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When do I craft to MAX Skill ups.. The AnswerFollow

#177 Jan 02 2006 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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If anyone hasn't been bothered to take this all in or would like an easier description of this (i assume either by the same person or this guide was nicked from this site/vice versa ... i don't care) then go here:

http://ffxi.lokyst.net/timer/crafttimer.html

It goes along the same kind of thing as the Vana'Diel Clock (which is an outside program that tells you when airships are arriving, days for RSE ... etc)

This site is awesome... go there!
#178 Jan 19 2006 at 1:50 AM Rating: Good
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... and there is much gil involved, so i guess it is like blackjack
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#179 Feb 17 2006 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I made this calc based on this thread quite some time ago (and thus some of the values are based on incorrect info). The Lightsday and Darksday directions ALWAYS give a +/-1 accordingly, which I am not confident is correct. The values are left in for lightning crystals although they do not seem to work the same as mentioned above by other posters. Advanced Synth support is considered a +2 by the calc instead of +3 (and free support +1). I have source code for this thing, but you will need C++ Builder 5 Enterprise Edition (C++ Builder 6 Personal WILL NOT work) or better to complile it. I will link to my LS Homepage, and you can find the calculator under downloads. If you have anything to say, post on my LS forums as I do not come on Alla often. I am not a serious crafter, but I saw a mathmatical formula to make a program out of, and I did it :P
On that note, I have been told by the crafters in our LS that this program has helped out, and has helped them to internalize this formula more than anything. My version does not spoon-feed you what you should do to get skill-ups, you just provide the applicable data and it gives you the resulting number from Purplenv's formula, with a quick guide on the side copied directly from the OP (with due credit given). I didn't post this up before because I was worried about bandwidth useage on our LS site, so please do not abuse our servers.

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Edited, Fri Feb 17 14:30:57 2006 by bluekirby
#180 Apr 05 2006 at 6:25 AM Rating: Good
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Regarding your own skill level, does the use of GP items such as tanners gloves or alchemists apron affect your skill level in your calculations?
#181 Apr 06 2006 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Your actual skill level when used in calculating gap differences yes, but it does not work for the 5 below cap break skill limit. eg Karimat Arrowheads cap at 79, your current skill is 72+2. Your actual skill versus the cap will be 5. But you still cannot gain skill from breaks.
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#182 May 03 2006 at 11:25 PM Rating: Decent
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dunno if this was already posted but use this theory with this crafting time http://ffxi.lokyst.net/timer/crafttimer.html
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#183 May 04 2006 at 8:07 AM Rating: Default
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#184 May 04 2006 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Purplenv wrote:
Rebel against the IGE revolution.
(Theory removed)


Let's see who the first person to repost your theory is.

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#185 May 04 2006 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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PEnv - much as I respect your stance (and to a certain extent, agree with it), it really is entirely possible that a third party, unrelated to both the IGE umbrella company/IGE and Allakhazam is the purchaser of both groups (just as it's JUST as likely it was IGE's parent that bought out Allakhazam).

While my guides were never stickied, they'll stay put until we know, for certain, who the purchaser is. IF it's the IDE parent, them I'll be nuking my guides. Until then, they stand.
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#187 May 05 2006 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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DarkSendra wrote:
By removing your guide you're not hurting IGE or Alla or anything.

You're only hurting the members of this site new and old. We're not all of a sudden gilbuyers or anything.
On a side note, if you feel the sudden need to remove your guide, it would be helpful if you provided a link to wherever you decide to host it next. Feel free to protest and all, but I agree with the above poster that removing the information altogether deprives the FFXI community of what was assumedly a good guide. Only my opinion.
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#188 May 07 2006 at 5:34 AM Rating: Decent
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By removing your guide you're not hurting IGE or Alla or anything.

You're only hurting the members of this site new and old. We're not all of a sudden gilbuyers or anything.


And my guess is... that would be the point. By no longer providing this guide, users of Allakhazam (both new and old) will now have to find the information elsewhere. And the poster, I'm assuming, would like that to be somewhere other than Allakhazam.
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#189 May 08 2006 at 1:35 AM Rating: Decent
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VerykS wrote:
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By removing your guide you're not hurting IGE or Alla or anything.

You're only hurting the members of this site new and old. We're not all of a sudden gilbuyers or anything.


And my guess is... that would be the point. By no longer providing this guide, users of Allakhazam (both new and old) will now have to find the information elsewhere. And the poster, I'm assuming, would like that to be somewhere other than Allakhazam.


Well the problem would be, how to find the new resting place for the theory? I suppose a Google search might work, but if it can't be found that way? Tough luck, I guess. Everyone else is on their own.
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#190 May 08 2006 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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#191 May 09 2006 at 3:04 AM Rating: Default
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Nice to see this helpful guide got jacked over the IGE ********* /sarcasm off

You really are a childish **** for pulling this...
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#192 May 09 2006 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Pitlourde wrote:
I reposted the guide here http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=24;mid=1146770931295596489;num=10;page=1

Rate me up, down or sideways. The guide lives.



Wow. So if the OP didn't want it posted anymore, you steal it instead? That's incredibly low of you.
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#193 May 09 2006 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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Wow. So if the OP didn't want it posted anymore, you steal it instead? That's incredibly low of you.


He cited the source. The only thing is, reposting the information which is very useful to the entire FFXI community is not as low as completely erasing it after it's been used as near-gospel for over a year. Pointing new players to a location that's empty seems pretty low which is what would happen since this thread is still in the sticky last I looked.

Edit: Just looked at the sticky and I'm showing that yes this thread is still linked from it. Any new player who is refered to the sticky for the common question of "how do i get skill ups" will find an empty post saying "Gone Forever".

Copying information and giving credit almost immediately after it was deleted seems better than someone else copy and pasting from a different site and taking credit for it themselves. Sadly, even if Pitlourde hadn't done what he did, someone else would have with in a month and might not have been as respectful to the original author.

Edited, Tue May 9 14:04:37 2006 by Unholyllama
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#194 May 10 2006 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't say 'near gospel'. The idea of a net and gross crafting skill affecting skill ups in a markedly different way is far from unanimously accepted. Especially considering direction is given as one of the influences, which is most certainly not agreed on universally by the crafting community.

Of course, the guide has been around for a while and the following discussion has been just as beneficial as the origianl post in gathering facts and establishing a dialogue. Having said that, if the author didn't want the information here I think we should respect that.
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#195 May 12 2006 at 12:54 AM Rating: Decent
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both. if u use a fire crystal on watersday it is better than on any other day. and if u use water crystal on a firesday then THAT is better than any other day
#196 May 15 2006 at 3:06 PM Rating: Default
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The week I removed this guide, I was thanked by half a dozen people for my contribution to the FFXI crafting community.

The theory exists outside of Allakhazam.

Would I have removed the post, and not posted a link, without knowing that the exact same information can be easily found across the internet? Nope.

The theory lives. If in nothing else, but the timer that makes it so you don't even have to think.
#197 May 24 2006 at 12:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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The week I removed this guide, I was thanked by half a dozen people for my contribution to the FFXI crafting community.


/slap

Thanks for striking blows at the community.

For those of you looking for the original post; pitlourde reposted it.

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#198 Jun 24 2006 at 4:00 AM Rating: Default
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Well im kinda late on finding this post.

ive currently taken 3 crafts to 60 and 1 to 40. testing theories.

first i noticed that Purple said 3 = sweet spot. yes and no.
and staying within the sweet spot for skill ups would be a no brainer.

i noticed with bonecraft 4 levels below the cap. which would be just outside of the sweet spot seemed better to me then being 3 levels below of the cap which would be "inside" of the sweet spot.

now with leathercraft i noticed that the sweet spot was PRIME for crafting and getting skill ups, 3 levels = perfect. but it was hard to stay in sweet spot because alot of the crystals were dark and lights day to cancel that out was hard to come by. i estimated crafting every other day on lights day with darks crystals to stay in sweet spot.

another was clothcraft. cloth seemed to be best 2 levels below cap, and sometimes 4 levels below. depending. the sweetspot just supplied me with success rate, not so much on the skill ups though. this could just be that the craft is hard to skill up.

the other was gold. gold seemed to be GREAT 5-6 levels away. you break. and dont lose anything. "AND" still skill up. so for those who want to synth but dont want to dump off stuff go 5-6 levels above, u break and dont lose any materials. or very few.

i decided i wanted to have someone else try my theory.

a buddy took up cooking and explained to me this so called "Sweet spot" before i had even said anything. so i played stupid and said "explain" he began telling me that cooking was GREAT 6 levels blelow cap and to my amazment my theory and everyone elses is VERY CORRECT. if anyone is good with math take up another craft 1-60 make a chart. with level cap. level. direction. moon. crystal. day. and success / breaking. then knock out some of the facters that cancel eachother and see ur % on skill ups.
you will be AMAZED like i was. to see just what the sweet spots of crafts are. also i tested that lightning energy moghancment thing. well lets just say if ur looking for HQ stick with new moons. i tried on a 68% moon the other day and noticed that i got 1/7 HQ and 7/8 NQ when im 60 levels above cap. i know it made no sense to me either. but if anyone wants to explain the desynthing moghancment to me, send me a private message i would much appreciate it.

on the other hand i tried moghancment earth energy and check out HQing bone masks. just to make sure i was 100% correct. i started on earths day 50% waxing whatever lol. 1 with and 1 without. first session was 24 synths of bone masks 7/24 was my HQ rate without moghancment. with it on the other hand was 11/24 that might not be large enough to decifer but i dont have enough money ATM to do 100 synths lol sorry guys! but so far looks like that theory is correct.

i do however have my own theory.. EASY WAY PAST EXPENSIVE SYNTHS.. if anyone dare to test this out. please do and lemme know if its correct. from the looks of this u can get - skill from day, direction, moon yada yada yada and so forth. i was thinking if im 50 and cap is 50. can i face wrong directions for more skill ups on cheap synths.. the way i found this out. was the other day making Scorpion rings just for fun, i was partying and got a few scorpion shells so i decided id synth them. well.. 60 cap. im level 61. i got a skill up?? i was facing away from the direction (FOR HQ) and no clue what the moon or day was. i got a 0.2 meaning either the cap is wrong. or my theory is right.

ive also been taking a look trying to help people save money in crafting. "SO" i took up smithing 1-36 i think i am now. and did the whole moghancment desynthing quest thinger majigger and got lightning energy. well.. i took 150k out of curiosity and started fooling around. i desynthed "EVERY" synth that i made. and i made sure i did it on new moon so higher success rate. 1. i found out that u can HQ on ANY desynth even if ur level 1. -.- dont try to prove me wrong. u just need to be lucky. cause i got a HQ the other day and i was 7 levels below cap lol. well back on track for 1 i saved ALOT of money. because my success on desynths was REALLY nice. and id only advise this for say. materials that cost more then a stack of lightning crystals lol if u desynth a material that costs 500gil and u buy a stack of lightning crystals to desynth them over and over ur just wasting money eheh. so for 1 people taking up gold making gold rings from gold ingots. and wanting to desynth them. id HIGHLY suggest even a try because gold rings sell for 4k on my sever and to make them it costs 100k + to make because single ingots are 120k EACH. well and heres the bad part. yeah yeah sure HQ rings on my server are worth 500k but guys peep the last time things have sold.. dont be like me i HQ a brd horn the other day that no one wants cause its useless so i had to drop it -.- well back on track again if u successfuly desynth all ur rings u can average 1/3 more materials for synths so if u do 100 synths ull get about 33 ingots back and if u synth those ull get about 10 ingots back over all saving ALOT of money.
that would make ur desynthing average 45/100 ESTIMATE i do this now with bonecraft. like synthing rings. i just desynth them on new moon lightning day and moghancment desynth and BAM! i get most of my materials back. this is how u see JP people taking crafts up off like 10mil. my buddy told me he took up goldsmithing to 68 off 11mil i was like ******** dude. but nope hes very right.

so the point said there is get moghancment desynthing quest done and lightning energy moghancment and desynth EVERY synth you make. cause im sure ur either going to NPC or just drop it like an idiot and waist 5k here and 2k there which adds up in the end lol 'BE SMART GUYS' GL crafting to all of u.

if you tried any of my theories posted PLEASE private message me, i dont check forums often, also rate me highly please cause i know this has helped someone out there :)
#199 Sep 03 2006 at 5:03 PM Rating: Default
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Can sumone explain this theory to me again? I opened this post and saw the main post was edited and has no info in it anymore.


Can sumone maybe sum it up for me so i know what this post is about, and I may indulge in the skill ups as well? I got to this post through lokyst's crafting timer, and i notice the variables and such, but i don't know how you figure all this.


im doing WW, i am trying to do bodkin arrows, my skill is 62.8 the skill cap is 68, i dont understand which way to face, when to craft for the skill ups, or anything at all really. I came back to WW again after about 3 months, and now i just basically face any direction, and craft whenever i can, not waiting for a certain moon phase. I just really would like to know how to get skill ups fast...i mean, thats what this post was explaining right?

thanks again!

Edited, Sep 3rd 2006 at 6:07pm EDT by PavkoLak
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#200 Sep 05 2006 at 4:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Here is the original post:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=24;mid=1146770931295596489;page=1#1148492496267841609

HINT: look at the last few posts before yours.
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#201 Apr 26 2007 at 10:18 PM Rating: Default
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ok, so on the crafting timer, is the number - supposed to be higher or lower for best ratio and results of hq? i dont understand it.
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