will NEED a lot of a mules, preferably one in each city. You will need to walk a mule to Jeuno. Since GS prices are so different, you will find very quickly that the mules are so important.

You will need a list of goldsmithing recipes. You can find this on Allakhazam or MysteryTour. Even though I tell you which recipes to do, I do not generally tell you the specific ingredients. So you will need to look these up as I suggest
them.

It's also a good time to consider gardening for crystals and other materials. Search the Allakhazam.com forums for a good gardening guide.

The crystals you will be using are (in order of most-used): Fire, Wind, and Earth. Once you get high enough in GS you will eventually use Earth more to make the rings and earrings,
but during skillups, wind crystals will be used more often. Save these at every oportunity you get.

You will need a way to make money. Some people on my server camp the valkurm emporer for a week straight, then does GS for a few days. While I don't really condone camping NMs for
your main source of income, it is definitely an option. In either case, you will need a way to make 40-50k per day, usually by selling stuff overnight at the Auction House. At some point in the future, goldsmithing will become self-sustaining meaning selling some items will allow you to reinvest that money to skill up some more. But you will have to do the research into which items are profitable outside of the guide I have written.

As with any craft, if this is your 2nd or 3rd craft then it will be easier than the 1st. This is so true, in fact, that if you have not gotten your cooking to 60 on any character, then I strongly suggest you do so before starting Goldsmithing. The reason for this is experience! The more experience you have with crafting and understandin what to expect, the better off you will be!

Life will also be easier if you have Rank 5. Having the airship pass allows you entrance to the vendors that reside by the Airships. And, trust me, this will save you a lot of time and money. In fact, I find it so necessary, that I just assume you are going to be rank 5.


How my GS guide works
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At the beginning of every section I will put a level range. The level range should be understood as loosely stated. For example, if I said "5-10" as the level range, then it is perfectly ok to be at level 4 and use some of the synthesis in the said section.
But the upper level range "10" will almost always be the hard cap. You will not skill up past that level in the section.

I will then list several recipes that you can choose to skillup on, and I will make a decision about which recipe is the one I chose and why I believe it is the best of the available options. That recipe will be marked with two stars. This will be followed
with a general cost analysis (gernally numbers will not be used) as well as what you should do with the synthesized items. If you need synthesis support for the recipe, I will mark that next to the stars with "SUPP" meaning that "support is suggested."

The way I use support is as follows. I try to pick an item that is no more than 7 or 8 levels above my current skill. If it is more than 4 I will definitely get advanced support. Around 3 or 4 levels ahead I will likely get regular support just none at all. At less than 3 levels I just don't recommend getting support. I've noticed that skillups tend to decrease when I use support at that level range.

So let's begin...

===============BEGINNING
Level 0-3
Options:
1) Copper Ingot (yagudo bead necklace recipe)
2) Stone Arrowheads
3) Copper Ingot (copper ore recipe) **

I suggest you consider stone arrowheads only if you have some woodworking skill. Otherwise, if you do this recipe you will need to sell the arrowheads to NPCs, since the sell rate on these is rather low (on my server). You will lose money if you choose to do arrowheads.

Alternatively, you should make copper ingots and I do not suggest doing the yagudo bead necklace recipe. Save the yagudo bead necklaces and turn them in for norg fame, get your utsusemi scroll and use the money to invest in goldsmithing!

However, since you're Rank 5, you can ride the airship. Look at the regional map and find out who is in first place. Buy yourself about 4 stacks of fire crystals and take the airship to that country from Jeuno. Do not leave the airship area! Stop by the vendor and look at his goods. He's selling copper ore! Buy about 8 copper ore, do two synths, sort your invetory and repeat. You will fail some, but that's ok. I think the ores sell for about 9 gil.

By the time you are done, you should have about 3 or 4 stacks of copper ingots. This will have cost you about 1300-1800 gil. If you bought your fire crystals, add in another 6000-8000 gil. Generally the ingots sell for more than they cost to make, so if you stick them up on the Auction House you will make some money. In fact, you can continue to use this method to make money for a few levels.

However, I suggest you save a few stacks of copper ingots for the next stage.

This recipe will cap at 3 and I suggest you take it all the way to 3. You may or may not need to do more synths to reach the cap, it depends mostly on luck.

============BEGINNING part 2
Level 3-7
Options:
1) Copper Ring
2) Copper Hairpin **

You are welcome to choose the 3-7 range as stated here, or skip this section and do the BRASS part 1 section next at level 2 or 3.

Unfortunately there just isn't much of a choice here, just two items. I don't recommend doing the copper rings since they're worthless on the auction house (like 50-100 gil) and require two copper ingots. So do the copper hairpins. These again are pretty much worthless on the auction house, but at least they sell. They sell fast in San D'Oria and Windurst because the mage classes want them.

Alternatively, buy a few stacks of lightning crystals and desynth these badboys. It will give you a good taste of how successful (or not) desynthesis can be. You will also get some of your copper ingots back and can finally sell them at the AH.

You will probably lose a little bit of gil in this stage, but it shouldn't be very much since you grew your own fire crystals and are using the ingredients from the 0-3 stage, right?

============BRASS (learning goldsmithing)
Level 2-9
Options:
1) Brass Ingot **

If you choose to do this recipe before level 5, be sure to get advanced support.

There is almost literally no choice in what to do now. Like the BEGINNING stage, you will need to get several stacks of fire crystals and go to an airport shop and synth there for a while. But this time, you need to go to bastok and browse the bazaars or buy from the auction house (or even go mining) for zinc ore. It should cost some where around 300 gil, but thats just a rough estimate. Get about 12 of these and go to the airport shops, buy 6 copper ore at a time and make two brass ingots.

Now these things are good profit. In fact, better profit than copper ingots were. If you're making money from the copper ingots, start doing these instead. But again, I suggest saving the brass ingots for the next stage.

============BRASS part 2
Level 9-11
Options:
1) Brass Sheet **
2) Brass Cap

I don't recommend the brass cap recipe, simply because they sell rather slow and you will need to make 20-30 of them to gain 2 levels.

So take the ingots from the first BRASS stage and use them on a fire crystal to make sheets. Sheets sell on the auction house, albeit very slowly. You may have to relist them several times, but on my server they sell for a bit more than the ingots sell for.

This is a relatively simple stage, and you only lose money on the crystals if you bought them since you used the brass ingots from the first BRASS stage. Again, however, save the sheets for the next stage.

============BRASS part 3
Level 11-13
Options:
1) Brass Scales **

Take the sheets to a wind crystal and watch them turn into scales. The skill ups on these seem to be better (but that's just theory). You will need to do about 2 stacks of sheets, and dumping them to an NPC can be painful but you will have a very hard time selling these on the auction house.

From the sum of the 3 BRASS stages you will probably lose about 10-20K gil. I'm sorry.

============SILVER (mmmm money!)
Level 13-18
Options:
1) Brass Flowerpot (16 cap)
2) Brass Hairpin (17 cap)
3) Silver Ingot (18 cap) ** SUPP

This is actually a pretty fun stage since you will be making money! I chose to do the silver ingots simply because I needed to get used to the market and the making money part didn't sound so bad either.

Don't do the brass hairpin synthesis, it's a pretty big loss of money. They sell for about half the cost of ingredients, but do have a pretty good sellrate.

If you don't have flowerpots, now is a good time to make a few for yourself. Go buy the ingredients and make yourself some flowerpots :-D

Really, though, go to any auction house. I recommend the San D'orian AH because the silver beastcoins tend to be cheapest there. One stack of silver beastcoins makes 3 silver ingots.
Find out the price of silver ingots and try to buy silver beastcoin stacks at about the cost of 2 silver ingots. I suggest getting about 8 stacks of silver beastcons, and two stacks
of fire crystals and heading to the GS guild in Bastok. Pay for advanced support and crank out two stacks of silver ingots. Sell them on the Auction House for a pretty penny. They should sell overnight too!

Normally, I would recommend keeping the ingots for later, but like before there is good profit in selling the ingots.

============SILVER part 2
Level 18-20
Options:
1) Silver Ingot (20 cap) **
2) Colored Gems

I don't recommend doing the colored gems since 90% of the time the resulting items are useless. Instead, grab a few stacks of fire crystals and head down to the guild and do like you did at the airship vendors. Buy ~8 silver ores and make silver ingots.
If the guild runs out, run up to the Auction House, the price should be very similar.

You should reach level 20 goldsmithing in no time at all. Sell the ingots or keep them for the follow stages.

============BREAK

Now is a good time to take a break from goldsmithing and learn the market some more. Take a look at the items ahead of you and the items behind you and be proud of reaching level 20.

If you thought it was expensive so far, think again. Getting to level 30 is no easy task. The previous have only been minor road bumps, but up head are some very large mountains.

Be warned, that the next few stages will cost a lot of money. Also, this is where having some other craft could become very handy.

============SILVER part 3
Level 20-27
Options:
1) Silver Bullets (52 alchemy required. Caps at 24 GS)
2) Silver Arrowheads SUPP
3) Silver Hairpin ** SUPP

I actually did all 3 of these recipes. My first craft was alchemy, so I had it pretty high and was able to do silver bullets. I quickly found that I got very little skill from them.
However, they were a lot of profit. In fact, I could almost double my money. And the bullets sold pretty quickly too! So if you have 52 alchemy or about that, I would actually suggest this recipe until you hit about 22 or 23 goldsmithing.

Silver Arrowheads are very nice, but only if you can make your own arrows. If you can make your own arrows, then you will profit in this stage. Buy carnations and have them quivered and sell them in jeuno for a nice 5k profit per stack (or so). However, you will be making a LOT of arrows, and silver arrowheads have a very slow selling rate, especially quivers.

So, despite the profit avaialble from both (1) and (2), silver hairpin is by far the quickest and most painful way of reaching level 27 goldsmithin. The cheapest way here is to buy a ton of silver beastcoins, and make your own silver ingots. You will need about 5 stacks of silver ingots. Run them all through wind crystals making silver hairpins. Once you've make them all into hairpins (you will need a lot of storage space, send as many
as you can to mules), start desynthing them. Take a lightning crystal plus the silver hairpin and try to get those ingots back. Once you've got some desynthed, make the hairpins again. Repeat this process until you have capped 27.

You will more than likely lose close to 50,000 G during the desynthesis. But, congratulations you are over the first hill in goldsmithing.

============MISC 1
Level 27-31
Options:
1) Silver Ring
2) Hiraishin **
3) Thief's Tools (smithing and woodworking required)

This section is a little weird. You're currently inbetween silver and mythril stages and you've got to somehow bridge the gap. Silver Rings are possible, but they're a good way to waste your money. Theif's tools actually are a good synthesis, but the last time I looked, they sold very slowly.

In fact, hiraishin sold very slowly too, but for a very decent profit. Hiraishin is a cheap recipe, and you can either make your own copper and silver (recommended for the silver) or just buy it at the auction house. If you make your own, you will sell these in jeuno for a very nice profit.

This section can be somewhat tedious and slow and boring, but the money you will make should offset that feeling.

============SILVER part 4
Level 31-33
Options:
1) Silver Chain **
2) Mythril Ingot SUPP

Ok, so you're more than welcome to skip this part if you feel like you can handle a 7 level difference for the mythril ingots. However, to be safe I recommend making silver chains to 33. These are a nasty gil loss because they just will not sell at the auction house, so I had to sell them to NPC to get any form of gil back. I believe it was about 50% loss selling to NPC, but I got over it quickly.

============MYTHRIL part 1
Level 33-38
Options:
1) Mythril Ingot ** SUPP
2) Rings

Don't do the rings, because again, unless you can high quality these you're going to take a big gil hit. Moreover, you can actually make money synthing Mythril Ingots with the mythril beastcoin recipe.

You should use support on this until about level 35, where you won't need it anymore.

This is by far the most expensive stage in goldsmithing you've seen yet. A stack of mythril beastcoins is near 15000 Gil on my server and you need 4 of them for just one stack of ingots.
Expect it to take about 6 stacks to get you to 38. That's a whole lot of gil. But the best part is that these mythril ingots sell very nicely at the auction house (usually overnight),
but you may need to undercut. Sell these at the auction house like you did for the SILVER part 1 stage, but you will need to make more mythril ingots for use as ingredients later.

============MYTHRIL part 2
Level 38-40
Options:
1) Mytril Ingot **

This stage is very simple. Just get a few stacks of fire crystals and make yourself a ton of mythril ingots from the ore selling in bastok. There is generally about 50-100 ores for sale at any given time on my server, so you should do this stage very quickly. This time, you may want to save a stack of ingots for the next stage.

============MYTHRIL part 3
Level 40-41
Options:
1) Mythril Sheet **

Very simple, just turn one or two stacks of those ingots into sheets and sell them at the auction house. The sheets will take longer to sell than the ingots, but they will sell.

============MYTHRIL part 4
Level 40-43
Options:
1) Mythril Chain **

Again, a very simple recipe. Two stacks should be enough. These probably will never sell on the Auction House like the silver chains, so dump them to NPC for a horrible loss. Try to get over it, but you may want to go to bed and cry for a while. You'll feel better, trust me.

============BREAK 2

Okay, so you've come this far in goldsmithing. Wow, level 41. Definitely some hot ****, eh?

Well, you've got your work cut out for you, because the next section is by far one of the most painful sections of goldsmithing there is. It is both tedious, stressful and the only
thing you can possibly do is lose money, no matter which synthesis you choose.

Getting through the next section will require you to spend upwards of a million gil. The good part of that is that you will make most of it back, but nowhere near all of it.

I had about 430,000 gil to start this section. I ended up with around 260,000 gil left.

You will need lots and lots of patience or lots and lots of gil. Most of us don't have the gil so you will need to learn to have patience in this section. It will take at least a week if not more if you want to do this right.

Again, I cannot stress this any more, this section is very hard! Many, many, many goldsmiths have given up upon reaching these levels and you will soon see why.

============MYTHRIL part 5
Level 43-47
Options:
1) Mythril Ring ** SUPP
2) Silver Bangles
3) Earrings

Ok, just don't do (3) for the same reason as not doing rings in MYTHRIL part 1. You will lose money if you can't HQ them.

As for (1) and (2) there are huge debates on which you should do, and it entirely depends on the state of the economy on your server.

I chose to do mythril rings for the follow reasons. Firstly, the money you spend on making silver bangles and then desynthing them is almost entirely lost. You will spend around 500k and desynth and synth and eventually everything will be gone by desynthesis (somewhat an overexaggeration, but you will lose a good deal of money). Secondly, bangles just do not sell on the auction house. Thirdly, while you still lose money on mythril rings, you will
be able to sell them to the auction house to get at least 75% of your investment back.

It took about 50 mythril rings for me to get these 4 levels. That equates to about 100 mythril ingots, or 400 beastcoins. At 1200-1300 gil each, that's about 520,000 Gil. You will make about 75% back selling them at the AH and these puppies sell quick!

This is the best way to go in my opinion. Feel free to take silver bangles instead, if they look more appealing to you.

But ****, this is one very hard section. I suggest you do about 12 mythril rings, then sell them. Repeat this procedure for about a week and you should be at or near 47.

=============GOLD part 1
Level 47-51
Options:
1) Silver Bangles (cap at 49)
2) Gold Ingot (cap at 51) ** SUPP

Ok, so which would you rather do? Lose all your money, or make money? Exactly.

The problem with this part is that you will need about 300,000 gil for one stack of synths. "Oh my god!" You say. Yeah, I'm sorry. Fortunately for us, though, the gold ingots sell
at an insane profit. In fact, on my server I can make around 40-50k per stack. That means about a 20% profit. I go buy 48 gold beastcoins and make ingots and sell a stack. That's good money.

This section is very slow because the gold ingots take a few days to sell. But it's very nice seeing 300,000 G in your delivery box.

=============GOLD part 2
Level 51-53
Options:
1) Gold Ingot **

Same as before in the mythril and silver stages. Go sit in front the auction house buying gold ore for about 6000-7000 gil (try for less than 1/4th of a gold ingot price) and make ingots for 2 levels. This is a very simple stage, but will require a lot of investment. You should end up making money, though.

=============GOLD part 3
Level 53-55
Options:
1) Rings
2) Heater Shield
3) Gold Ingot (54 cap) **

If your server has gold nuggest for sale (probably in jeuno) then you are in luck, and will likely not lose much money. However, since the nuggest generally require high level alchemy they will be slightly more expensive than ores. But these capt a 54, so if you can get these to 54 and skip to the next section that would be the way to go.

If you can't manage to find gold nuggets, then this section sucks so bad. It's almost the suckiest section in this entire guide. Unfortunately there is not much you can do but lose money. You will need a bunch of mythril
rings like before, and then you will need gems. But, thankfully a lot of these gems stack, and you can get them for very cheap!

Do not buy the ingots to make mythril rings! Buy the mythril rings on the Auction House since it will be cheaper that way. You only need to do this for two levels, so the pain should
subside quickly.

=============GOLD part 4
Level 55-58
Options:
1) Gold Earring (cap at 57)
2) Gold Hairpin (cap at 58)
3) Hydro Patas (cap at 59) **

If you choose to make gold hairpins, do so because you have a lot of gil to spare. You will lose approximately 10000 Gil per synthesis on these things if you sell them back at the auction house. Otherwise, you could desynth them back ingot ingots. My choice, however, was to do several stacks of Hydro Patas. Shout in Jeuno and find someone who can make claws for you. You'll need a mid-level bonecrafter. Occasionally throw in the stack of gold hairpins if you don't mind the loss. Hydro Patas you can dump to NPC, but still manage to lose less money than on gold hairpins. The hairpins don't sell that fast (slower than the mythril rings did). You'll need twice as much gil to invest, and critical failures will be a bit more painful (losing two gold ingots), but hopefully you will get past this stage by taking your time.

=============PLATINUM part 1
Level 58-63
Options:
1) Platinum Ingot ** SUPP

Finally, more money. This is actually where you will want to do some gardening. Platinum ore is very expensive, and each synthesis will probably be about 80,000 gil depending on
your server. So, if you can grow your own platinum nuggets you could do the platinum nugget recipe for the ingot.

This stage will take a few weeks. It's the best you can do, I've looked. In fact, I would challenge everyone out there to find a better recipe.

You will make money with this, though. If you grow your own platinum, you will make a LOT of money. For example, I have three mules that I use to garden. I harvest, on average, 12.5 stacks of platinum nuggets which is equivelent to 25 synths of ingots. 25 ingots sell currently for about 1.875 million gil. Minus the cost of ores (24,000 each x 25 = 600,000) and the cost of tree cuttings (100,000 each stack x 3 = 300,000), I harvest roughly 900,000 G every week and a half. And I get some Goldsmithing skill while I'm at it ;).


Stay tuned for more updates as I progress past 60.

Conclusion
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As you can see, a good number of the sections above only list one or two items to choose from to skill up on. This is because of the difficulty of goldsmithing. However, if you perservere, you will make it.

I hope everyone has found this guide as fun to read as I have found it to write. Please leave me comments and suggestions. I will try to maintain the guide and eventually post some more information. As I get higher in goldsmithing, I would like to extend this guide to level 100.

Thanks in advance to the wonderful support from the Allakhazam community!


Edit: formatting and spelling, links
Edit: added more info to the last gold section

Edited, Fri Mar 25 09:25:03 2005 by Sarchar
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#2 Sep 07 2004 at 3:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Very detailed. Very nice.

I only have one suggestion. I see you have options listed for ranges. Combine the 3-7 range with the 7-9 range. I personally did brass ingots from 2--->9. Its by far the better recipe of the three and this way it still gives them the chance of choosing like your guide was originally structured to do. I think the idea of only doing brass ingots for 2 lvls is a complete waste of such a profitable item.

Thanks again for the guide.
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#3 Sep 07 2004 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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Fu[b][/b]ck Silver Bangles. Here I come Mythril Rings!

Superb guide. Probably saved me a good bit o' money. Well it will when the servers are back up anyway...

Edited because my fingers are drunk.

Edited, Thu Sep 9 13:33:55 2004 by Orikenus
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#4 Sep 07 2004 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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I am quite impressed with this guide! I'm not a goldsmither myself...but have long been interested in maybe starting it (to compliment my clothcrafting). All that money is something I don't have much of ^_^ But I will definitely keep this guide handy for when I do manage to start!

Just suggestions...It wuld be awesome if you could put the recipe to make the suggested items up there, or at least a link to them. I hate having to go look them up myself while I'm looking ta a guide (I do look at recipe lists and can make my own decisions! It's just I hate to have to leave the guide and search around to see just what is involved >.< )

Anyways, awesome, and thanks ^_^

Edit: I got rated down for saying it's a great guide and making a little suggestion...? ; ; I didn't think it was *that* bad...

Edited, Wed Oct 27 15:12:47 2004 by Rixie
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Thanks for all the suggestions everyone! I've already made a ton of changes and edits.

Please keep them coming!
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#6 Sep 07 2004 at 4:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Very nice post ^^

I expecially like the way that, nearly as much as you could write, was written w/o the useage of server based results.

A good example of this was some woodworking lvling I've been doing lately. I tried doing tarutaru folding screens starting at lvl 64 ><... (by desything the parchment from flutes) but quickly found at 8 lvls of diff gets me little skill with too many failures at these lvls. I knew this is nothing but a loss synth coming in (tarutaru rod memories /cry) but the little skill for the 2-3 hrs it took to do all the desynths was unbearable.
So I try the demon arrow synth that are a good 6-8k loss per stack at the ah prices at the time. Only soon after I start synthing demon arrows jump from 8k to 10k a stack on my server! That becomes break_even/profit with skill! (something that wont hold long on the ah :P)

Research suckors... and is one of the main difficulties in crafting is seems...
Thanks for making that eaiser ^^

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#7 Sep 07 2004 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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[********** Silver Bangles. Here I come Mythril Rings![/quote]

Good luck if you want to do Mythril Rings... Big losses there...

Silver Bangles = 3 silver ingots = 6k

Mythril Rings = 2 mythril ingots = 10k

Lets say you desynth the bangles back and you lose them all it isn't that bad as making the rings (and maybe you even get some silver ingots back ^^)... They sell around 5k so you will lose around 5k a synth...thats 50% on Asura



Edited, Tue Sep 7 17:23:19 2004 by Silverpolo
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#8 Sep 07 2004 at 4:31 PM Rating: Good
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Silverpolo wrote:

Good luck if you want to do Mythril Rings... Big losses there...

Silver Bangles = 3 silver ingots = 6k

Mythril Rings = 2 mythril ingots = 10k


I wrote the guide to give everyone a different option (so they could chose based on the state of the economy on their server).

On your server, and to your appeal, silver bangles might (and probably do) work better.

Let be give you a view of what it is like on Titan:

Silver Bangles = 3 silver ingots = 6k (2k/ingot)
Mythril Rings = 2 mythril ingots (~11k) (~5.5k/ingot)

But! Mythril Rings sell back at 8000. That's only a 3k loss. Sometimes I can get mythril beastcoins at 1k. That's break even.
With 100% crit failure you lose 6k per synth on silver bangles. You lose ~2-3k per synth on mythril rings. Granted you won't always get crit failures and you will get a lot of silver ingots back. It's very likely that the two recipes (depending on server, again) end up costing about the same.

Again, like I said this is the subject of a big debate and it depends entirely on your own servers economy.

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Same as before in the mythril and silver stages. Go sit in front the auction house buying gold ore for about 6000-7000 gil (try for less than 1/4th of a gold ingot price) and make ingots for 2 levels. This is a very simple stage, but will require a lot of investment. You should end up making money, though.


Lucky for you. Gold ingots sell at a loss if you use gold beastcoins and break even if you use ore (loss again with nuggets) on my server. Ofcourse, with breaks and crystal costs any of those recipes ends up being a loss.

It is worse with lvl 55 mythril rings, ingredients are 10k for ring and 2k to 9.5k depending on gem choice. The finished rings sell for 3k or 5k for the rings requiring 9.5k gems.

Feel lucky if you can profit on gold and platinum ingots.
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#10 Sep 07 2004 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
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Cutculain wrote:

Lucky for you. Gold ingots sell at a loss if you use gold beastcoins and break even if you use ore (loss again with nuggets) on my server. Ofcourse, with breaks and crystal costs any of those recipes ends up being a loss.

It is worse with lvl 55 mythril rings, ingredients are 10k for ring and 2k to 9.5k depending on gem choice. The finished rings sell for 3k or 5k for the rings requiring 9.5k gems.

Feel lucky if you can profit on gold and platinum ingots.


That's a good point you make. However, it is extremely difficult to give a profitable recipe across all servers. In either case, it is not very likely you're going to find a better synth, even on your server where gold ingots could be a loss.

Is that wrong too?
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I'm currently Goldsmithing lvl 48, so I'd like to comment on the Silver Bangles vs. Mythril Rings and Gold/Platinum Ingot debate...

First, on my server, (Pandemonium), the scenario is much like Cutculain described about Carbuncle. It made more sense to craft Silver Bangles because they had a 2-6K loss vs. 5-11k Mythril Rings.

Gold Ingots, also, like Cutculain described, will be crafted at a loss of at best 3k per synth and at worst 33k. Whether or not there are better synths around this level is unclear. I have heard jeweled earrings? are good? Maybe someone can comment...

As stated, I'm only 48.. a bit stuck myself, but I recommend having a "bankroll" of much more than 300K to venture near and beyond GS lv. 50. If you want a number, and you don't know exactly what you're doing & aren't prepared to wait/play the market for weeks, months, maybe a year, I wouldn't go past 40 w.o. at least a million in straight cash to lose. That's right, lose, just on raising skill points. However, it can be done, I started goldsmithing w. ~100K dedicated and am @48, but like Sarchar said.. It's not easy.

Good luck, hope someone benefits from this advice.. and if anyone has any tips on something better than gold ingots...

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Zoku wrote:


Good luck, hope someone benefits from this advice.. and if anyone has any tips on something better than gold ingots...

-Zoku


I'm going to do a little more research on what to do around lv50. Servers are always different, but I want to see what else is available instead of gold ingots. I will try to update again sometime later this week. *slaps teh update*

I only quickly chose gold ingots because they were insanely profitable on my server. I should have at least looked for an alternative so that the general populace has other items to choose from.

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not to /bump but I added a few more changes to the gold section. I'm not getting enough suggestions! please post!
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I'd like to hear your thoughts/suggestions on skillups from 60-100. I got from lvl 12 to 55 in about 4 days and I can't find much of anything past the platinum stage.
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I'm going to assume you're exactly at level 60...

Here are my thoughts:

from 60-64 do platinum ingots via the nugget recipe, should be cheap since you can grown your own nuggets.

the next choice is either platinum earring, ring, or gold bangles; and both know how bad silver bangles were. my suggestion is to do the platinum earring recipe. they will probably not sell to fast, but my suspicion is that you will not lose _that_ much gil on it.
do that to 68.

Once you get your next rank at 68, things change a great deal. For goldsmithing you are no longer going to be doing massive number of synths at one time..you will probably do 1-2, maybe 3 per day hoping for a 0.1.

the nobles crown (cap at 72) is profitable on my server, but they sell so **** slowly. you should check what they sell for to npc. make 2-3 of these per week. the other option is the Ashura. relatively cheap ingredients (gold ingot and thread) and an uchigatana. I don't know how well these sell for, you should check your server. Alternatively, you could make a few rings. The sun and moon ring both sell very very well on my server. This should bring you to about 74.

The gold buckler seems to be one of the chepest synths at this level. You should make 5-10 per week, depending on how fast they sell. Try to get to at least 78 on these alone.

The next stage will be purely earrings. death earrings sell _VERY_ well on my server. Get to about 83 doing earrings.

I don't suggest doing the beads for skillup because they're very expensive synths, however the one i am gonna recommend is even more expensive. ONLY DO THE BEADS if you know a high level woodworker that could possiblye HQ staves and share profit with you.

Orichalcum ingots will take you to 89, expensive and profitable, at least on my server. YOu could then do jeweled collars to 90.

Orichalcum rings are a great way to get to 92, but i suggest saving as many as you can because you will need them getting higher.

All the lv95 rings require platinum rings, do those. relatively cheap compared to what you are used to.

from 95 to 100 you should do the orichalcum rings.

There you go^^; just remember this is just my first glance over what you should do past 60, I have not tested any of it -- things just seem to work out like this.


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Depending on your server's economy and your friends' chosen trade skills, don't neglect mythril items--mythril cuisses, mythril gauntlets, and so forth. Making a combination of mythril cuisses and platinum ingots took me to 60 relatively painlessly, but that was helped out by the fact that I have a network of friends who are doing lower-level goldsmithing and gain skill from mythril sheets which they're willing to sell me fairly cheaply. I also have a friend who's working on his smithing; the mythril gauntlets, which require a darksteel sheet, are a break-even synth for me thanks to his willingness to make me the sheets for free if I send him the materials. In return, he gets skill-ups and +1 jewelry for all his lower-level jobs. It's a win-win situation.

For anyone who's getting discouraged with goldsmithing around level 50-55, as I did, stick with it. At level 60, I can now spit out the HQ versions of onyx and opal earrings like a Pez dispenser and have a fairly good shot at HQ versions of first-tier gem rings (balance, courage, and so forth). I still mine for raw materials, but my crafting alone can support me; no more farming! Also, when I take my little lowbie jobs out, I am the best-dressed newb in Valkurm. ;D

This is an excellent guide, Sarchar; thank you! This is going to help a lot of folks considering goldsmithing as a trade career.
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Wow, lylia! Thank you for the words of encouragement!
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Nice guide! Added to the Tradeskills Guides FAQ.
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Thanks popsi! I was dying inside just waiting to find out if I'd make it onto your list of guides!

Thanks a million!
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Options for mythril rings are available of course. Initially I was buying mythril beastcoin singles for 1k each which was adding up to 4k per ingot. Rings would sell for 8k and I could easily break even sans crystal cost.

Well, at level 43 last night I decided to take a swing on desynthing shop bought mythril earrings. I went 8/8 with 5HQs on earthsday (perhaps 43 is sweet spot for desynthing these), so I got 13 ingots for 36k at the shop. So, in theory, I got to make 12k reselling the rings to the higher level goldsmithers on AH.

Of course whether rings or bangles, this level grind still sucks. :) Can't wait until 80k per synth platinum. Fun!
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Very nice guide; quite a lot of information besides "This is what I think you should synth at these levels". Good introduction too; I've come to realize that mules are a big help in any craft.

I skipped the whole brass sheets/scales debacle. No one buys the scales, and you have to sell them to an NPC for nothing, so every guide I've seen complains about this stage. By the time I had skilled up to 9, I had a few stacks of Brass Ingots. I then skilled up to 9 in Bonecraft by making (too many) Bone Arrowheads. Since this guide can take you into Silver Arrows later, it's not bad to do Bone Arrows at this early stage; you can level RNG at the same time if you like (for bigger Wide Scan if nothing else). GS and wood combine nicely to synth Thief's Tools too, which is appealing to me (only done chests so far, but every tool has worked on the first shot; 2 RSE and 1 random one in Delkfutt's Tower).

Cornette = Wind Crystal + Bone Chip + Brass Ingot. You would have had to buy the Wind Crystals to make the scales anyway, and on my server, they cost less than the Fire Crystals needed to make sheets. Bone chips are pretty cheap too. You can fly over to Windurst, get Bonecraft support, and synth Cornettes from 9-14. This raises both Bone and GS (which I see as a benefit). The reason you do this with Bonecraft is that you turn these in for the Mandragora Mad quest and 200 gil per Cornette.

I don't know how much NPCs give you for the scales, but this seemed like the way to go to me. You're raising 2 skills, getting a bit of gil back, and raising Windurst fame. The other repeatable quest that people usually recommend for Windurst fame, Sardines, is annoying because you have to zone in between each one. Cornettes are only annoying because they don't stack, and you're solving that by synthing them on the spot.

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#22 Sep 10 2004 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks a lot for the tips, rate up :)
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Very nice, I imagine I'll start this when I get my WHM to 36 and can get some easy gil doing teleports in Jeuno.
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I personally started making Silver Chains at lvl 27, and succeeded most of the time with support. As far as what to do with them, hold time til you get to 32 or 33, then make Chain Belts from them. Break the Chain Belts down into silver ingots, and sell what you get to the AH. Thats best way to get as many skillups as possible for your materials in my opinion.
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I have just started crafting gold ingots (great guide by the way) and a suggestion I might make to those who are crafting gold ingots using beastcoins. Purchase the beastcoins from the AH in Jeuno. On my server the coins sell for 85k a stack in the Bastok AH, in Jeuno they sell from 73-75 which is profitable profitable although they sell slow. Also if you care to just break even gold ingots sell 300k for a stack in Jeuno (again on shiva server) and a lot faster than in Bastok although you gain a lot more profit in Bastok (330-340k a stack) UGH I hate how slow its going now a days... =( I am still trying to figure out how to make some money doing this craft... at the best I seem to be breaking or making a small profit which I then spend right away making lower level items for the Guild points to purchase Gold Smithing gear ^^ !!! Any pointers on what makes gil please share with your fellow goldsmiths. Thanks !

Id also love to see a server to server comparison on the cost of crafting items.

SHIVA server (Bastok) Jeuno
Silver Ingots (12) 24,000 24,000
Mythril Ingots (12) 72,000 70,000
Gold Ingots (12) 330-340k 300,000

never checked the other cities but I will tonight and update this post. Thanks.
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Wow I wish I was on your server. Gold beastcoins are 90k on my server in jeuno. Gold ingots sell for 350k a stack, but they pretty much never sell (1 stack a week maybe 2). And individual gold ingots go for the horrendous price of 27k. So its about a 39k loss a stack with no failures. Then ore is even worse, costing typically 8k a piece, for a loss of 63k a stack if all synths are successful. Gravymonky if you are interested in profit think consumables. There is good money here, but I won't say more. Also since every site says the beastcoin synth caps at 51 I guess it must, but I hit 50 and synthed a stack without a single skillup (no synth support).
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