rdm subFollow

just starting out and was thinking of lvling rdm as a sub,

would it make a good sub since you will get refresh and fast cast?

Is sch really the best sub due to how fast casts works now? It seems to go past the normal cap now where as /sch arts do not seem to.

Are you sure about the arts. When I blm/rdm I cast much faster than when I /sch and the same occurs for my whm friend who has 47% ct and 22% fc and arts seem to do nothing past the 50% point. I will agree with the skill bonuses and that /sch and /rdm are close on saved mp but accession stoneskin isn't that useful. I'm not arguing that sch isn't a good sub. I'm just trying to say its not as clear cut as /sch is the best. /Rdm has uses as well.

Aww that's a shame, I liked the idea of being able to recover MP by being an astute healer.


I'm sure of it, it's been tested a bunch of times. Further, from what I understand, the 50% fast cast limit has also been removed so even vanilla "Fast Cast" can bring you past 50% now.


Stoneskin isn't the only use for Accession, as Annalise pointed out. You can also use it to Curaga other parties, as well as Protectra/Shellra other parties.

You're right though, they both have their uses. I use WHM/RDM outside Abyssea sometimes, like in low-man setups where I'll be stretching my MP thin and won't have anyone to rely on for help healing or recovering MP.

Stoneskin-ga actually is a bit more useful in Voidwatch these days, where the AoE damage can be quite high (and consequently scherzo and earthen armor are being praised). In Abyssea I couldn't care any less, because I have capped -enm, capped cure potency, a whole mess of refresh, a party with very high hp, and Curaga IV spam not stealing hate (and if it does, which is rare, I can easily cure myself until hate is taken away). A 350 stoneskin on someone in abyssea, compared to their several thousand HP, isn't much. Outside abyssea, a 350 stoneskin is a bit more substantial when their HP is much less.

When you're not in abyssea god mode, stoneskin-ga can have its uses. But as pergatory mentioned, that is not the be all end all of accession. Accession has so many nice uses. One other fun use, which I've played with in dynamis (San d'Oria summoner crowd and their pets), is Aspirga on a bunch of clustered slept mobs with MP. I went from close to empty to full in a single cast. Granted that is manifestation, but same principle.

Accession can be very situational in how you use it. But I think it shines pretty well.



Orison Pantaloons +1 return 2% of cure as MP
Orison Pantaloons +2 return 5% of cure as MP
(Throwing that in there for clarity so that people are on the same page as us)

The answer you are looking for is choice B

If you cure for 400 HP in Orison Pantaloons +1, it will essentally reduce the mp cost by 8 (the 2% of 400). The maximum cure does not matter; it's instead the actual value that is cured. So if you were WHM/RDM instead of costing 88 MP the spell would cost you 80.

If you were using Orison pantaloons +2, it would reduce the cost by 20, costing you instead 68 mp.

Similarly, my Cure IV does around 600, and my cure III does around 300.

If you used a cure III on that person, you would have saved 15 MP and paid 31 MP for that cure 3.

You could use a capped Cure 2 on them if you really wanted to for 19 mp, resulting in a total of 50 mp (and saving 18 mp over the cure iv)

By avoiding overcuring and using Orison Pantaloons +2, you can save a whole mess of MP over time. I always wanted an effect like what they do, and I feel they are an incredible addition to white mage's arsenal. Especially when you use spells like curaga.

Edited, Jun 14th 2011 6:38pm by Annalise

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