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#52 Jun 14 2004 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Lets make this a sticky if we can ^^

Anyone know who to ask?
#53 Jun 14 2004 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Talk to the site administration. They generally don't like to make too many stickies because of overhead, but they will make exceptions. They did with my sneak + trick guide for example.
#54 Jun 16 2004 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Cool, its sticky now. Thanks Rayel, this is good info.
#55 Jun 16 2004 at 12:00 PM Rating: Default
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#56 Jun 16 2004 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok its been stickied

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#57 Jun 16 2004 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Just opened one in Davoi: 37 THF/NIN, first try with Thief's tools. Heading down to the Monastic Caverns now to see if my luck holds.

EDIT: No luck, burned through the rest of the stack of tools (10 in all) and couldn't open the coffer.

EDIT 2: Had a thought... what about keeping track of minimum level by tool? It might be easier with different tools depending on the area. All we've got at this point is speculation and gut feelings on the difference between the three, so keeping track of the reports on these could be very useful.

Edited, Thu Jun 17 01:21:10 2004 by BanditQueenArianna
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#58 Jun 17 2004 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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BanditQueenArianna wrote:
Had a thought... what about keeping track of minimum level by tool? It might be easier with different tools depending on the area. All we've got at this point is speculation and gut feelings on the difference between the three, so keeping track of the reports on these could be very useful.


We could keep track like you asked. My personal belief is that if you can pick a chest at a certain level at a place, then if you have the same equipment and stats the key doesn't matter. I believe the key you use just changes your success rate, and that if you can get a success with one key, then you can get a success with any key, just the number of times you have to try before the success may be different.
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#59 Jun 17 2004 at 11:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Rayel wrote:
My personal belief is that if you can pick a chest at a certain level at a place, then if you have the same equipment and stats the key doesn't matter. I believe the key you use just changes your success rate, and that if you can get a success with one key, then you can get a success with any key, just the number of times you have to try before the success may be different.


I'm inclined to agree, actually. We've just not verified it either way yet :)
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#60 Jun 18 2004 at 9:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Has anyonce tracked teh ammount of gil on average a given chest or coffer gives? i think that would be great info to have as well.
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#61 Jun 19 2004 at 2:05 AM Rating: Decent
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The only place I've seen that has lists of the contents of chests and coffers are the treasure maps at Speakeasy, also known as Map 1 on Mysterytour. I've been working on a translation, and should have it done in a day or so.

Edit: Spelling.

Edited, Thu Jul 8 16:39:21 2004 by BanditQueenArianna
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#62 Jun 20 2004 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I just picked one in Giddeus at level 22 :) I used Thieves Tools and got it on the first try :P First Chest I have done ever hehe. Got like 1160 gil 8()
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#63 Jun 21 2004 at 12:22 AM Rating: Decent
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yeah there are lots of mobs that persue by smell, but i haven't heard of any that AGRO by smell.
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#64 Jun 21 2004 at 1:12 AM Rating: Decent
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For Living keys in Nest:

level to use, ~53. I'm 53 and I rarely fail. Vs chest I've never failed and vs coffer i've failed two picks in 10 key attempts. No mimics, no weakeness. I think the level is lower, but by 50 it seems every key works like it should. I faield gideus chest with a skele key once at level 47...weakeness=wtf?

Monastic cavern is another never fail with living key at ~53.

Beadeaux, Davoi, Toraimari Canal, Sea Serpent and Fei'yin are also no fails or next to no fails with living key at lvl 53. I've picked a lot of chests and coffers, and have my data here, but I've noticed a HUGE difference from level 30-49 and 50-53. It's like night and day the difference in success chance. I also used many skele and tools, and never had near the kind of success I do with Living. Perhaps the key itself is the thing with the level range?
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#65 Jun 21 2004 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok heres my info on the keys as a lvl 54 Thf

Using thief's tools in Castle Oztroja

1st Pick - Fail
2nd Pick - AF!! (i was trying for astral rings actually but i'll take what i can get)
3rd Pick - Fail
4th Pick - Mimic!!! And with 2 yagudo beating on me as well i was killed... luckily raise 3 was avail from a nearby friendly whm

My coffer hunting ended soon after as i was about to light a torch to open the locked door (it was the only place left to check and noone was around it had to be there) and got D/C, logged back in to find i was dead, no delvl gladly

On a side note i was able to successfully steal 3 gold beastcoins in about 10 attempts whilst there ^_^ and i dont have my af gloves or hat yet!

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#66 Jun 21 2004 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm back!:D
Ordelle's caves- 47th/13war(go figure)- thief tools

i got the chest on first try, like all my lockpick attempts.

chest contained 2500 gil for me and 2500 for my partymember(once again, go figure:D)
#67 Jun 21 2004 at 11:12 PM Rating: Decent
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As a lvl 50 THF/NIN last night I picked a Coffer in 9 tries in Monastic Cavern for my AF Arms -_- I was using Skeleton keys. The moon was at about 90%. The previous time I tried I popped a mimic on my third try, again with skeleton keys. I'm not sure what the moon was on this night. Hope this helps in some way.
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#68 Jun 22 2004 at 4:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I've picked locks on a couple coffers and a couple chests. First time in Crawler's Nest, I'd gotten a stack of Skeleton Keys to go for my AF gloves but was leveling at the time in the Nest, coffer was right behind me where we were leveling, popped the lock at level 52 on the first try and got a hi-reraiser, sold for 12k on Phoenix at the AH.

Next went down to Monastic Cavern, had White Mage subbed for Invisible, failed miserably trying to pick the lock 4 or 5 times before a Mimic spawned and nearly killed me as my Perfect Dodge macro chose that time to stick. Came back a few days later with my Ranger sub, as I started to pick the coffer orc turned around started attacking me, hit Perfect Dodge, continued picking the lock, got the old gauntlets, died a few seconds later.

Picked my third one today, just a regular chest while helping people do a few random things in Davoi, got an Electrum Ring, gave it to a friend in return for a favor later on and because he let me have the Archer's Knife that we'd gotten earlier on.

I've been level 52 for all my attempts and only used Skeleton Keys. DEX might have something to do with it considering Rangers have higher DEX than White Mages. With a sub that enhances DEX I'd like to have seen if my chances would've been better.
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#69 Jun 22 2004 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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wow thnx for going through the time to post!! A lot of people don't realize that thieves can pick locks. HAH!! Sows them.
#70 Jun 22 2004 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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One of the reasons I started this thread was because I wasted an entire stack of Skeleton Keys trying to open a chest in Castle Oztroja as a level 43thf..

I had read many of the threads on lockpicking and did not realize that your chance of opening a chest drops to zero if the level difference between you and the mobs in the area is too great. Hopefully this thread will prevent a few others from making the same 30,000 gil mistake... /sigh

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#71 Jun 22 2004 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Well as I said in my last post here is my experience so far with coffers. Specificly in Castle Oztroja.

Area: Castle Oztroja (genkai 3 room)
Key: Skeleton
Target: Coffer
Level: 49thf/25nin

Well it took some time learing the area but I got used to it eventually. Getting through the first bronze door is a big pain in the rear end but after you do that its pretty much smooth sailing.
Now the room I have been in and out of the past week is the same where where you get the genkai 3. (This is what Ive been told at least). The only way in this room is to light a torch from one of the 4 rooms outside this room. Only prob is all of the mobs are lev 60-69. Once you get inside the room its just a matter of waiting. Once you pop the chest itll spawn 30 min later in a random location of about 8 spots.
Now just about 3 min ago the chest FINALLY spawned for me and it took 9 skeleton keys before I got it open.
THE PRIZE??? 12,240 in gil
Not to bad if the keys didnt cost 30k a stack.

So Ive come to a conclusion that
1. the level of the mobs around you may not directly effect the chance of you opening the chest.

2. Hunting coffers is the BIGGEST pain the the rear end.

3. If you do plan on hunting coffers, if your as lucky as I was to be the only one hunting the chest, bring a gameboy to keep you busy.
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#72 Jun 22 2004 at 8:43 PM Rating: Good
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Might want to add that THFs should not pick locks when they are in parties, it is as bad or worse than fishing where you can fish up a monster. Even a chest that might seem easy could weaken them for 30 minutes to an hour. That would make them useless for the party.

I just wanted to say that because today, a thief in a party I was in, that was going after a Garlaige Coffer key, decided it would be funny if he would pick the lock on a chest we found before I could get to it and use my key. He was dropped to 1 HP and weakened. The chest disappeared and I'm looking to be sitting on this garlaige key for another month.

I still don't understand why he wanted to show off after I had made a special trip back to San d'Oria to get my key out of storage just in case I ran accross the chest. He was the one who said it would be ok for me to take the time to go get it.

I'm still kinda wishing some AOE would have killed him when he only had 206 HP. But thats mean, so I'm not really wishing that ^^
#73 Jun 23 2004 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I've read in here plenty of times at what level you should be to start coffer hunting in Castle Ohmylookatthesehighlevelyags (Ortzawhatereverit'snamed) is about 50-52. Well last night waiting for stuff to happen and reading about AF 1-4, I headed to the Castle with a stack and a half of Thief Tools. Since I was running and just then remembering about my scroll of instant warp, I just said... Ahh... to heck with it and kept on going. Then hitting the old "/clock on" to see what day it was and sure enough, Darksday. At that second I remember Famke posting something along the lines of mimics seeming to spawn more often on Darksday than any. It made the idea of not having that scroll even more of an issue. But I kept on running. Got to the second door and two EP's were guarding the door. After they were facing the other way I dropped invisibility and started on the Handles. Door started to open, as I turn around I get Yag Aggro. I have 1 of 3 panic macro's and I hit the DEFCON 2 macro. Perfect Dodge / Flee / Hide. And tried to run for the door but it was in the process of closing so I ran to where the TW's were to rest up. Went for it again after the poison cleared and I could rest up for more hit points. Got in. Ran the coffer Spawn points like 4 or 5 times before seeing the coffer.

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Skipped my way out of their as a a happy camper. On my way out a thief was running up the hallway in full AF. Tried to tell him that I just picked the coffer for my AF to let him know that he was going to have to wait for a pop, but he was Japanese and my Japanese isn't that good nor could I figure out in auto translate how to tell him this.

So off I went back to Jeuno to put my new leggings in my Safe.

At the time I did this pick Thf53/Nin20.

Good luck!! ^^

Funny side note, when I went back to Jeuno I put my tools back in the safe to level nin. My static wanted to go get some exp. so I went back to MH to change jobs and forgot to grab my tools. While choco'ing it to the crawlers' nest I realized this and have really only seen the coffer by the camp once. As I run by the Rumble Crawler Spawn point where the three spawn at... sure enough... there's the coffer sitting there smiling at me.

Me: PRETTY PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE CAN I GET A WARP II????
Party members: Why??? Where you going.
Me: :'( <t> (Treasure Coffer)
Party members: LoL
Me: **** it!!
Pld: Your AF here?
Me: No... I'm just a greedy thief.
Party: LoL
Me: :( ... LoL
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#74 Jun 23 2004 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
I have a sugestion. What if the differnt keys have differnt things effecting them. maybe living key is affected by int and theif's tools is affected by Dex. that is a possibility. My int and dex are pretty close and im a lvl 25thf/nin This could be a possiblity. i mean since the stats are pretty close maybe you just dont see the differnce as much. ;)

I also have a question. anyone pick the lok for their RSE when there around the lvl of getting their RSE (ie 25~30)? cause i wanna get those gloves!
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#75 Jun 24 2004 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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if what you say is true about int then a taru thf would be able to pick a lock a level or levels before other races...

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#76 Jun 25 2004 at 11:58 AM Rating: Default
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What happens when you try to open a chest with sneak on? Does it cancel automatically or you cannot open the chest unless you turn it off?
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