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#1 Jun 02 2004 at 9:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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ONLY THF MAIN CAN PICK A LOCK~!

THF's Please NOTE: To help prevent other thieves from getting a bad name as well as yourself, please do not pick a chest/coffer during an experience party or any other party where the party relies on you. There is a chance that you may get weakened or a mimic and this would not be good for the party's downtime.

I decided to get a Lockpicking Tips thread going. I personally have not had a lot of experience as to date, but felt this would be a good place to have a collection of our knowledge on lockpicking.

LOCKPICKING TIPS:

* Get a map of the treasure chest/coffers locations before you go:

--=> Treasure Maps <=--
--=> Castle Oztroja Walkthrough <=--
--=> Treasures and They're Location <=-- (Top Menu) Tips -=> (Left Menu) Chest & Coffer Key

* Get some keys or thieves tools. Here is a breakdown of them from other posts I've read:

(note: all prices fluctuate and may not be accurate)

Thief's Tools: cheapest, rumored to be actually most effective key once your into your higher levels 60+, rumored to use your dex in the success rate. ~6-10K per stack

Living Key: Second best, cost about 50% more than Thieve's tools. Rumored to have a higher chance of getting a Mimic.
~10-15k per stack.

Skeleton Key: Best choice. cost is about 30-35K per stack on Seraph in Jeuno. It has been confirmed that you can get a Mimic with the Skeleton Key. It has been confirmed that you can get weakness while using the Skeleton Key as well.

* Chest respawn times are random from 15 minutes to 45 minutes.

* Once you've tried to open a chest, if it fails it will use up your key. If you were lucky enough not to get a Mimic or cursed/weaken then... It has been confirmed that you can still succesfully pick a lock after you have failed. Not sure how many keys I would burn before I decided to quit trying.

Here is a story relating to this problem: LVL 43thf/nin goes in to Castle Oztroja to pick Astral Ring coffers. Thf finds coffer, thf picks coffer and it fails. Thf trys again and again.. Thf uses all 12 Skeleton Keys, and it fails everytime. Thf uses Living Key, first time a Living Key is used it turns into a Mimic, uses Death Trap Stun and I'm stunned.. missed the Perfect Dodge part of my panic macro, but the Instant warp part takes.. interupted.... 240 dmg hits 3 times and I'm dead....

It has been said that the reason I failed 13 times is because level 43 is not high enough to pick a lock in Castle Oztroja. Wish I had this information before I wasted 35k...

To avoid this problem please consult my Minimum Successful Level Reported below.

* If your using invis to stay undected then here is a really big tip!!! As soon as it says the invisible is wearing off then just start casting invis again. It will remove and put the new invis on for you. And this is the really helpful part! If the enemies ONLY aggro on sight you can cast invis while invised right in front of them and they won't aggro!!!

If your using sneak or silent oil you will have to cancel out the sneak first.. do this buy using the change focus... + on the numeric keypad. hit it twice and then use your menu movement to cursor to the sneak icon. then hit the confirm button to cancel it.

* A trapped chest will give you a curse that is like weaken. Except that it can last up to an hour~! So. either sit it out, warp then die, or just die.

* There seems to be a correlation between the level of the mobs in the area, your level, and the chance of success on picking the chest. This means that if the mobs in the area are significantly higher level then you, then your chances of successfully picking the lock may be ZERO.

* Chests/Coffers may respawn immediately after a mimic is summoned.

* Coffers appear to be harder than Chests when they are in the same area. Level/attribute difference is unknown. But it could easily mean that you will lose more keys trying to open a coffer.

* YOU CANNOT OPEN CHEST/COFFERS WHILE INVISIBLE OR WEAKENED.

* You can open a chest while sneak is on, however it will disappear after you have attempted to open the chest regardless of success or failure.

* You can open a chest while being aggroed.

* You can open a chest while Perfect Dodge is active.

* Have a panic macro, you must have your 2 hour available and an Instant Warp scroll which you can use your Conquest Points to buy at the person who gives you signet in the cities. It's under Common Items.

/ja "Perfect Dodge" <me>
/wait 1
/item "Instant Warp" <me>

* Have a separate macro for Perfect Dodge and Instant Warp as well. As if you get stunned through the Perfect Dodge part of the macro your .... in trouble. So if you get a Mimic better to use the separate macros rather than the Panic one listed above.

* have a Lock Picking macro:

/item "Skeleton Key" <t>

Other Threads and Links:
Castle Oztroja Coffer (Need Help)
tools lvl
Coffer Hunting at 41
Coffers and mimic's
When to Coffer Hunt in Oztroja ??
Thf tools and RSE
Beginning Coffer Hunting
Coffer Hunting
Coffer hunting, 20THF / 10NIN
Treasure Chests
To Key or not to Key
Lock picks
Coffer hunting ...

Minimum Successful Level Reported
Note: I will update this list with post people make, when I get a chance :) H = Hume, G = Galka, T = Taru, M = Mithra

Location, Level, Skeleton Key
Beadeaux, ?, ?
Castle Oztroja, 49, ?
Castle Zvahl, 52, H
Crawlers' Nest, 40, M
Dangruf Wadi, ?, ?
Davoi, 52, ?
Delkfutt's Tower, 33, ?
Den of Rancor, ?, ?
Fei'Yin, 49, H
Fort Ghelsba, ?, ?
Garlaige Citadel, ?, ?
Giddeus, ?, ?
Gusgen Mines, ?, ?
Horutoto Ruins, ?, ?
Ifrit's Cauldron, ?, ?
King Ranperre's Tomb, ?, ?
Kuftal Tunnel, ?, ?
Labyrinth of Onzozo, ?, ?
Maze of Shakhrami, ?, ?
Monastic Cavern, 50, ?
Ordelle's Caves, ?, ?
Palborough Mines, ?, ?
Quicksand Caves, ?, ?
Ru'Aun Gardens, ?, ?
Sea Serpent Grotto, ?, ?
Temple of Uggalepih, ?, ?
The Boyahda Tree, 65, M
The Eldieme Necropolis, ?, ?
Toraimarai Canal, ?, ?
Ve'Lugannon Palace, ?, ?

Location, Level, Living Key
Beadeaux, 53, ?
Castle Oztroja, 52, ?
Castle Zvahl, ?, ?
Crawlers' Nest, 48, E
Dangruf Wadi, ?, ?
Davoi, 53, ?
Delkfutt's Tower, ?, ?
Den of Rancor, ?, ?
Fei'Yin, 49, H
Fort Ghelsba, ?, ?
Garlaige Citadel, ?, ?
Giddeus, ?, ?
Gusgen Mines, ?, ?
Horutoto Ruins, ?, ?
Ifrit's Cauldron, ?, ?
King Ranperre's Tomb, ?, ?
Kuftal Tunnel, 52, ?
Labyrinth of Onzozo, ?, ?
Maze of Shakhrami, ?, ?
Monastic Cavern, 50, ?
Ordelle's Caves, ?, ?
Palborough Mines, ?, ?
Quicksand Caves, 54, H
Ru'Aun Gardens, ?, ?
Sea Serpent Grotto, 53, ?
Temple of Uggalepih, ?, ?
The Boyahda Tree, 55, ?
The Eldieme Necropolis, ?, ?
Toraimarai Canal, 53, ?
Ve'Lugannon Palace, ?, ?

Location, Level, Thief's Tools
Beadeaux, ?, ?
Castle Oztroja, 40, H
Castle Zvahl, 46, E
Crawlers' Nest, 51, ?
Dangruf Wadi, ?, ?
Davoi, 37, ?
Delkfutt's Tower, 37, M
Den of Rancor, ?, ?
Fei'Yin, 45, E
Fort Ghelsba, ?, ?
Garlaige Citadel, ?, ?
Giddeus, 20, ?
Gusgen Mines, 24, E
Horutoto Ruins, ?, ?
Ifrit's Cauldron, ?, ?
King Ranperre's Tomb, ?, ?
Kuftal Tunnel, ?, ?
Labyrinth of Onzozo, ?, ?
Maze of Shakhrami, 37, M
Monastic Cavern, 40, ?
Ordelle's Caves, 31, E
Palborough Mines, 23, G
Quicksand Caves, 46, E
Ru'Aun Gardens, ?, ?
Sea Serpent Grotto, ?, ?
Temple of Uggalepih, ?, ?
The Boyahda Tree, ?, ?
The Eldieme Necropolis, 51, E
Toraimarai Canal, ?, ?
Ve'Lugannon Palace, ?, ?

So far we seem to agree that these things effect your chances of picking a lock:

1. Difference between your level and the level of the mobs in the area/zone.
2. The type of key/tool that you use.

These things are rumored to effect your chances:

1. DEX
2. INT
3. Moon Phase
4. orientation relative to the coffer/chest (are you in front of the chest?)

These things DO NOT effect your chances:

1. ?

Note: Please feel free to run a test and see if any of the rumored things do indeed effect your chances.


Edited, Tue Sep 21 11:36:11 2004 by Rayel
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#2 Jun 02 2004 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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It's a little early for me to actively use any of this information, but I really appreciate the effort you put into this post. I've added this thread to my Favorites.

Thanks! :)
#3 Jun 02 2004 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Great Post!! ^^
but uhm..im gonan have to disagree wit you about the "once failed dont try again", i've failed the first time and popped it the second time, and i've only spawned a mimic once in my whole Treasure Coffer career, and it wasnt on the times that i've failed and tried again ^^
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#4 Jun 02 2004 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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Excellent post, Rayel! (rated up) I'd like to see this thread sticky, since it's bound to resurface later.


I've never attempted this, but wouldn't it be a possibility to use Tonko:Ichi + silent oils ? If it IS possible to use both stacked together, you'd be only aggroed to mobs that aggro smell, which aren't all that common in Castle Oztroja (as comparred to sight/sound).

/ja "Tonko:Ichi" <me>
/wait 1
/item "Silent Oil" <me>

Again, I have never attempted to stack invis with silent oil, so I don't know if it works or not, and looking for either a yay or nay here.

Again, outstanding post Rayel.

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#5 Jun 02 2004 at 12:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Nice post.

Quote:
Skeleton Key: Best choice. cost is about 30-35K per stack on Seraph in Jeuno. Rumored to only fail without Mimic or curse/weaken.


I can dispel this rumor. I got a Mimic on my first Skeleton Key in Monastic Cavern.
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#6 Jun 02 2004 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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jerseyprophet wrote:
/ja "Tonko:Ichi" <me>
/wait 1
/item "Silent Oil" <me>


Use the silent oil first. If you use a silent oil while invisible you will lose the invisible.
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#7 Jun 02 2004 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I edited my post some:

Skeleton Key: Best choice. cost is about 30-35K per stack on Seraph in Jeuno. Rumored to only fail without Mimic or curse/weaken. **EDIT** [It has been confirmed that you can get a Mimic with the Skeleton Key, still not confirmed if you have a less chance of getting a Mimic with this key.]

So does Skeleton Key have a lower chance of getting a Mimic? how come I failed 12 times in a row with a skeleton key and didn't get a Mimic. the first time I used a Living Key I got a Mimic?? btw, I used the Living key on the same chest that I failed all the skeleton keys on.
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#8 Jun 02 2004 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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another EDIT:

* Once you've tried to open a chest, if it fails it will use up your key. If you were lucky enough not to get a Mimic or cursed/weaken then just leave the chest alone. I believe that once you fail you will only lose keys or get a Mimic or trapped chest if you continue to try and unlock the chest.

Here is the reason I say this: LVL 43thf/nin goes in to Castle Oztroja to pick Astral Ring coffers. Thf finds coffer, thf picks coffer and it fails. Thf trys again and again.. Thf uses all 12 Skeleton Keys, and it fails everytime. Thf uses Living Key, first time a Living Key is used it turns into a Mimic, uses Death Trap Stun and I'm stunned.. missed the Perfect Dodge part of my panic macro, but the Instant warp part takes.. interupted.... 240 dmg hits 3 times and I'm dead....

Moral of the story... if you fail the lock.. leave it alone...

**EDIT** [It has been confirmed that you can still succesfully pick a lock after you have failed. Not sure how many keys I would burn before I decided to quit trying.]
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#9 Jun 02 2004 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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heh just a lil sumthin sumthin about Coffers ^^

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-6/737701/TreasureCoffer1.jpg

its a... its a...

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-6/737701/TreasureCoffer2.jpg
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#10 Jun 02 2004 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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I would recommend against making one macro with P.Dodge and Instant Warp together. As you related, if the PD part of the macro fails, you're ******* Instant Warp cast time is way less than 30 seconds (offhand, I'd say about 15-18?) so PD, then manual item should work just fine.

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#11 Jun 02 2004 at 1:47 PM Rating: Default
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NICE PICS BooChoong!!

Good observation redvenomweb, I edited my post to make a separate PD and warp macro as well. I actually have all 3 myself. I should not have hit the Panic one though with the Mimic... didn't know about the stun :(

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#12 Jun 02 2004 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I've never attempted this, but wouldn't it be a possibility to use Tonko:Ichi + silent oils ? If it IS possible to use both stacked together, you'd be only aggroed to mobs that aggro smell, which aren't all that common in Castle Oztroja (as comparred to sight/sound).


There are no mobs that agro by smell in the entire game let alone Castle Oztoja. There is only 1 mob type and 4 total mobs (they are all in the same pool where a coffer spawns) that you have to worry about in Oztroja that agro by sound and those are leeches. Not sure why people keep saying this. Don't worry about deodorize because yags persue by sight. Hide can be a life saver.
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#13 Jun 02 2004 at 5:39 PM Rating: Good
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There are no mobs that agro by smell in the entire game


Aye, I stand corrected. However, certain mobs do pursue by sceant. But that's neither here nor there, so blah.

Thanks for pointing out my error.


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#14 Jun 02 2004 at 10:44 PM Rating: Decent
OK, so me (lvl 25/12 thf/mnk) and my friend (lvl 54/27 blm/whm) are, like most of the FFXI population, in need of money. I've known about coffer hunting and such for some time, but haven't really taken into consideration b/c I assumed it was for high level people.
I guess what my question is, is it possible to get astral ring at 25? I've heard it's based on dex, and what keys you use. Well if I'm wearing 2 balance rings, leaping boots, emperor hairpin, and let's say short sword (+2 dex), how significantly will this effect the outcome? Do people say only high lvl people can lockpick b/c high levels have more dex? Or is part of lockpicking literally based on your level?
Please hit me with some good info O.O
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#15 Jun 03 2004 at 8:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I think the reason why you had so much trouble opening the coffers is your level. Thieves get better opening coffers/chests by the level. Also, from what I've learned, you'll have a higher chance of failure in areas that are way above your lvl (as far as exp). Opening coffer in Monastatic cavern at 40, I failed on about 12 keys before using a thief tool and getting it. Opening the same coffer at 51, it opened first time. Granted this is by no means scientific, but I'm sure you'll find similar results. At 43 you couldn't possibly lvl, probably not even w/ an alliance, where the coffers spawn in castle oztroja. So if your'e losing a ton of keys, its probably more because your lvl is too low than a possible mimic behind it.
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#16 Jun 03 2004 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Sammeh wrote:
I think the reason why you had so much trouble opening the coffers is your level. Thieves get better opening coffers/chests by the level. Also, from what I've learned, you'll have a higher chance of failure in areas that are way above your lvl (as far as exp). Opening coffer in Monastatic cavern at 40, I failed on about 12 keys before using a thief tool and getting it. Opening the same coffer at 51, it opened first time. Granted this is by no means scientific, but I'm sure you'll find similar results. At 43 you couldn't possibly lvl, probably not even w/ an alliance, where the coffers spawn in castle oztroja. So if your'e losing a ton of keys, its probably more because your lvl is too low than a possible mimic behind it.


I thought of this also, and I had already concluded the same thing, thank you :). At least this puts me to ease that I will be able to not waste as many keys next time. As a contribution I would like to start a posting on my Lockpicking Tips that will add something I've never seen before. It will list the location, the minimum succesful level that you picked the lock in that area, and the key used to make this a success.

Please posts these 3 things and I'll add it to the Tips section~!
Thank you~!

Minimum Successful Level Reported
Note: I will update this list with post people make, when I get a chance :)

Location, Level, Key
Beadeaux, ?, ?
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#17 Jun 03 2004 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Monastic Cavern: First key, lvl 50, Living key
Castle Oztroja: First key, lvl 52, Living key
Kuftal Tunnel: First key, lvl 52, Living key
Boyahda Tree: First key, lvl 55, Living key


So far those are the only coffers I picked and out of 3 stacks of living keys I only had 6 failures, 4 no penalty, one mimic and one curse.
#18 Jun 03 2004 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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wrong message, sorry

Edited, Thu Jun 3 13:02:39 2004 by Scalor
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since im a regular at castle oztroja now, ill add something.
i opened about 30++ coffers there already btw and i only use skeleton keys

here are my stats:

4 mimics
6 rings
2 jewels
all the rest are gil ranging from 7200-13800 for me
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#20 Jun 03 2004 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Yuroko wrote:
since im a regular at castle oztroja now, ill add something.
i opened about 30++ coffers there already btw and i only use skeleton keys

here are my stats:

4 mimics
6 rings
2 jewels
all the rest are gil ranging from 7200-13800 for me


Yuroko, what is the lowest level you were with your THF that you were able to successfully open a chest/coffer in Castle Oztroja with the Skeleton Key?

hedgehogsforprez said that he/she was able to do it at level 52 with Living Key, were you able to do this with Skeleton Key before level 52?

Edited, Thu Jun 3 14:11:02 2004 by Rayel
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#21 Jun 03 2004 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Nice FAQ Rayel, you should post it on gamefaqs. It's an informative collection of info, too nice to just end up buried here. One suggestion - just delete the incorrect info instead of editing below it.

One highly important detail is missing - what is the spawn time for chests after they're opened? Do they move if nobody picks them? Rumor says 15-45 minutes on respawn. Also, I failed 3 times picking a chest, ran out of keys. Was waiting for someone to bring me keys, a 71 THF attempted to open the chest. First try, Mimic spawned and killed the THF...after a minute or two of glaring angrily at it from a distance, Mimic vanished. The chest respawned in less than 15 minutes. Does Mimic always drop key? Would love to kill one, but without 37 NIN subbed, don't think it's likely (solo).

Thinking of a good place to estimate respawn times. Monastic Cavern is rarely camped, but high level mobs = Mimic problems, and I don't have many Conquest Points left. Maybe Wadi would be a cheap way of doing it, but there's a chance someone low level might have a key.

I've picked about 20 chests total, mostly between lv 55-59. Castle O is fun to camp...when you're the only one camping.

I used Thief Tools on chests in Crawlers Nest around level 40, got weakness twice...Tools only worked for me in Wadi at the lower levels. Oooh, 600 gil!

Only used Skeleton since then. Never got weakness using a Skeleton key - can anyone say they have? I've had 4 mimics spawn. 4th try, 4th try, 1st try, 4th try. One thing to note - after you Instant Warp, make sure you take care of your Mimic poison (10 hp loss / 2 sec), I almost died from it, had to flee to moghouse.

Most skeleton keys I ever burned on one chest was 5 in Boyhada. On average, I usually open the chest (Boyhada, Castle O) on 2nd try.

Coffer hunting is a lot of fun, but it's expensive using Skeleton keys, and potions/powders. Of course, a rare drop will more than make up for the expense - if you get it. Also, it will cost you a lot of Conquest Points / Experience Points - your choice. Thanks to Mimic, the THF killer.

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#22 Jun 03 2004 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I took the edit remarks out, and I added that the respawn time is from 15 to 45 minutes. I was thinking that it could be less than 15 minutes though..

So, please post and let me know if you see these times need correction!

Thanks for your feedback guys~!

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#23 Jun 03 2004 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Good work!
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I added a link to this page in a reply to all the threads that I referenced in my Other Threads and Links: listed above...

Hope no one minds~!

I figured it would make it easier to find this thread in the future in case it get's buried >.<
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#25 Jun 03 2004 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Btw...I opened a coffer in Crawler's nest and Monastic Cavern at first try with Living key.

Great thread...thanks for all the info guys...

Edited, Thu Jun 3 20:31:15 2004 by rexall
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I was curious to know, I am RDM 53 and Need to get my AF3 old gauntlets from the Eldemine Coffer, If I played my 12 thief and ran in there with silent oils and a bunch of skeleton keys, Could I ever open it? Im curious to know how factual the level vs. key opening ability. According to a level 66 theif friend he says skeleton key has higher chance of opening coffer at lower levels, however once past 60 (as you mentioned) theif's tools are the best. I was just curious because I'd spend a fortune to go without endless hunting for that ******* key!
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