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#1 Aug 24 2004 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/journal2.html?user=327216&mid=1091690977801102430

this is a post that i ripped from the unofficial siren forum

if this is happening on your server too..... there is somethin g we true whms can do. People are getting angry at us. I find it unfair that a few people who find whm as a money making oportunity ruins it all for us. :(
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#2 Aug 24 2004 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Interesting post, but I don't have a problem with a little thing called inflation... If anyone else reads it (and I hope you do), Chacham here has the best post in the entire thread! SHE makes an excellent point of how we are expected to have all this high end gear/spells (I hope Erase comes to mind) without the ability to farm like Melees.

I understand why people are mad at us for raising their prices, but that's just the way it is. They should walk a mile in our shoes before they judge us.

EDIT: SHE wanted me to change it to a SHE... ;-)

Edited, Tue Aug 24 15:22:04 2004 by Iamadam
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#3 Aug 24 2004 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
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Wow 1k? I should start charging that!

Haha, ok but in all honesty now, if you do not agree with the price walk/chocobo your asses to your destination. The original poster said he did not have the time nor the patience to lvl a whm. **** yeah, what do you think us whm did? Give me a break guys, Whm do not log on to teleport you around to make your day brighter. We are human beings too, and I for one have never nor will ever shout the teleport shouts. I go about my game doing my own business and if I get bugged for a teleport I can charge whatever I want to charge.

Now if I see someone needing help or yelling and no one is teleporting I will pick them up, and take them to where they need to go. I charge the "Standard" prices that a tele-***** whm would charge, no more no less.

Quit being ridiculous and talking about "If we do not raise or cure, we won't voke!". I never expect someone to voke a mob off of me. Is it appreciated? Of course it is, and I try and throw a cure to someone who needs it too. I do not charge for that, but I do charge for raises if I am bugged to do it. I do occasionally throw out a free raise depending on the situation though as well.

It is a game, people are going to do what they want, sub what they want, play how they want. Don't like it? Just ignore them and move on.

Edited, Tue Aug 24 15:12:54 2004 by Poyoloco
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#4 Aug 24 2004 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Chacham here has the best post in the entire thread! He makes an excellent point.....



*blush* cha is a she not he lol.

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I charge the "Standard" prices that a tele-***** whm would charge, no more no less.


WOW and you are a whm?
where do you find your money? are you a high lvl thf? or do you farm with friends? Certainly calling me a tele-***** must have some reason.... I teleport whenever i have free time and there is no one available.

then again this tele-***** you might be refering to would be the players that only lvl whm for teleports.

Either way i found that comment offensive and your tone to egomaniac and elitist if im wrong please, chastise this "tele-*****" for honestly i cant find another way to efficiently farm for my money to pay for spells that OTHER people need.

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#5 Aug 24 2004 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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*blush* cha is a she not he lol.


No problem babe, changed and updated ;).

-Yes, "Tele-*****" is offensive. It makes me a sad panda... :(
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#6 Aug 24 2004 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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O btw.... before anyone mentions it..
Crafting

I know you can make money off of this but...GIVING money to reach a lvlvand MAKE money ( on the long run as well :( ) it just... it dont seem right @_@ at least for me.

Atm im saving for almost all the things i listed on the original post ; ; Crfating will just blow a hole in anyones piggy bank you know :(
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#7 Aug 24 2004 at 2:32 PM Rating: Default
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Tele-***** is referenced to the people who spam that they are teleporting and the price they charge. I am sure you have seen them, and there is nothing wrong with it. Some people just have alot of time to waste on their hands.

There is so much more to do then sit around and teleport people for gil. Go mine, log, craft. You think you see people walking around with 7 million items from teleporting people? No they craft and make millions at a time.
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Certainly calling me a tele-***** must have some reason.... I teleport whenever i have free time and there is no one available.

I did not call you a tele-*****, I just used the term. As for the free time remark. I do not have much time to play this game, so when I do get on I have purpose. I lvl up with my RL friends, or I mine and craft. You will rarely see me teleporting in jeuno or anywhere for that matter. Unless of course it is a friend or LS mate.

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Either way i found that comment offensive and your tone to egomaniac and elitist if im wrong please, chastise this "tele-*****" for honestly i cant find another way to efficiently farm for my money to pay for spells that OTHER people need.


Ok I will apologize if you took/read that response the wrong way, but as for calling me an egomaniac and eleitist here is what I think of that. This quote from another forum serves it up best:

"You can call us elitist pricks and fun-bashing idiots... but when it comes down to it you're nothing but leeches and selfish brats who don't think of anyone but themselves at the party's expense"

I am not an elitist, but the people I play with (RL friends) have this game down to an art. It is so much more fun when you play and kill beastmen with such efficiency as my static does.

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#8 Aug 24 2004 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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#9 Aug 24 2004 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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Tele-***** is referenced to the people who spam that they are teleporting and the price they charge. I am sure you have seen them, and there is nothing wrong with it. Some people just have alot of time to waste on their hands.

There is so much more to do then sit around and teleport people for gil. Go mine, log, craft. You think you see people walking around with 7 million items from teleporting people? No they craft and make millions at a time.




erm... you arent fixing the definition of "tele-*****" you are only making it worse....

and as for the crafting.... :) see the post above ours


Btw this came out as a double post ( **** 56k modem ; ;)
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#10 Aug 24 2004 at 2:42 PM Rating: Default
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erm... you arent fixing the definition of "tele-*****" you are only making it worse....


That is the definition of tele-*****, sorry if you do not like it. It is like people who do not like the definition of stupid or dumb. Truth hurts sometimes.

If you do not want to craft you do not have to. If you do not want to tele-*****, you do not have to either. No one makes you do anything in this game. Us whm only have us to blame if we do not like the terms people give us.
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#11 Aug 24 2004 at 2:42 PM Rating: Default
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The thing is...although I think people should be free to charge what they need, I am not very open to the whole poor little whm this is the only way we can make money argument. When I was about lvl 30 or so I mined, it was a steady source of reliable income once I got the equipment. I got tired of all the competition and gave that up, which posed the problem of how to make up for it...then I started fishing, and it helped until they gimped the vendor price for rusty caps. I didn't have the patience to really develop my fishing skill, so I quit that. Then I found gardening..sweet gardening lol. Then after making good money off that, everyone started making the same item I was...but I still do it. And I'm trying to outfit my character for farming so I can supplement that income somewhat. And sure I teleport some too. Also don't underestimate the value of drops from leveling, as you rise in levels you make a little more money off of those too. And if you have the occassional BCNM run that is also nice.

So I guess my point is there are definitely other ways to make money, don't think that just because you can't farm, or at least farm as well as melees, that you are stuck teleporting people all the time for cash. It's just a question of what you're willing to do. :)
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#12 Aug 24 2004 at 2:47 PM Rating: Default
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So I guess my point is there are definitely other ways to make money, don't think that just because you can't farm, or at least farm as well as melees, that you are stuck teleporting people all the time for cash. It's just a question of what you're willing to do. :)


Great argument Erastus. Whm need to quit whining about not being able to farm and deal with it. Survival of the fitest, evolution even. We were not given the innate ability to farm, so we find other things to do.
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#13 Aug 24 2004 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
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That is the definition of tele-*****, sorry if you do not like it. It is like people who do not like the definition of stupid or dumb. Truth hurts sometimes.



trying to block the sun with your hand will only make your arms hurt. Tele-*****, my argument is that its a hurtful "definition" its like calling a sub jobless rank 1 person n00b or newb.... just cuz YOU think its right doesnt mean that it wil lnot hurt. being tactful is definetly a plus on this game.

And as for the crafting issue.... there are people who do not have time to do fame quest for the teleport scrolls.... then there are people who dont have time to SPEND the money and go crafting, just because of limit breaks AF hunts bcnms statics..... skill ups..... i may go on

I even sound stuburn while stating this :( its not my intention at all but if the money issue handnt started after 40+ believe me i would have started doing one of these things... bad enough all the skills ( except fishing) are at zero.... :( bad bad bad this is why i point out the spending of money to get ahead.

And on the item drops after lvl 40 yes you can make money off of those. :) its even better when your party members pass on certain items ( i.e silks ) to help you form a stack quicker.

And seeing what Erastus posted.... the forcing of moving from craft to craft to be able to not stay behind with the income.... this is what is happening with teleports... which is the original purpose of this thread.

players lvling whm just to have teleports and creating spikes on the set prices.

competition can be ugly but when done recklessly its just down right wrong...




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#14 Aug 24 2004 at 3:07 PM Rating: Default
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its like calling a sub jobless rank 1 person n00b or newb...


No they just are not living up to their potential. There is a difference between a noob, and an incompotent person. I was a noob once, not a ignorant person who did not take tips from people who knew the game. Even now I still try and learn everything I can.

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there are people who do not have time to do fame quest for the teleport scrolls....


Then buy them. I for one quested my teleports and had no problems and it did not take very long at all. Plus face it, fame is needed for alot of things later on. Why not do it now and get it out of the way? You are just delaying the inevitable by buying the scrolls and skipping the fame. TRUST me, if you have time to teleport, you have the time to raise fame. Quit being lazy.

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competition can be ugly but when done recklessly its just down right wrong...


Competition is part of the game.

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This game is like an investment. You put in a little bit of time and effort, and you reap your rewards.

Edited, Tue Aug 24 16:12:43 2004 by Poyoloco
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#15 Aug 24 2004 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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All I can say is that teleporting is saving a player time and often money. Especially the Yhoat and Altep spells. This is why it has become acceptable for people to charge for them. I myself would farm if it weren't for the fact that it seems everywhere I go, someone is shouting for a teleport, AND they are offering a reward. If someone sends me a tell asking politely for a free one, I will do that. I know I don't *have* to charge for a teleport, and I give a free one almost every day, so charging people, to me, isn't a big deal.

Hiking prices, on the other hand, is rude. Teleports are a bargain IMO, but the fact is there isn't really anything to "Bargain" with because walking is free. But time is money, and believe me, there are plenty of porters out there, the demand is being met. Prices should not be hiked unless something is in high demand and there is little being done to meet that demand.

Crafting is a good way to make money, yes, but it takes money to start it. I myself will take cooking high enough for profit, eventually, but as of right now, I have Erase, a dark staff, light staff, and miscellaneous other spells that demand my attention more than blowing 40k to get my craft to 30. That's almost 1 million gil within 10 levels. Not cheap.
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#16 Aug 24 2004 at 9:49 PM Rating: Good
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ugh where to begin ; ;

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there are people who do not have time to do fame quest for the teleport scrolls....




Then buy them. I for one quested my teleports and had no problems and it did not take very long at all. Plus face it, fame is needed for alot of things later on. Why not do it now and get it out of the way? You are just delaying the inevitable by buying the scrolls and skipping the fame. TRUST me, if you have time to teleport, you have the time to raise fame. Quit being lazy.


I quested for the teleports that i have... im not being lazy >.>
but there are people who just prefer to blow off the money buying them rather than questing them ( I have no idea why Free is better) either way "lazy" as you call me... i think not nut that isnt the main point of this thread AGAIN i remind you all.

Again you speak with such superiority that it almost feels like its oozing out of my monitor. im not sure mebe its just me @_@
this is quickly becoming a mudslinging thread in which you wish to punt (random person) out and state that they should just ship up or ship out.

the main reason of this thread has been lost. its not about weak whms.... or tele-whores... or I being lazy....

its about people who take whm and run it to the ground. people who lvl whm and just teleport.. these people who make you ( yes you poyoloco) get on a high horse and condem us all for being incompetent and lazy.

Ugh ; ;

and really if i go on it would be a rant about you poyoloco and not about the purpose of this thread. Seriously if you ask me ... you still have a lot to learn about people and how to treat them because so far... you have blinded me with your ego
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#17 Aug 25 2004 at 3:38 PM Rating: Decent
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One of the worst things as of yet I've seen in the game was a Taru WHM, no sub, in Jeuno with a Tele-Taxi service. He had all the Tele spells, and none of the gate crystals himself. So anyways he would invite people, cast tele whatever, the party would Teleport and he remained in Jeuno.
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#18 Aug 25 2004 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
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To all the people who don't like teleport price fluctuations or teleport-whoring I have two things to say:

1: Filter shouts.

2: Have a nice walk.

Sorry but in this game I find mining / crafting / fishing really boring and now I have this really expensive scroll to buy. So I do farm a bit (not easy, not good drops), put stuff up at AH and tele-***** myself while it sells. WHM is my main and I plan to go all the way with it.

If get a customer who offers too much for Dem,Mea,Holla I tell them that it's 500 only. If I see an advertisement for teleports starting at 1K, I wait a bit and /shout-offer them for 500. It's all supply and demand. :)

People who level their WHMs to 36 just to tele-***** themselves are just plain stupid. They could do much better gil by leveling THF and RNG.

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#19 Aug 25 2004 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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As long as people are going to charge me an arm and a leg for spells that I cannot cast on myself (i.e. Raise II and Raise III), I feel completely and totally justified in charging whatever the market will bear for teleports.
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Sometimes when I am in Jeuno I'll see some people shouting that they need teleports. Generally that stops within 2 seconds of them doing that as someone has jumped on it, but that is not always the case.

When I see repeated shouts by the same people, I offer my services to them. After that, I am in a "teleport mood" and often will offer teleport services. heh

But lately I have seen an influx of people offering all kinds of prices and continous spamming of their services.

It make me feel cheap for even offering anymore within the likes of these greedy people, so I stop offering and go back to whatever I was doing beforehand.

Don't get me started on the discount shouts trying to outdo others. It is just ridiculous.

Stop the madness! Teleport to help others, it makes you feel good.
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lol, I tell my friends I'm off to Port-***** in Jeuno. Its not really meant offensively. Least, not when anyone I know uses it. Maybe it differs from person to person or even server to server.

The way I see the Porting issue is like this: We don't have to port people. These spells are beneficial for others. If they want our time, time is money. We can charge whatever the **** we want. Now, while we have that right, it should also be pointed out that the customer certainly has the right to go elsewhere for their business, or take a chocobo or walk. So its in the WHM's best interest to make their prices reasonable and fair for everyone involved.

While we are welcome to charge what we want, there is no promise customers are willing to pay that much. If they are, more power to them. If not, then the WHM is out of luck.

As for me, I charge the standard rate. 500 for the basics, and 700 for Altep and Yhoat. (Don't have Vazhl just yet). I doubt I ever charge anything different. If other people wanna charge 1k, let them-but odds are someone will turn those people down in favor of the WHM's like me who come along and offer the ports at the cheaper rate.
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#22 Aug 25 2004 at 7:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm going to do it for free ^^ **** I didn't want to pay, so why should I charge?

*week passes*

500 basics, 700 rest.
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#23 Aug 27 2004 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I quested for the teleports that i have... im not being lazy >.>
but there are people who just prefer to blow off the money buying them rather than questing them ( I have no idea why Free is better) either way "lazy" as you call me... i think not nut that isnt the main point of this thread AGAIN i remind you all.


So I get rated down for this? I did not call you lazy; I called the people who are complaining about not enough time lazy. I am not "attacking" you as you seem to be putting it, and I am not on a high horse.

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Again you speak with such superiority that it almost feels like its oozing out of my monitor. im not sure mebe its just me @_@
this is quickly becoming a mudslinging thread in which you wish to punt (random person) out and state that they should just ship up or ship out.


It is a video game, not a status of superiority. You think I go to my classes, interview, or my job boasting about my rank 5 or items I have? Have you forgotten that this is just a game? It saddens me that such petty things, as this whm teleporting deal, bothers you. If a VIDEO GAME that is meant for fun bothers you so much, just give up and take a stress relieving session.

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its about people who take whm and run it to the ground. people who lvl whm and just teleport.. these people who make you ( yes you poyoloco) get on a high horse and condem us all for being incompetent and lazy.


Rate me down, do what you want to be honest. Just remember that it is a game that is meant to be played for fun. Not to get on your high horses and say "Oh your a noob, and you give whm a bad name." Please, I help people to the best of my ability, and if you talk to my LS I am the nicest person always willing to help. Do not tell me I am egotistical when you do not really know me.

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and really if i go on it would be a rant about you poyoloco and not about the purpose of this thread. Seriously if you ask me ... you still have a lot to learn about people and how to treat them because so far... you have blinded me with your ego


I am sorry if you feel that I am better than you. I also am tickled I get rated down for posting an opinion and view I believe in. I never once pointed a finger at you calling you lazy, or attacking you. However, you have shot down my views without even thinking about them. Chacham, get over yourslef dear and learn how to deal with criticism and not cry about things in a game. If you want to have an argument then be prepared for someone to bring a different view to the table.



Edited, Fri Aug 27 17:20:58 2004 by Poyoloco
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I've posted a response about Teleport prices before. While it's the opposite, where teleporters were upset that they were getting undercutted, it's the same concept. If the demands meets the price these suppliers want, then that's the price it's going to go at. Yes, if everyone else is doing teleport at 5000 gil, i'm sure very few people will do it for 500 gil. BUT, what people fails and continues to fail to realize is that prices is set by people selling the service as much as the people spending the gil on it. If you really want teleport prices to fall, stop using it and tell everyone you know to not use it. Being not happy is the normal reaction, but trying to tell what prices people should give or pay for teleport is just... redicuously waste of time.

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"Please, if you guys have time to take a college course, attend Econ 101 once in a while. There are dozens and dozens of treads in the Main forum concerning undercutting.

When I took the class, I thought the concepts of opportunity costs and Supplies & Demand is obvious. Now that I've played FFxi and hear all these things, I finally realized why they need so many lecture to teach these concepts. They aren't as simply as I thought I guess.

The market price is set by both the suppliers and demanders. If the demand is low, the price will just fall eventually. You can't fault people for adjusting their prices.

When the demands are high and there isn't enough teleporters, you'll find people shouting for 1k or 2k teleports. I see that all the time. Should people get mad that these people are in a hurry and want to entice some WHM in providing business with them? If you are in need of a teleport (500gil), not getting it, and see someone shouting for Teleport-Mea, 1k gil... should you send a tell asking him "Why are you raising the price and making it more expensive for everyone else???".

Please... if they really wanted the teleport and is willing to pay much more than you, they deserve to get the teleport and not you. Same thing, if the teleport provider is willing to take a lower price, they he deserves the business.

You know, I actually love it when there are more of these people so eager to teleport people. Do you know how many /tell I get when I'm busy, asking if I can teleport... Even when I am /anon and list I'm busy. I mean, I am busy and you can /tell me that they have 500 gil as often as they want but I wont do it.

Of course... if they offered 5000 gil, I would consider it. That's Supply & Demand at work ^^ Raise the price, eventually someone will do it."
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#25 Aug 27 2004 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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I will generally offer/give refunds to people who offer more than the standard fee.

Occasionally I'll give discounts to return customers or people who offer to pay for random other folks, with free ports for friends and LS members. But I keep discounts and refunds to /tells so I don't disrupt the public market.
#26 Aug 27 2004 at 5:37 PM Rating: Decent
Re: Telewhore. I would never call someone a telewhore, which certainly has a negative connotation to it, as does the word '*****'. I call my own self a telewhore, though, because I'm stooping to some 'base' means. I'm raising money by selling my body, in a way.

I could write more.. But seriously, there's a demand for teleports and others can meet that demand. There's an equilibrium that will be struck regardless of whether those providing the service collude (sp?) or not, since there are alternatives. I despise those who are gouging with basic tele's at 1000, but ****, if there are people willing to pay for them at that price, more power to the sellers. Right or wrong, there's a point where the price will be too high and profits drop so low (from infrequent riders) so as to not be worth the seller's time. In one sense, agreeing that the price should be 500 for all the basic teleports seems unnatural. And stupid. Those of us that can offer this service are shooting ourselves in the foot..

Ya know, I've pretty much convinced myself that there really isn't anything wrong with someone charging more than 500 for a basic teleport. Opportunistic? **** yeah. Who doesn't want more money? We all have expenses. Wrong? No. Price-fixing. Now that's wrong, at least in most advanced societies. When everyone that offers a product agrees to a price for their mutual benefit.. -Which is why I say 500 is stupid above. We're all unwittingly doing something bad.. badly. ;) Now that isn't really true, there will often be people that will undercut the gougers and that's the inherent check and balance mechanism. (I guess, I am certainly not an economist. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.)

There's nothing in the user agreement that says one must never overcharge for X or Y or Z. Everyone has to make money somehow to afford those things that are necessary for progressing/enjoying the game. Yes, it is very nice when someone will help one get X quest for free or teleport one for free, but there's nothing saying they must, not is it necessarily a 'bad' thing. Everyone has a different sense of the grayscale good..ok..iffy..bad gamut.

The most important thing of all, though.. A little common courteousy and respect goes a looong way to making the game more fun for everyone. The courteousy to not call someone something offensive. The respect to accept others choices within the common framework of rules under which we all play together.

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Edited, Fri Aug 27 18:41:24 2004 by wickedtribe
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