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#1 Jun 18 2009 at 4:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hey,
Im a fairly new whm, just hit 58 and wondering if the cure clogs are worth it,
this is for now and 75...

I have the Blessed feet ready, and working on the rostrum pumps,
should i use em for just macroing in? or all the time? not at all?

lol

thanks :)
#2 Jun 18 2009 at 5:09 AM Rating: Good
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Cure clogs are defiantly a high priority item. Getting cures off 15% faster can mean the difference between life and death. Can always double macro clogs and rostrum pumps, as the clogs only have to be on when you start casting cure, and the pumps just need to be on before the spell finishes.

i.e.

/equip cure clogs
/ma cure
/wait1
/equip rostrum pumps
#3 Jun 18 2009 at 6:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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/equip cure clogs
/ma cure
/wait1
/equip blessed pumps


FTFY
#4 Jun 18 2009 at 6:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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They sure are! Wait till you get to 75 and get cure cast time down merits...that + celerity is insane.

Blessed are nice so macro them in like the above poster does with rostrum:

/equip feet "Cure Clogs"
/ma "Cure *" <stpc> or <t>
/wait *2~3 seconds depending on cure*
/equip feet "Blessed Pumps"
#5 Jun 18 2009 at 6:45 AM Rating: Good
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I do, however, macro in Rostrums for non cure spells like haste, regen, -nas etc.
#6 Jun 18 2009 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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all right never knew that bit about it only having to be equiped at the start,
sounds good to me :D thanks guys!
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michelobmidgard wrote:
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/equip cure clogs
/ma cure
/wait1
/equip blessed pumps


FTFY


If your going to get technical, the haste on the blessed pumps will not make your cures go off any faster. However, the Rostrums will make the cure go off at a slightly lower spell cast %.

Soooo, the real winner would be

/equip clogs
/cure
/wait
/equip rostrum

Edit: Guess I have played whm wrong all these years, I was under the assumption haste worked no matter when you equipped. But see below post. Even if he is a bit harsh in how he approaches a relatively calm converation.



Edited, Jun 18th 2009 4:54pm by crimsonclear
#8 Jun 18 2009 at 1:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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If your going to get technical, the haste on the blessed pumps will not make your cures go off any faster. However, the Rostrums will make the cure go off at a slightly lower spell cast %.

Soooo, the real winner would be

/equip clogs
/cure
/wait
/equip rostrum

then after cure has ended
/equip blessed (to lower the recast timer on the cure)
No. A thousand times no. Haste from blessed will NOT lower recast timers if equipped AFTER the spell goes off. What you have just suggested is plain wrong.

Any gear that reduces casting time MUST be equipped when you start casting the spell. Any gear that reduces recast time MUST be equipped BEFORE the spell goes off. Equipping spell reduction gear AFTER the spell is cast will NOT work.
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#9 Jun 18 2009 at 1:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Cure clogs are my favorite overall WHM footwear, and IMO never replaceable. Definitely worth keeping.
#10 Jun 18 2009 at 2:23 PM Rating: Good
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Harsh? You have got to be kidding me. If you think what I wrote was harsh, you should have seen what I wrote before I posted.

Grow some thicker skin if you think what I wrote was harsh. I called your advice "plain wrong", not the idiotic ravings of an ignorant moron. Now THAT would have been harsh.
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#11 Jun 18 2009 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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What you said wasn't hash, people just get butthurt when they're proven wrong. Anyway, out of all the feasible endgame feet gears for whm, what would you consider the best combo? Please explain your reasoning, as I'd really like to maximize my cure cast/recast time. Thanks in advance to anyone offering good advise


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#12 Jun 18 2009 at 6:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Start Cast in Cure Clogs, Finish casting in Blessed(+1)
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Im a bit lazy and i use official client so I pretty much sit in cure clogs for resting and healing (so if I have to get a cure off whilst kneeing I dont miss the fastcast bonus even if i miss my cure macro), switch in better gear for enfeebs and buffs obv
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#14 Jun 19 2009 at 5:02 AM Rating: Good
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Well the reason you equip blessed after cure clogs is for the +mnd and -enmity anyways. :P Rostrum is only like 2.5% fast cast iirc. I used to wear them until I looked up the exact fast cast %.

Anyways, carry on!
#15 Jun 19 2009 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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Well the reason you equip blessed after cure clogs is for the +mnd and -enmity anyways.


Don't forget the haste as well. Every second of lowered recast time helps, and with the Blessed pumps (+1 better obviously) and other gear whm has available, you can definitely shed some time off cure recasts to pump out cures just that much faster.
#16 Jun 19 2009 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I haven't even bothered to check if the Haste on the Blessed feet (only 2% if I recall right) is enough to lower the recast on any of my Cures by a second, but quite honestly, I just haven't bothered and I have no problem full timing the Clogs if/when I'm Curespamming, mainly because my Cures are casted from the menu and not macroed.

It is far more likely to make a difference on spells like Esuna/Sacrifice/Erase, so I would definitely look into those when it comes to testing out your potential Haste.
#17 Jun 19 2009 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I haven't even bothered to check if the Haste on the Blessed feet (only 2% if I recall right) is enough to lower the recast on any of my Cures by a second, but quite honestly, I just haven't bothered and I have no problem full timing the Clogs if/when I'm Curespamming, mainly because my Cures are casted from the menu and not macroed.

It is far more likely to make a difference on spells like Esuna/Sacrifice/Erase, so I would definitely look into those when it comes to testing out your potential Haste.



Exactly

I, for myself, wear Blessed Pants and Hands on for Cures. Besides Cure V, which I use Jet Seraweels. I wore Blessed Trousers for a while, but then switched back to Jet Seraweels.. It's pretty rare I bomb spam V, and need it to be up as soon as possible. I'd most likely alternate between V and IIIs. That said, I'd rather get the MND than the 1 second.

Anyhow, last I checked, wearing the Blessed Feet wasn't lowering recast timers on any Cures but V,

You do want a Haste build for Haste and Erases cycles, as well as Esuna now;

Capricorn Staff, Goliard Saio, Blessed Hands, Trousers, Pumps, and I added Swift Belt. I got Capricorn staff because I hate Walmart Turban with a passion and avoid as much as possible to wear it.

Also, if you aren't the type of WHM that haste themselves (I'm not, I only do it in two situations: Dynamis Xarcabard and what I'm about to say.); you need to Haste yourself in situation where you will constantly need Esuna. I only have one situation coming to my mind when I talk about this and it's Einherjar.. Leeches, Wivres, and/or Flyers, but mostly Leeches and Wivres. They SPAM Acid Mist/Demoralizing Roar. You need to take Attack Down off as soon as you can, since it could cost the run, especially if it's a Wing three.

To answer the original question. Cure Clogs. Don't bother with anything else. You've got all the other slots (aside from Body and Weapon) to do that.

If anything, just haste yourself full-time. That should probably even lower Cure IIs and IIIs.





Edited, Jun 20th 2009 12:13am by Sissiae
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#18 Jun 22 2009 at 7:26 AM Rating: Good
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Anyhow, last I checked, wearing the Blessed Feet wasn't lowering recast timers on any Cures but V


It's all depending on your other +haste gear. The Blessed pumps may or may not be enough to shave an additional second off your recasts of other cure spells depending on your gear choices in other slots. The +mnd and -enmity are enough to make me wear them at the end of my cures anyways.
#19 Jun 22 2009 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
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i remember when cure clogs were 70k and i was considering buying them but figured i wouldnt play whm that much once i got RR3

Looking back at that now it would have been a wise investment seening as how they are now 350k on Odin
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#20 Jun 22 2009 at 7:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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crimsonclear wrote:
If your going to get technical, the haste on the blessed pumps will not make your cures go off any faster. However, the Rostrums will make the cure go off at a slightly lower spell cast %.

Soooo, the real winner would be

/equip clogs
/cure
/wait
/equip rostrum

Actually, no. Even this is wrong. Fast cast gear will not kick in unless it's equipped for the START of a spell. You can't gain the fast cast from Rostrums & the fast cast from Cure Clogs in the same spell, both would have to be equipped at the time that you begin casting. Equipping the Rostrums after you start casting your Cure, you will only gain the benefit of MND+3. Not the fast cast. Blessed is hands down better than Rostrums to finish your cast in, because it has the same MND plus Enmity Down and Haste (the latter of which will actually reduce recast timer if equipped after the spell starts but before it finishes, unlike fast cast).

However, the real answer is:
/equip clogs
/cure
/wait
/equip Marduk's Crackows ftw!

Edited, Jun 22nd 2009 8:58am by Pergatory
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#21 Jun 22 2009 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
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You could go from Cure Clogs to Rostrum Pumps and possibly reduce your recast -- Fast Cast will still reduce your recast time, if it's equipped when the spell fires... >.>

It's just, depending on the spell (and your other haste), it may only be a fraction -- so you may not get a reduction of 1 second on every spell.
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RyaWHM wrote:
You could go from Cure Clogs to Rostrum Pumps and possibly reduce your recast -- Fast Cast will still reduce your recast time, if it's equipped when the spell fires... >.>

Ah, I figured fast cast was an all-or-nothing deal. Good to know you can get the recast reduction without the cast time reduction. So I guess really the only difference between swapping to Rostrums mid-cast & Blessed, is the enmity down. Both add 3 MND and have an ever-so-slight chance of reducing recast, but the Blessed also reduces enmity. Then there's Marduk's which is 10 MND, even more enmity down, and no recast reduction.

RyaWHM wrote:
It's just, depending on the spell (and your other haste), it may only be a fraction -- so you may not get a reduction of 1 second on every spell.

This is a good point and I'm glad you brought it up. I did the math a while back to show the effect of different levels of Haste on various white magic, and the conclusion that I arrived at was that for a typical WHM wearing Blessed Hands/Legs and Walahra Turban for a haste setup will not see any further reduction in recast by adding Blessed Pumps except to a handful of spells (Reraise, Raise, Stoneskin, and possibly Haste). Everything else had exactly the same recast with or without Blessed Pumps.
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#23 Jun 22 2009 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
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So I guess really the only difference between swapping to Rostrums mid-cast & Blessed, is the enmity down. Both add 3 MND and have an ever-so-slight chance of reducing recast, but the Blessed also reduces enmity. Then there's Marduk's which is 10 MND, even more enmity down, and no recast reduction


Close, but not really. The recast reduction is going to be greater on the Blessed pumps. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that %fast cast translates into recast reduction at a rate of 1/2, meaning that the 2% fast cast (I think that's what Rostrums have) will have the effect of 1% haste for recast timers, so the Blessed are still superior in that regard.
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Close, but not really. The recast reduction is going to be greater on the Blessed pumps. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that %fast cast translates into recast reduction at a rate of 1/2, meaning that the 2% fast cast (I think that's what Rostrums have) will have the effect of 1% haste for recast timers, so the Blessed are still superior in that regard.

Your point is accurate, but I think you misinterpreted mine. My point was that neither one is likely to impact your recast timers aside from Raise.
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#25 Jun 22 2009 at 8:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyhow, last I checked, wearing the Blessed Feet wasn't lowering recast timers on any Cures but V


It's all depending on your other +haste gear. The Blessed pumps may or may not be enough to shave an additional second off your recasts of other cure spells depending on your gear choices in other slots. The +mnd and -enmity are enough to make me wear them at the end of my cures anyways.


Well I obviously meant with other haste gears that wouldn't interfere with cure potency (i.e Body and Weapon)

I guess if I was using windower macros, I wouldn't mind trying to macro all of those lines. But with 6 lines a macro, I already have 2 macros to hit for cures.. let alone others like enfeeblings and what not.

In my opinion, unless it's Marduk Crackows (Yes!) on Cure V, it's a waste of efficiency to macro something else.
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#26 Jun 23 2009 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
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Your point is accurate, but I think you misinterpreted mine. My point was that neither one is likely to impact your recast timers aside from Raise.


No, I understood what you're trying to say. Like I (and a few others) said earlier, shaving off an actual second from a Cure recast time is all dependant on your other haste gear because of the way the game rounds fractions. If, in your build, wearing the added haste does shave a second off your Cure III/V time, then it is more valuable to me than an additional 6 MND (difference from Marduk to Blessed +1).

Edited, Jun 23rd 2009 11:25am by michelobmidgard
#27 Jun 24 2009 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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How are all you people doing this?:

/equip clogs
/ma cure
/wait
/equip whicheveryourpreference

If I macro a gear change just before a spell, the blinking 'breaks' the macro by losing target.

For obvious reasons, I don't want to put a /wait between the clogs and the casting.

And no, I don't want to use Blink Me Not.

Edit: Oh, I figured it out using <stpt> instead of <stpc>. /sigh I've been stubborn up to this point and refused to start using <stpt>, simply because I learned with <stpc>. I guess I'll have to change my ways. :(

Edited, Jun 24th 2009 10:39am by chewzer
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#28 Jun 24 2009 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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Actually, I got around that problem by standing in Cure Clogs. So my Cure IV macro looks like this:

/ma "Cure IV" <stpc>
/equip main "Templar Mace"
/equip body "Aristocrat's Coat"
/equip ear2 "Novia Earring"
/equip feet "Marduk's Crackows"

No /waits or anything. The downside here is that if I need runfast, I have to switch my standing gear to Gaiters and lose the benefit of Cure Clogs.

My attempts to work around this resulted in a total nightmare of macros which looked like this:
/t <stpc>
/equip feet "Cure Clogs"
/ma "Cure IV" <lastst>
/equip main "Templar Mace"
/equip body "Aristocrat's Coat"
/equip feet "Marduk's Crackows"

Thus the first line was just for getting my <stpc> to pop up before swapping into Cure Clogs. This was nice for when I wanted to hit the macro before it was needed, and just hover the ST over someone until the Cure was needed. It allowed me to stay in Gaiters until right before the cast starts. However, I eventually decided this macro was wasting 2 lines for minimal benefit, and I could instead use those 2 lines to swap in stuff like Novia Earring. I've since decided that if I need my runfast, I can do without Cure Clogs. You would think the kind of situation where you need runfast is also the kind of situation where Cure Clogs would be the most benefit, so I hesitated to do this at first, but as I've gotten used to it I don't really miss the Cure Clogs in situations where Gaiters are more important.

Edited, Jun 24th 2009 10:30am by Pergatory
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#29 Jun 24 2009 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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/t <stpc>
/equip feet "Cure Clogs"
/ma "Cure IV" <lastst>
/equip main "Templar Mace"
/equip body "Aristocrat's Coat"
/equip feet "Marduk's Crackows"


I did the <lastst> method on my DNC. Works nicely :D

Fortunately, for most dances, only one piece of gear (usually an AF piece) needs to be macroed in and out, so the 6 line limit was actually sufficient. (If you have relic stuff, that may change, but relic is something I'll never have anyway)
#30 Jun 24 2009 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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If I macro a gear change just before a spell, the blinking 'breaks' the macro by losing target.


I'm pretty sure this only happens if you are trying to cure yourself. If your target (even if you are the target) changes gear and blinks before the spell starts casting, the spell won't start.
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Pergatory wrote:

My attempts to work around this resulted in a total nightmare of macros which looked like this:
/t <stpc>
/equip feet "Cure Clogs"
/ma "Cure IV" <lastst>
/equip main "Templar Mace"
/equip body "Aristocrat's Coat"
/equip feet "Marduk's Crackows"


/facepalm

I had completely forgotten that <lastst> even existed, as I've never used it before. I actually don't find your old macro a 'nightmare' at all, as I already hit another macro mid-cast while curing because I have so many gear swaps I like to do.

However, I already spent an hour changing all my WHM and RDM macros to <stpt> and <stal> earlier today, and I've been hearing how easy it makes things once you're used to it. I just hope not too many people die while I'm making the transition. lol

Thanks for your help!
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