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#77 Jul 27 2004 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Not to nitpick, but in the Axe weaponskills, shouldn't "Galka Axe" be "Gale Axe"?

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#78 Aug 09 2004 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Im sure someone has mentioned it and it doesnt need me to reiterate but...


Sure alot of purely "physical" WS's stack with SA. Such as shadowstich. BUT, they dont add any damage, only a lame status ailment or debuff that rarely lands or lasts long.

Only such attacks as Fast Blade, that explicitly state that they do more damage than normal or two, three, four whatever hits simaltaneously will add damage to your SA.
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#79 Aug 11 2004 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
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good post it made me understand alot better.
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#80 Aug 18 2004 at 10:07 PM Rating: Decent
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how hide can be used with SATA:

-after attacking a mob that TRACKS by scent or sound you cannot use hide without being "sighted." this is very effective on gob mobs

-im not sure if a deoderize+hide or sneak+hide would let you not be sighted but you can try

-hide is random for how long it lasts just like invis
from 15 seconds to 3 minutes from personal experience

-using SATA AFTER hide will cancel hide

-if there is mob at camp (tracks by scent, sight, or sound) everyone can start attacking the mob, while you SATA then hide, go behind the tank and land the SATA (SATAVB will also work) *BUT if you hit the mob with a ranged attack or melee (not sure about ninjutsu or spells) then you cannot hide on a mob tracking by scent or sound w/o being sighted.
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#81 Aug 21 2004 at 2:16 AM Rating: Decent
Hi im start my thf im lvl 20 in fairy server but i try

/ja "Sneak Attack" <me>
/wait 1
/ws "Combo" <bt>

and dont work i only got Sa but i cant hit whit the ws i got something wrong? please help
#82 Aug 23 2004 at 1:06 AM Rating: Decent
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try

/ws "Combo" <t> instead of <bt>

or you could make then two seperate macros

you could also be getting too much lag put on some filters to fix that
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#83 Aug 23 2004 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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All Great Katana Weaponskills stack with Sneak Attack.

Appologies if this has been posted here before, but I didn't see it updated in the primary thread. I know some of them list as Elemental Damage, but I can assure you that Tachi: Goten and Tachi: Kagero (Thunder and Fire) stack with Sneak Attack.

There are apparently "pure" Elemental Weaponskills, such as Gust Slash, and also Physical Weaponskills with an Elemental Bonus. All Great Katana Weaponskills have at least a 1x physical damage modifier, thus allowing them to be stacked with Sneak Attack. However, I have noticed a deminished return stacking Sneak Attack with my 1x Melee Weaponskills as opposed to Tachi: Enpi (which is just a straight 2x modifier), indicating to me that the Sneak Attack may only stack on the physical damage done, and not the elemental damage.
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#84 Aug 23 2004 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
Thanks for the help now work fine 0_=
#85 Aug 29 2004 at 2:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Could someone please explain to this low level thf how you use Hide in conjunction w/ SATA? I hear it mentioned alot in the weapons/armor comments but cant really piece it togeter.
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#86 Aug 29 2004 at 8:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok well from what I have gathered amongst this thread I'll try to explain.

(1st) Make a Macro or Two that sets up either the following
/ja "Sneak Attack" <me>
/wait 1
/ja "Trick Attack" <me>
/wait 2
/ja "Hide" <me>

or

Macro #1
/ja "Sneak Attack" <me>
/wait 1
/ja "Trick Attack" <me>

Macro #2
/ja "Hide" <me>
/wait 1
/attack <t>
/wait 1
/ws "Viper Bite"

Either one, which ever works best for you. But so far thats how i managed to make it work on my last char. You hit Macro #1 first, and then you hit Macro #2 and boom instant emergency hate control.
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#87 Aug 29 2004 at 11:21 PM Rating: Decent
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great post but quick question, can i do sata+ws without macro? or do i have to macro it so its instant. cuz if i use sa and ta i have to not be targetedon enemy so i dont use them, but once it comes to the ws u have to be locked on the mob. so u lock on the mob, but before u can activate ws u use sata whether u like it or not. i think macro is only way to do it but if theres another way pleez let me know.
#88 Aug 31 2004 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
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why did u use <bt>? does that mean behind target?
#89 Sep 01 2004 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
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<bt> means Battle Target. It will specifically target the mob that is red and currently engaged by you or your party. It prevents you from creating adds in error.
#90 Sep 07 2004 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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hi i am almst lvl 15 thf. iw as considering chnging jons but after read the thread i will keep thf as main. i hve mnk as sub but any wys. i wanted to know what is double weilding and how do you get it? ok i am currenlty using a dagger dmg points suck. with my mnk i was using h2h thus mnk my h2h skills already available for my thf. so shoud i chnge to h2h or sword because am not happy with my dmge points for dgr?
#91 Sep 07 2004 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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If you already have MNK levelled, you alerady have what you need to be do some outstanding damage.

Just sub Monk to Thief and use hand-to-hand. THF/MNK stacking Sneak Attack with Combo is the best damage a thief can produce until level 33 when you get viper bite.

One note though.. After you get viper bite, you would be better to sub WAR or NIN.

The dual wield you referred to is a Ninja trait.
#92 Sep 07 2004 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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ok thnkx. question why war or nin why not sty w/mnk? wat would you prefer and why. wich is least expensive? ok so am defintly going with h2h 4 now.
#93 Sep 21 2004 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Great thread, thank you all, I'm planning to work on thf for a while so it's nice to see how this works exactly. After watching passively as whm I've been mystified about this whole process. One question though, because I'm not totally clear yet.

THF> WAR> mob> PLD

Why would you be tricking onto a war if you have a pld in the party....shouldn't the "trick partner" be the tank? I remember distinctly in one party when we had a nin tank, but the drk was the trick partner. What's the point of this?
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#94 Sep 23 2004 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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A Warrior is a "secondary tank" and can be tricked onto in a secondary way.

In a party with a WAR and a PLD, obviously the primary tank should be the PLD.

So on pull, the WAR vould voke the mob, and the PLD/THF would line up, and the THF would trick onto the PLD.

After this, a Paladin's natural hate generation would allow for the THF to trick onto the WAR without the WAR getting very much attention.

If the Paladin is a good one, the thief could skillchain onto the WAR without the WAR getting too much attention. The first fuidama should definately go onto the primary tank though.
#95 Sep 27 2004 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Let it be said the Sneak Attack + Steal works wonderfully, i am not sure if this was already posted, but the success rate is about 90% so far. about 10 out of 12 times I have tried it.

I might work even better if you tried Sneak Attack + Trick Attack + Steal.

Remeber this, you MUST be behind the mob when you do Sneak Attack + Steal!

EDIT: I am going to make a thread for those who don't check this.

Edited, Mon Sep 27 10:17:46 2004 by Laviot
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#96 Sep 30 2004 at 4:46 PM Rating: Default
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Leachman wrote:


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I have not confirmed many of these, and I am not interested in researching and maintaining a concise list of stackable weaponskills. Test them for yourself.
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H2H: Combo, Shoulder tackle, One inch Punch, Raging Fists, Spinning attack. Howling Fist, Dragon Kick, Asuran Fists.

Dagger: Wasp Sting, Shaodwstitch, Viper Bite, Energy steal, Energy Drain, Dancing Edge, Shark Bite, Ecisceration.

Sword: Fast Blade, Circle Blade, Vorpal Blade, Swift Blade, Savage Blade.

Great Sword: Hard Slash, Power Slash, Shockwave, Crescent moon, Sickle Moon, Spin Slash, Ground Strike.

Club: Brainshaker, Skullbreaker, True strike, Judgement, Hexa Strike, Black Halo.

Staff: Heavy Swing, Shell Crusher, Full Swing, Spirit Taker, Retribution.

Axe: Raging Axe, Smash Axe, Galka Axe, Avalanche Axe, Spinning Axe, Rampage, Clamity, Mistral Axe, Decimination.

Great axe: Shield Break, Iron Tempest, Sturmwind, Armor Break, Keen Edge, Weapon Break, Raging Rush, Full Break, Steel Cyclone.

Scythe: Slice, Dark Harvest, Spinning Scythe, Vorpal Scythe, Guillotine, Cross Reaper, Spiral ****.

Spear: Double Thrust, Leg Sweep, Penta Thrust, Vorpal Thrust, Skewer, Sheeling thrust, Impulse Drive.

Katana: Blade: Rin, Blade: Retsu, Blade: Jin, Blade: Ten, Blade: Ku

Great Katana: Tachi: Enpi, Tachi: Hobaku, Tachi: Yukikaze, Tachi: Gekko, Tachi: Kasya.



ok.. i know for a fact that the ones i bolded don't stack
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#97 Sep 30 2004 at 4:49 PM Rating: Default
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Dainslaif wrote:
Someone told me that for Sneak Attack, it only gives the damage bonus to the first attack of multi-hit TP attacks (Dancing Edge), and not all of them. Is this true, or would SA+Asuran Fists be really, really mean? Thanks.


i believe its only the first hit when subbing thf.

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#98 Oct 02 2004 at 12:19 AM Rating: Decent
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I love the pots, thought i would read it to see if i was missing anything. happy to know i wasn't, but i will disagree with sneak attack never missing. I have only once had sneak attack miss.


Zephton uses sneak attack
Zephton Readies Shadow Stich
Zephton misses the yuhtunga mandrogora<sp?>


also i dont use sword due to the fact i don't hit very often with it and find sa > fast blade hardly that much more dmg(has been 8 lvls since i last did it), and as far as the dagger skills i can use at this lvl with SA, i find i do more dmg if i SA, hit it for more with a normal hit , than do gust slash.


Curious question i have tho...will flat blade or other WS that stun mobs cancel out gobs bombs and other mob abilities, if not i don't really see much use in them.
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#99 Oct 03 2004 at 10:02 PM Rating: Decent
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This totally backs up alot of theories I had about the THF job! Big rate up!
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#100 Oct 07 2004 at 11:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't forget to always ASK someone before you SATA off them. I don't know how many times I've been playing, only to have another person's hate come up on me as well. I don't mind being SATA'd off of, just let me know first so I don't use as many hateful abilities.
#101 Oct 09 2004 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Great guide, I plan on subbing THF when I get my DRK to 30, so the information on SA+WS was really helpful. rate up
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