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#1 Sep 21 2011 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Sometimes in a party people just keep going and going and I start to run out of mp..I sit and rest, but I can't for long, in some parties, then i run out of mp and have to wait to I am half way full of mp, is this how it's done, or do I keep healing on little mp, until I run low again?
I could eat a cookie to help with mp, but sometimes that is not enough. I might have to take poison, off, or something. And what about healing, what cure spells are best to use, so I don't get hate on the party. I know I was told sometimes to quit spamming cure spells, but people seemed to look like they needed a cure. Do I wait to their hp is half way down, before I use a cure spell? I have to do this job, because I need to sub it for blackmage, and to help me solo as beast, so I'm going to have to level up whm, and don't want to do it myself, as that could take a long time to get to level 50. lol

Edited, Sep 21st 2011 2:34pm by pettygil
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#3 Sep 21 2011 at 2:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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There's not really 1 answer to your question. It's situational, you just have to use your best judgment. Sometimes you'll be able to rest almost to full MP, sometimes only a few ticks. You'll get good at finding lulls in the battle to rest in.

As far as which Cures to use and enmity management... Regen is the best alternative. Regen is simply awesome. Aside from that, Cure spamming is your only option, especially early in the game. People may berate you for pulling hate, but as a healer you're the last line of defense and sometimes there is just no way to win. If they are taking too much damage, they are taking too much damage. Keep that in mind, it feels like the weight of the world is on your shoulders as a healer, but you can only do so much and it's not always your fault.

Lastly, as you get new Cure spells, test them from time to time. You'll generally find that Cure II is never more efficient than Cure. So stick to Cure where possible. As you gain levels, Cure III will start to overtake the first two and you should look for opportunities to use it. Easy way to decide which Cure is most efficient is to divide the amount it cures by the amount of MP it costs. For example, if Cure gives 30 HP for 8 MP that's 3.75 HP per MP spent. If Cure II gives 85 HP for 24 MP, that's 3.54 HP per MP spent. In this case, you're better off casting Cure1 over Cure2 unless you absolutely cannot keep up with the damage. Use Cure II as a last resort.
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#4 Sep 22 2011 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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Regens and Curagas. Oh and only slightly joking... letting people die if they are stupid. But seriously, regens will help a lot. Make sure you have refresh from Fields of Valor or Grounds of Valor books if you're not high enough to get it from a RDM or BRD.
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#5 Sep 22 2011 at 6:54 PM Rating: Default
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Ok, thanks for your help people. I'm gonna have to level whm soon, as my clases as sum and blackmage are 30, smn 20, whm 20. I know I have to level whm. I know it's not wise to do this myself, so I have to get into parties. I been in parties before, but I am not good at looking at the screen, so when people get poison, they have to tell me about it. I tend to be off curing and not paying to much attention to has what on them, or if they are asleep and I have to cure to take it off, oh your sleeping, let me know, then I will take it off. I know I have to pay more attention to what is going on, esp with white mage..and redmage was worse because I never knew when to dispel..i hate that class. At least with whm I don't have to worry about all that. I am way better at the fighting and pet classes, but for blackmage and sum I have to level whm I have no choice. So i will go with my sucky whm self into parties. lol..
#6 Sep 22 2011 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, thanks for your help people. I'm gonna have to level whm soon, as my clases as sum and blackmage are 30, smn 17, whm 20. I know I have to level whm. I know it's not wise to do this myself, so I have to get into parties. I been in parties before, but I am not good at looking at the screen, so when people get poison, they have to tell me about it. I tend to be off curing and not paying to much attention to has what on them, or if they are asleep and I have to cure to take it off, oh your sleeping, let me know, then I will take it off. I know I have to pay more attention to what is going on, esp with white mage..and redmage was worse because I never knew when to dispel..i hate that class. At least with whm I don't have to worry about all that. I am way better at the fighting and pet classes, but for blackmage and sum I have to level whm I have no choice. So i will go with my sucky whm self into parties. lol..

To make things even more difficult. I think my sub has to be 50 something, it used to be 37 I think, or 30..But then level cap was raised again, so now I have no idea what my sub needs to be for the highest, for my classes.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2011 8:59pm by pettygil
#7 Sep 23 2011 at 12:11 AM Rating: Good
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i think using wizard cookies as food will help your mp generation even if you aren't able to rest for longer times. aside from tha try to allways have a brd and rdm in your pt.
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#8 Sep 23 2011 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
Second to letting idiots die. Not that you should just let DDs drop, but if they make a habit of unwise MP sponging, leave them yellow and go from there.
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#9 Sep 23 2011 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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tertoonetwothreefour wrote:
Second to letting idiots die. Not that you should just let DDs drop, but if they make a habit of unwise MP sponging, leave them yellow and go from there.


That wont be hard to do in my case. lol..Hey, all my mp is gone, you mp spongers, time to die..
That will teach them, to party more slowly and let me rest mp. Serious though.. I've had to work on very little mp at times, and it was hard, esp when people are getting major damage. Well, say you're all dead now. I sometimes would have have to say low mp a lot..but I read the refresh and cookies, so I will use that next time..I usually don't do either, so i am sure that will help, some.
#10 Sep 23 2011 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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The refresh helps massively. Also, don't feel bad about not seeing things like poison/sleep/etc. That's really one of the hardest parts of WHM. It takes a while to learn which moves do what. For example, the lizard move Brain Crush will inflict silence, but you will never see silence mentioned in the chat log no matter how you have your filters set up. You just have to know that's what that move does. It's cool that you are making an effort to learn. You might be more of a WHM at heart than you realize. :)
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#11 Sep 23 2011 at 7:47 PM Rating: Good
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The refresh helps massively. Also, don't feel bad about not seeing things like poison/sleep/etc. That's really one of the hardest parts of WHM. It takes a while to learn which moves do what. For example, the lizard move Brain Crush will inflict silence, but you will never see silence mentioned in the chat log no matter how you have your filters set up. You just have to know that's what that move does. It's cool that you are making an effort to learn. You might be more of a WHM at heart than you realize. :)



Getting up after two resting ticks of mp to cure a poison isnt effecient. Let the person be poisoned and cure them after.

Only get up if you see they are about to die.

#12 Sep 23 2011 at 7:50 PM Rating: Good
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It's easier to see things like poison and such if you change your chat filters. When I play white mage, I turn filter pretty much everything except stuff like:

Damage taken by party members
Special actions on party members
Special actions on monster

I can see all of the buffs and debuffs on everyone, and I can see damage taken by party members. Cutting out all of their attacks and damage really helps a lot if you're looking to keep track of poisona and stuff.
#13 Sep 24 2011 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
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One other thing I can add in. Never turn down a moment to rest. Even if you only think you can get a tic or 2, thats a tic or 2 you didn't have before. Also make sure you are keeping your HMP set as up to date as you can. There are a lot of places you can get the second best HMP piece for the slot for 10k, instead of the "new hottness" for several million.
#14 Sep 26 2011 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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It's easier to see things like poison and such if you change your chat filters. When I play white mage, I turn filter pretty much everything except stuff like:

Damage taken by party members
Special actions on party members
Special actions on monster

I can see all of the buffs and debuffs on everyone, and I can see damage taken by party members. Cutting out all of their attacks and damage really helps a lot if you're looking to keep track of poisona and stuff.

I have 2/3 of those off. Damage taken by party members is just too much spam, I refuse to turn that one off. I don't see messages for any ailments given at the same time as damage. Brain Crush for example deals damage + silence, so it doesn't show up at all in my log. The damage taken by party members may be responsible there, but even if it was I wouldn't turn it off since I have the moves memorized anyway.

If the move doesn't deal any damage, then I'll see one of the ailments it gives. Even that is limited, for example Tribulation gives Bio + Blind but I only ever see one of the two in my log. I suspect even turning off damage taken by party members filter wouldn't help there, so ultimately it's just best to try to remember what moves do what. The log is laggy anyway, I sometimes see the message that I removed it before the message that they got it in the log. If you know the move you can start casting before the move even lands. I've had tanks get silenced in the middle of casting Utsusemi: Ni and removed it before they finished. (Yes, they will be able to complete the cast if you do this.) Paralyna & Silena both cast extremely fast, take advantage of that fact. :) Not very important early in the game, though... got off on a bit of a tangent there lol
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#15 Sep 28 2011 at 4:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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In addition to managing your own MP, the party can help you out as well. Are the melees holding TP moves until hate is set on the tank, or using it right at the start? Are they eating appropriate food? Is there another job who can heal, that can coordinate resting with you?

Also, do you have /sch open? Light Arts (SCH 10) is amazing for improving a WHM's MP efficiency.

Finally, the hMP ratings on cookies are deceptive compared with longer-duration foods. Unless you can sync the duration exactly with your rest periods, your effective hMP boost will be less than face value, due to the times where the cookie wears off before you are finished recovering (On the other hand, you are a relatively new player, and there is nothing quite so cheap as a cookie).
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You have a right to smack someone who is complaining about poison if they are not in at least orange HP. Normal, standard, run of the mill poison is only 1 HP a tick, and unless they are the tank or they are taking stupid amounts of damage because they got hate, that 1 HP a tick is probably not going to kill them. (Now, there are some poisons from mobs later on that are 50 HP a tick that you'll want to get off ASAP, but you probably won't see those until you're level 90.)

If someone goes "Poisoned" and you can SEE that they are at 90% HP, don't bother getting up until your next MP tick has hit. Your MP pool is more important than their mosquito bite.

Also, on mobs that case Sleepga, poison is a bonus. If you're fighting something that poisons you and the tries to put you to sleep, like mandragoras, don't even bother trying to take that poison off the melee. It's doing them more good than harm as long as they're not red HP.
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#17 Sep 30 2011 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
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I've found enfeebling the mob helps a lot. If you can land paralyze, blind, slow, the little mp spent should save you mp in the long run.
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