Endgame Body Pieces for WHM (including the Noble's Tunic)Follow

This subject comes up a lot and so I thought maybe if we could summarise what people post over and over, it might prove useful in the future.

As of Jan 2011, this is being updated. I'll try and review it after every update and add in new gear.

In summary: there are a bunch of body pieces which enhance different aspects of a WHM's job and very few which are things you'd wear full time. If you were to choose one body piece to aim for, it should be the Noble's Tunic. All WHMs should have a body piece to cure in and one to rest in which has good hMP on it. The rest, well up to you and your macros!

Healer's Briault
Noble's Tunic
Blessed Briault
Ebon/Ebur/Furia Frock
Ebon/Ebur/Furia Bliaut
Errant Houppelande
Yigit Gomlek
Oracle's Robe
Dalmatica
Healer's Briault +1
Cleric's Briault
Ixion Cloak
Marduk's Jubbah
Goliard Saio
Shadow Coat
Nashira Manteel
Reverend Mail
Royal Redingote
Lore Robe
Teal Saio
Arcane Robe
Augur's Jaseran
Pluviale
Facio Bliaut
Orison Bliaud +1
Orison Bliaud +2

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Healer's Briault(58)

Def: 40 MP: 15 Vs. Wind: 10
Enfeebling Magic Skill: 10
Enmity: -4
Jobs: White Mage

Obtained: Quested

This piece is excellent when you hit 58 and stays that way for at least 10 levels. This piece can be worn to endgame and can (if you have access to Limbus) be upgraded to the level 74 Healer's Briault +1.

The MP isn't high but it's not bad. The Wind resistance will help marginally improve your chances of resisting things like Silence. Probably the two nicest stats on this piece are the + enfeebling magic skill and the -emn.

A WHM's enfeebling skill caps at 225 (low)and enfeebling skill will improve your chance of landing things like Slow, Paralyze and Sleep. This piece can and does get used as a macro piece for enfeebling spells even after other body pieces have been obtained.

Whilst the Crow/Raven gear gives more -EMN , this is the first piece of body armour that a WHM can use which boosts that stat and a range of others.


Noble's Tunic (68)
Def: 40 MP: 17
Adds "Refresh" Effect
Cure Potency: 10%
Jobs: White Mage

Obtained: Synthesis. Can be bought from the AH, often endgame linkshells will have them synthed for their WHM's from the Shining Cloth drops from Gods. HQ is called an Aristocrat's Coat which has 12% cure potency.

Currently the most useful body piece for a WHM from the moment you equip it until endgame. The only other body piece which offers this stat is the Facio Bliaut but this is not available until much, much later.

Whilst it doesn't offer much in terms of def or MP it is the only body piece at this point which offers cure potency. This stacks with the cure potency on a light staff and in terms of adding to HP returned per cure, far outweighs any other body piece.

The cure potency on this item is the stat that makes this the most useful piece for most situations not the added refresh. The refresh is one MP per 3 seconds which whilst useful, 20 MP per minute alone will not make or break any fight. Refresh is a nice bonus to this piece.


Blessed Briault (70)
Defense: 41
MP +7%
Mind +5
Increase Effect of Elemental Resistance Spells
Enmity -5

Obtained: Synthesis. Can be bought from the AH, the most expensive part being the 2 x galaetia. This item is used as a skillup item for 99 ~> 100 Clothcrafters.

This is an excellent all round piece for any WHM hitting 70. It's useful for maximising MP, gives a healthy boost to your MND stat for cures, enfeebles and stoneskin and improves your barspells. The -EMN on top makes it a really good all round endgame piece. However the MND bonus will not push your cures as high as the cure potency on the Noble's and you obviously lack the refresh.

Many WHM's keep this piece once they obtain their Noble's for max mp builds and for macroing in for barspells.


Ebon/Ebur/Furia Frock(71)
DEF: 41
MP +10 INT +3 Enmity -2

Obtained: Synthesis

This is the base piece for the Bliaut mentioned below. Doesn't give an awful lot considering the rest of the pieces out there for WHM so aside from looking pretty skip over it and take a look at the Bliaut. You need this Frock and an Aptant: Haelan (drop from NM) to turn it into the Bliaut.


Ebon/Ebur/Furia Bliaut(71)
DEF: 42 HP +22 MP +22
Adds "Refresh" effect Enmity -3

Obtained: Synthesis (Synergy)

This is the synergised version of the Ebon/Ebur/Furia frock, for WHMs and SMNs. Essentially you take a Frock, farm up an aptant: haelan and using synergy turn it into this. There are different colour variations and depending on which you go with (need a dye from another NM to change it from the base black) you can then have three different types of slots inscribed into it and attach evolith to it.

What's nice is that it is possible to get ENM and casting time down on this piece. So whilst the base piece is pretty nice as a Devotion/Martyr/Eras/~na etc piece if you don't have or before you have Goliard; with some upgrades it becomes even nicer. Below are some examples (as of March 2010)of the types of evolith upgrades you can incorporate. Bare in mind though that +8 is the max in anything and most are 1-6. To find out more, check out the Evolith system

• Benediction Delay
• [li]Enfeebling Magic (Element) Macc
Healing Magic (Light)Casting Time minus[/li]
• Enhancing Magic (Element) Conserve MP
• Healing Magic (Light) Enmity minus
• Divine Magic (Light) Macc
• Enhancing Magic (Element) Recast Delay down
• Staff Weaponskills TP Bonus
• Club Weaponskills Attack plus
• Staff Weaponskills Enmity minus
• Vs (Family) - various effects

Errant Houppelande (72)
Def: 42
STR: -7 DEX: -7 VIT: -7 AGI: -7 INT: 10 MND: 10 CHR: 10
Enmity: -3
MP Regeneration While Healing: 5
Jobs: Bard, Black Mage, Blue Mage, Puppetmaster, Red Mage, Summoner, White Mage

Obtained: Synthesis. This can be bought from the AH.

This piece is primarily used for the hMP stat which stacks with the hMP on the dark staff. At 72, any job who can equip this for resting tends to do so. It's also more widely used by RDM's and BRD's.

The +10 MND (and INT) can be useful. The problem with this piece is the series of negative stats. If you melee at all, this is not the piece to do it in. This is a casting piece.

The MND will boost up your cures, improve your stoneskin, encourage your enfeebles to proc more often and improve the Banish line of spells. However +10 MND won't beat the Cure potency on a Noble's tunic and this piece offers low -EMN and no MP.


Yigit Gomlek (72)

Def 40
Evasion +7
Magic Attack Bonus +5
Song Spellcasting Time -10%
MP Regeneration While Healing +5

Obtained: Assault
Notable stat(s) : hMP, Magic Attack Bonus +5
Comments : Nice 'free' hMP gear but the MAB won't be that useful for a WHM.

[Edit]As Vivify has pointed out later in this thread, it's important to remember that should you obtain the entire Yigit set, there is an added refresh bonus and as a set there is a large boost to hMP. As part of the whole set, the hMP might merit you carrying this as your hMP body piece, but until that point many mages will stick with the errant body because of the other stats it offers.


Oracle's Robe (72)

DEF: 41 HP +20 MP +20
"Magic Attack Bonus" +6 Magic Accuracy +6
MP recovered while healing +6

Obtained: Sarameya, ZNM
This piece equals the amazing +6 hMP on the Mahatma Houppelande and so could be a key piece in any hMP set. it's also technically 'free' but takes some work.

The HP and MP are nice for Martyr and Devotion macros. It's not a curing piece but the magical attack bonus makes it good for any 'nuking' you may do and the magical accuracy is excellent for enfeebling or repose. It would be a nice piece to use with Aspir.

At the time of writing it is assumed that one point of skill is approximately 0.9 Magical accuracy so the AF body with +10 enfeebling should win out for enfeebles. Up to you and your inventory as to whether you'd bring along your af body or not for enfeebling if you're lucky enough to own this.


Dalmatica (73)

Def: 45
Adds "Refresh" Effect
Convert HP to MP: 50
Enhances "Resist Paralyze" Effect
Magic Defense Bonus: 5
Jobs: Bard, Black Mage, Red Mage, Summoner, White Mage

Obtained: Abjuration gear. This one is tough to get hold of, but that's ok because it doesn't rate that highly for a WHM. You need a Cursed Dalmatica (synthesis) and an Aquarian Abjuration: Body which drops from Nidhogg or Aspidochelone.

It has the highest defense, I'll give it that. It also does have refresh which is a nice but not groundbreaking bonus. The 'big' stat on this piece for most people is the Hp to MP. However that is incredibly dependant on your race and other gear. With the arrival of a Blessed Briault, which offers you the MP without eating your HP and the WHM skill 'Devotion' this item looks less and less attractive.

The one stat I would speak well of is the magical defense bonus but I'm not sure that equipping this one piece would be worth what you lose by not equipping almost any other.

This piece has been superceeded by a lot of gear and arguably RDM and BRD are the jobs this might benefit, but even they have a lot of other options. Coupled with the difficulty on obtaining this piece, my advice would be - don't bother.


Healer's Briault +1 (74)

Def: 40 MP: 35
Enfeebling Magic Skill: 12
Enmity: -4
MP Regeneration While Healing: 5
Jobs: White Mage

Obtained : Upgraded by Sagheera in Port Jeuno with items gained from Limbus

This is the upgraded version of the artifact piece we all quest in our 50's. This has a good MP boost. The enfeebling magic skill makes it incredibly useful for macro gear and the hMP is as good as the one on the errant body. The - EMN is reasonable too.

This item is attractive to some endgame mages because it is one way of cutting down on the number of pieces you are carrying. Whilst it doesn't have the +10 MND the errant does it's a very useful piece.


Cleric's Briault (74)

Def: 42 MP: 24
Adds "Refresh" Effect
Enmity: -2
Regen Potency Up

Obtained: Dynamis-Beaucedine. This a drop from one of the most unpredictable aspects of the game, Dynamis.

This piece has a reasonable MP boost and a nice def. It is the third piece a WHM can equip with refresh that leaves the head slot free. The -emn is low but it is there which it isn't on the other two refresh pieces. The regen potency adds 1, 2 and 3 per tic to regen, regen II and regen III respectively.

If you're lucky enough to get this piece, do not sell your Noble's. Whilst it's a nice piece to have, it cannot replace the cure potency the Noble's offers. People argue over whether you should wear this and macro in the Noble's or wear a Noble's and macro this in for regens. Personally, I wear it and macro in the Noble's. It's the balance of stats that makes this piece attractive.


Ixion Cloak (74)

DEF: 43 INT +13 MND +13 CHR +13
Magic Accuracy +5
Adds "Regen" and "Refresh" effect

Obtained: Drops from Dark Ixion, HNM which spawns every 21-24 hours

A whopping +13 MND has to appeal to WHMs, especially as it has refresh on it but this piece takes up both your head and body slot and carries no Cure Potency on it, so it won't be replacing your Noble's.

It's a good idling piece for the refresh, it has regen which is nice coupled with our own autoregen when subbing SCH. The MND + Magical Accuracy seem to make it attractive for enfeebling in but there are several head + body combinations which might suit a WHM's lower enfeebling skill better or offer more MND. So whilst it's a nice all round package, it isn't as shiny or as exciting as it might seem for a WHM.


Cleric's Briault +1 (75)

Def 43 MP: 29
Enmity -3
Adds 'Refresh' Effect
Enhances Potency Of 'Regen'

Obtained: Upgraded by Sagheera in Port Jeuno with items gained from CoP Dynamis. Probably the hardest piece to get hold of.

More def, more MP and more -EMN. I can't comment on whether the regen potency is improved as I don't yet have access to the zone where the upgrade item drops. If/when I do and if/when the Cleric's Briault -1 drops, I will upgrade.


Marduk's Jubbah(75)
DEF: 40 HP +3% MP +3%
MND +12 CHR +12
Enhances "Fast Cast" effect
Adds "Refresh" effect

Obtained: Salvage

This is a great piece and if I owned it I would be tempted to wear it instead of my Cleric's Briault but even considering the great stats, you would still macro in your Noble's tunic as I do now for curing. Adds a nice amount of HP which is great for Devotion and Martyr and a good chunk of MP. MND +12 is great for enfeebles and stoneskin. Generally though this is considered pretty godly for a BRD rather than a WHM. Nice that it offers refresh.


Goliard Saio(75)
DEF: 42 HP +42 MP +42
Conserve MP +5 Enmity -5 Haste +4%

If you wear the entire Goliard Saio: Set there is a set bonus: 'Magic Defense Bonus'.

Obtained: Nyzul Isle Assault

This is another piece which you might consider wearing occasionally and macroing Noble's in. Especially as it has good -EMN. It has a pretty phenomenal boost to HP and MP, double important now that WHM merit abilities like Devotion and Martyr are dependant on your HP. Conserve MP is a nice bonus especially when subbing BLM or SCH. Stacked with other Conserve MP gear like the Magnetic earring it starts to add up. The haste +4% is excellent and this is the only other body piece aside from Nashira which has it. It's downside is that it has no Refresh effect and so other pieces win out over this for most situations.


Shadow Coat (75)

Def: 38 Enmity: -4 Magic Accuracy: 10
Magic Damage Taken: -3% Physical Damage Taken: 6%

Obtained: Einherjar

The HQ of this is the Valkyrie's Coat which offers Def: 39 Enmity: -5 Magic Accuracy: 11 Magic Damage Taken: -4% Physical Damage Taken: 7%.

This piece isn't particularly good for a WHM but there may be rare situations where the combination of the -EMN and the Magic Damage taken reduction might be useful. The physical damage taken stat is offset a little by the -emn but as you soon realise, even with good -EMN gear, a WHM is pretty high in the hate list and it could easily kill you. If you owned it, you could potentially macro it in for enfeebles and repose. It's not a strong piece, and whilst it has attractions for other jobs, it is beaten by a lot of other choices. It doesn't offer MND, MP, HP, Cure potency or Refresh.

Good job really considering that this is probably at the time of writing, the hardest piece to get.


Nashira Manteel (75)
Def 41
Healing Magic Skill +5
Dark Magic Skill +5
Magic Accuracy +5
Haste +3%

Obtained: Limbus
Notable stat(s) : Healing Magic Skill +5, Magic Accuracy +5, Haste +3%
Comments: It's pretty! Healing magic boost is good for Cursna but once yours is capped it doesn't add anything useful to cures. It does add Haste which stacks with the haste on your Blessed mitts/pumps/trousers if you own them. I should update (thanks to Drakonite)that since /SCH has come in, our Dark skill can now be raised to a decent level. This make Aspir much more practical and the Nashira body could be used to raise your dark skill further for these spells.


Reverend Mail(75)
Def: 50
MP: -25 MND: -5
Accuracy: 10
Evasion: 10

Obtained: From a popped HNM Uragnite called Shen who lives on the island in Bibiki Bay. You need a Shrimp lantern to pop him.

Notable stat(s) : The def is the highest we can currently get and the accuracy and evasion are a godsend for WHM who melee. This piece is not an xp party main healer piece but it's there for those WHM who like to explore melee options. We lose 25 MP and 5 MND but it drastically improves our chances of hitting. MND & STR are both factors in how much damage your hexastrikes do but we have access to a huge amount of MND gear. Some people prefer to melee in a refresh body and then macro Reverend Mail in for weaponskills. This is a piece many would like for tanking as WHM/NIN.

WHMs are lucky because they get access to a lot of haste gear which makes TP gain faster and we have hexastrike which can be incredibly powerful. However whilst being able to melee in some circumstances is great, true damage dealers we are not.


Royal Redingote(75)

DEF: 40 MP +20 INT +5 MND +5 CHR +5 Plus the choice of two augmentations. I have listed the ones below that a WHM might consider and left out others. If you have another 75 mage job, you may be interested in others.

• Accuracy+10
• Attack+10
• Evasion+10
• Magic Accuracy+4
• "Magic Attack Bonus"+4
• "Double Attack" +2
• Critical Hit Rate +3%
• "Store TP"+4 "Subtle Blow"+4
• Enmity-5
• "Fast Cast" effect +5%
• "Dual Wield" effect +3%

Obtained: By trading in the Prismatic key gained from completing the 'A Crystalline Prophecy' mini-expansion. It is one of three possible bodies available.
Notable Stats:
Well what's not to love about MP and MND? Obviously as freebies these are a great start but this bodypiece is never going to replace a noble's tunic for your cures. Depending on the augmentations you take it could be an excellent melee/fastcast/nuking piece. Because we have access to our AF body for enfeebling it isn't likely to replace that as 15 enfeebling skill is stronger tham 4 Macc and 5 MND.

This could be used as the marduk jubbah is, as a fastcast macro piece. Some people macro in fast cast pieces at the start of casting and switch in other pieces midway through.

It can be used to boost the damage of our light based nukes, but it probably isn't worth designing your Redingote around WHM unless you want a nice melee piece. If you have other mage jobs which nuke or make use of the fast cast, you could use it for some of what we do but our other choices are on the whole a lot stronger.

Lore Robe
DEF: 40 MP+16
Magic damage taken -2% Enmity -9
MP recovered while healing +6

Obtained: Crafted. Can be bought on the AH.This is a synergy synth requiring high level leathercraft and a clothcraft sub. Because it is mainly synergy, this synth can be done as a group. This makes it easier to amass the skill levels you need.
Notable Stats:
The largest thing this (and even moreso the +1) has going for it is the hMP. Before this item, the only other way of getting +6 hMP on a body was to own a Mahatma Houppelande. The MP on it is negligible and I can see the Magic damage taken stat being situationally useful. If you can cap out cure potency elsewhere (now possible with the advent of Magian trials and Orison gear) I suppose this is a good way of loading -ENM into your build but again, highly situational.

Teal Saio
DEF: 48 HP +24 MP +24 INT +6 MND +6
CHR +6
Magic Accuracy +4
"Magic Atk. Bonus" +4
Set: Enhances "Fast Cast" effect

Obtained: Cruor Prospector in Visions Abyssea Zones for a small amount of Cruor. Can be bought on the AH.
Notable Stats: This is really a nuking piece so use it for your Banish/Holy spells. However it does have a decent amount of MND and Magic Accuracy so could be used for an enfeebling piece if you don't have af+1, or want to squeeze in a few more points of MND. Likewise it could be used for Repose if you don't have an Augur's Jaseran or other MAcc piece. The set as a whole is not worth wearing for WHM, although the pieces can all be used situationally.

Arcane Robe
DEF: 51 MP +30 INT +10 MND +10
Adds "Refresh" effect

Obtained: Moblin Maze Mongers
Notable Stats: What's not to love about Refresh, MP and MND? Well nothing but really this is just another Idle/Enfeebling/Stoneskin piece to use if you don't have something else already. The issue is its obtained from an event which has not really taken off and I suspect would suit a RDM or SCH better. You could use it idle in but you'll have refresh on something else already. You could use it to enfeeble in but you're more likely to use something else... It would be a good piece for Cure V or VI if you can cap cure potency (50%) elsewhere. Essentially, if you have it hanging around, make use of it to fill a gap but for most WHMs that gap won't exist. Certainly not worth chasing just for WHM and with the Empyrean AF sets, most other jobs have something better now.

Auger's Jaseran
DEF: 50 INT +13 MND +13 CHR +13
Summoning magic skill +10
Light Elemental Magic Accuracy +10
Enmity -5

Obtained: from an NM called Ovni, in Abyssea-LaTheine. The NM pops every 10-15 mins and is relatively low-mannable. It drops regularly.
Notable Stats: Oh boy that is a lot of MND... and something you can't really ignore. You probably want to use this for Repose if you have it. You can add it into your enfeeblesif your skill is high enough, because this will push the potency very high. Obviously this is a good one for the stoneskin macro. This may be a rival for the Teal Saio for nuking but the Saio will probably win and is far easier to get. This is another piece where if you have one, find uses for it but don't drive yourself crazy over it. It would be a good piece for Cure V or VI if you can cap cure potency (50%) elsewhere.

Pluviale (84)

DEF: 45 HP +100 MP +100
Adds "Regen" effect
Adds "Refresh" effect

Obtained: Drops from the Ironclad Executioner in Abyssea-Vunkerl.

Notable Stats:

Well here's a first... all! Yes, there is lots to love about this piece. With Martyr/Devotion and the advent of Abyssea, 100 HP is not to be sneezed at. Regen and Refresh as well as 100 MP? Essentially this is a great idle/refresh piece for any mage and awesome for HP and MP sets. This is a great idle piece. What it isn't, is a good casting piece. Use it when running around, use it when prepping for a KSNM or when aiming for a max MP situation and definitely macro it into your Devotion and Martyr macros. Curing is better done in a Nobles Tunic/Aristocrat's Coat (and is likely to stay that way unless the rest of the Orison set changes current thinking.) Haste/Erase/~na are all better done in a haste piece and enfeebling in either a MND or enfeebling piece. A lot of jobs benefit from this piece and if you have it, I'd use it but don't put yourself through hell to get it.

Facio Bliaut
DEF:47 MP +20 Enmity-4

Obtained: in exchange for 1st Echelon Battle Trophies from the Dominion Tactician in Heroes of Abyssea Zones
Notable Stats: What's all the fuss about? Well this body comes with these base stats AND some random augments. The major one to catch a WHM's eye is Cure Potency> To date, the most anyone has seen this augmented with is +14%. Which beats out both the noble's tunic and aristocrat's coat. Refresh, Divine Magic Skill, -ENM, Conserve MP and many other things can randomly show up as augments on these body pieces. For example, the first good body I obtained in this way has Cure Potency +10%, Refresh +1 and Conserve MP+2 on it. There are better. If you then add in MP+20 and ENM-4 you are then looking at a shot at effectively an upgraded Noble's tunic.

You'll need patience or luck to get a decent set of augments but when you do, you can sell your nobles. This piece could be a godsend in helping you reach your Cure Potency cap of 50%.

Orison Bliaud +1 (89)
DEF: 46 HP +35 MP +35
Healing magic skill +15
Adds "Refresh" effect
Enhances "Afflatus Solace" effect

Obtained: quested via Trial of the Magians using drops from Heroes of Abyssea Zones.

Orison Bliaud +2 (89)
DEF: 49 HP +45 MP +45
Healing magic skill +20
Adds "Refresh" effect
Enhances "Afflatus Solace" effect
Set:
Augments elemental resistance spells

Obtained: quested via Trial of the Magians using drops from Heroes of Abyssea Zones.


Edited, Jan 14th 2011 8:14am by eldelphia

Edited, Jan 14th 2011 8:18am by eldelphia

Edited, Jan 14th 2011 8:19am by eldelphia

Edited, Jan 14th 2011 8:25am by eldelphia

Then your server is retarded.



Noble's > Cleric's, there is no debate. Anyone who makes it a debate is an idiot.


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List is fine, except Dalm doens't belong on there.

Edited, Oct 2nd 2006 at 12:52pm PDT by Ellatrix

It seems that, once again, you're trying to be blunt on a topic, but I rather find it rather narrow-minded on both accounts.

Cleric's > Noble's in the field of -enmity, as Noble's offers none, and Cleric's offers -2. I, personally, would use Cleric's and macro Noble's, and there's always the chance that enhanced Regens will cut down on the amount of cures you toss, thus making that -2 enmity really work. We can get into the argument of how little -2 enmity will effect what you do outside of casting cures, but I'm not going there (I think any little bit helps). Any WHM who discounts the importance of enmity, at least for HNM and other end-game activities, is an... idiot, as you would so eloquently state. And I know I don't have to mention that Cleric's > Noble's for Regens.

Now, everyone is entitled to state their own opinions, obviously. But as with anything else in the game, you can't afford to be narrow-minded about two pieces that are both wholly useful. This is not to say that Cleric's is the superior piece overall - as many have already pointed out, they work beautifully together in tandum, and Noble's is overall the better piece. If you were comparing Noble's to Black Cotehardie, then you could more easily make the '>' '<' generalizations. What I'd say instead is what Eldelphia already included:



As far as Dalmatica, regardless of how useless you think is it (or how useless it actually is), it should not be left off of any list of end-game gear meant to be complete. It's worth noting both its strengths and weaknesses, even if it is the most pointless piece of gear for WHM considering all the alternatives. Any guide to what's out there should be viewed from all angels.



It's possibly worth noting that Dalmatica offers a self-MDB, where Blessed Briault offeres a party-MDB with the proper Bar spell if you're comparing and contrasting each piece. Just though I'd toss that in.

Edited, Oct 2nd 2006 at 3:45pm PDT by Morwyne

http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&p=2680770#2680770

Hm that reminds me, you could add Reverend Mail for the melee aspect.

As far as macroing in Noble's vs Cleric's... cures have a far shorter cast time and I don't always use macros to cast (/ma Spell with cursor over target is common), whereas it is easy to swap on Cleric's for regen. I have Raven Beret and Errant Cape.. I know the importance of enmity.

You gain 5 MDB from Dalm, but you also lose 50HP.. which is going to hurt you more, so no it doesn't deserve a place on the list.

Edited, Oct 2nd 2006 at 3:49pm PDT by Ellatrix

The reason I mention that gear is becuase everyone can't get the optimal equipment. It wasn't till 2 monthes after I compaign(As in started asking for help) for it and was at level 70 by the time I got my healer's bruialt. Everyone was afraid of demonsional death. Mentioning alternatives are worth it.

For the following reasons I would not include these pieces in a discussion on endgame gear.

Crow/Raven Jupon. This is a level 50 piece which does offer EVA and -EMN however it offers nothing else to a level 70+ WHM. Usually if an endgame WHM needs a -EMN boost they'll macro in a crow or raven't beret and not lose other valuable stats they could equip via better body equipment.


Justaucorps whilst level 58 has +10 hp and +2 MND. Whilst the MND is nice, the Healer's briault is infinitely better with MP, - EMN and enfeebling skill. The justaucorps also has a lot of negative stats and a lower defense. It's not an awful piece, it's just not in the same league as the healer's briault and it certainly isn't an endgame piece.

The Black Cotehardie shouldn't even get a mention here. It has a higher defense than the justaucorps but it has -MND. It does have HP > MP conversion but it is much better suited to a BLM with its +2 INT. By this point, I would hope that WHM's knew their main stat was MND and that cure V at 61 is uncapped and pushed up by MND, so they would be avoiding -MND equipment even when going for an MP build. There are MP accessories by the dozen at endgame, and any WHM turning up to an event in this 1t 65 + would probably find themselves ridiculed.



Yes, I was. Mostly because many people have been asking about this recently.

Edited, Oct 4th 2006 at 4:44pm PDT by eldelphia

Having completed CoP I can't honestly say there is much endgame about it until you hit Sea. A level 30 cap mission of BCNM is not endgame. I think what I was trying to do was clarify why people make the choices they do for levels 68-75.

I keep a good selection of level capped gear for 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 for both SMN and WHM. I didn't include that here because it wasn't my intention. I'm not saying there isn't a call for that kind of post - this just wasn't it.

Been asked to bring this back up. Updated with reverend mail.

the dalmatica, cleric and noble tops are useful, Cleric is great for regen and has -enmity on it (i think), Nobles is the best body peice for cures (except its HQ), Dalmatica is good for a MP build if you wanna get that lil bit more MP.

Any 1 of these is better then having none of these and so is a viable option.

A little less MP you meen. Briault gives more. Less hp too.

Actually I disagree with you there. It's a nice piece but not especially for WHM. Errant body has the hMP and MND. The whole Yigit set would be nice to own but I'm only interested in the legs (for messing around with /NIN) and the head on WHM. I can see uses for other jobs and the feet/hands etc and I would think a BRD would like the body (no real opinion on that personally as my brd is 40).

If you wore the entire set, you'd only end up having to requip a bunch of stuff and sit there for another 30s to get the rest of your MP back. Not sure it's worth it for a WHM when we have other good hMP gear.

I think for WHM the body is one of the weaker parts.

I'm not discounting the set at all...

It's a great hMP set. My original post is about BODY pieces and I think that whilst the hMP on the Yigit BODY is very nice, the BODY piece offers a WHM not much more. The reason I don't include it with the other pieces like Errant is that the Errant body piece is and can be worn all the time by some mages or is macroed in for more than hMP.

As a set, the hMP on Yigit is very nice but frankly, it would irritate me to have to then switch back to all my usual gear and wait another 2+ tics. I already use the hMP on the turban, I would use the hMP on the pants (once I finish with points there).

I understand and agree to an extent with what you're saying about the set as a whole. Perhaps I should include something about that in the post to improve what I originally wrote? I think your point is valid about the HNM situation. I have hMP gear which I switch in too.

I think it's up to an individual WHM to make the decision as to whether they want to use this body piece for hMP.

For me it wouldn't solve anything because I don't have all the other pieces yet. Also I would still want my errant body for the MND boost and so for me personally the Yigit body isn't a good idea because I already carry Cleric's, Noble's, Errant, Blessed and Reverend Mail. I'd like to carry my AF but I can't realistically. I've made the decision that my invent > than the utility the Yigit body gives me right now.

Once I have finished getting the whole set, perhaps it would be worth it. I think though you have a point that I should make more clearly in the above post.

I think I've tried to focus on more general situations and taken the body out of the context of the set. Hope then you can see why I said what I said.

I've added an edit to the original post - does that sound fairer?


Edited, Dec 14th 2006 12:03pm by eldelphia

Edited, Dec 14th 2006 12:08pm by eldelphia

Thanks for the edit eldelphia.^^

Then your endgame playstyle is vastly different from mine, because Regen is my workhorse healing spell. Haste + pimped Regen + NIN tank + BRD = WHM never having to sit down and rest cuz they never run out of mp. At 6mp a tick I get 120 mp back a minute. On a four DD + BRD setup I spend 200 on haste and at most 75 on regen 1, with 30 for a Dia II and 48 for emergency triage in the forum of Cure III or -na spells. In a good fast-paced merit party, I never have to sit down but once a half hour to recover from Pro/Shell.



Max MP went out of style with the introduction of Martyr and Devotion. We're never gonna beat out taru SMN, so why try? It's much better to have a good balance of HP and MP for endurance fights. I'm shooting for 1000 HP myself.

There are other ways to juice up bar spells too, including relic pants and of course merits . . . so while macroing in Blessed for the spells is ok if you have it, I don't think of it as a permanent body piece since it lacks refresh. Nobles > Blessed, but then again we already knew that.

I agree that Dalmatica is crap however -- its usefulness pales in comparison to the other choices.

It was put in the sticky almost two weeks ago :)

Sorry i saw this and had to say it: Before the dramatic drop in prices on the AH, a Nobles was running over 10mil. Now the price is down to 3mil. This could present a problem to WHM that don't have a solid source of income. And while the +10% to Cure spells is nice, I still prefer free > ridiculously expensive.




They made the Cleric's Briault for people like us. I use the hell out of Regen Spells and they make the difference in merit partys. In fact I use Regen so much that the only way I steal hate now is by debuffing a mob right at the start of a battle. And people can suck the NIN "Richard" all they want, I toss a Regen III at a PLD and his Cures+Provoke and Flash have him holding hate like no other.

Edited, Dec 21st 2006 3:13am by gettalot

I would agree that attaining the Cleric's Briault is a hard task that requires a HUGE commitment to a Dynamis LS. My point is that the price alone on the Noble's makes it not worth the effort of farming or doing BCNM's. A good WHM can go without AF2 or JSE and still be effective in any Dynamis or HNMLS event. The fact that the Cleric's Briault is a drop in an event your taking part in anyways (since this is about endgame), makes it no contest as to its worth over the Noble's. I spent the last 6 months doing Dynamis, saving up points so that I would have first or second lot on the Briault. True the drop rate is terrible, but after doing Beaucidine at least 15 times, I've seen the Briault drop on 3 seperate occasions.

Actually, if you had to pick between nobles and cleric's, you should work for the noble's. Our primary job is healing . . . regening may be the most efficient way to do it, but it's by no means the fastest.

My noble's was also free when I joined an HNM. When the HNM did a /breaklinkshell everyone got to keep their armor. At the time it was a 16 million gil value. Not bad, not bad at all.

Even though we might not use it as much as other job's Shadow coat technicly counts as end game. If your also considering melee pieces. Tabin Jupon and +1 respectively should be considered.

Note: I believe the fast cast was confirmed to be 4% from the Marduk's Jubbah, and another 4% from the set bonus. Pretty pathetically disappointing in my opinion.

For the love of god... I remember when this debate was actually raging and I wished people would drop this sh*t...

One side is saying "In general, Noble's is better than Cleric's" and the other side is saying "Cleric's is better in some very very specific circumstances" and both sides are resorting to namecalling and sh*t... come on people... you aren't even disagreeing with each other and yet you are still arguing so childishly... cut it out

Neither of those is an accurate representation of what I quoted. Ella just likes being a condescending prick most of the times I see him post, and this time I called him out on it. What's your problem?

He is right though, there isn't any debate. Neither piece is necessarily better than the other because they are both good for DIFFERENT THINGS.

Ice Staff is one of the best and most important things a BLM can buy that will improve their performance of Blizzard nukes, one of the most commonly used types of nukes. That does not change the fact that when casting Thunder, a Thunder Staff is still better.

Nice list eldelphia. I especially like the fact you have a backbone and gave opinions on pieces that might not be a good as other pieces. That's what guiding is about.

Oh, and lol @ the age old Clerics vs Nobles debate.

I carry around:

Noble's Tunic -- For cures
Cleric's Briault -- For regen
Errant Houppeland -- For Stoneskin and Paralyna
Blessed Briault -- For Barspells
Reverand Mail -- In case I get bored
Yigit Gomlek -- For resting, as I have the whole yigit set

I'm lugging around six different tops at any given time. ;; But it's worth it to know that every spell I cast has just about the maximum efficiency available from gear . . .