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#127 Aug 19 2004 at 11:07 PM Rating: Decent
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My luck so far:

Monastic Cavern:
#1: 4 skeleton keys, old gauntlets (55)
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Castle Oztroja:
_chests:
#1: 1 thief's tool, weakened
_coffers:
#1: 3 skeleton keys, some gil (level 50)
#2: 3 skeleton keys, rogue's culotte (level 55)
#3: 1 skeleton key, 7325 gil (59)
#4: a real key holy crap, an astral ring (59)
#5: 1 living key, 9600 gil (59)
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#128 Aug 20 2004 at 11:54 PM Rating: Decent
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sneak drops once you pick the lock...i was in QS and opened a coffer *had sneak on* and as soon as the coffer opened i got popped by an ant ><
#129 Aug 20 2004 at 11:58 PM Rating: Decent
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generally the higher lvl dungeons require you to get a map out of a coffer, and if this is the case, you will always get a map on your first time opening a coffer there
#130 Aug 21 2004 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
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1. i know it was mentioned earlier but some ppl said they would use /thf to pick locks and no one corrected them...YOU MUST BE MAIN THF TO OPEN WITH LOCKPICKS

2. 52 mithra thf atm 67+24 dex cant remember int off the top of my head.

ive opened several chests *all w/living* and NEVER failed...got all my RSE in one session...attempted 2 coffers in ifrit's cauldron while mining; both mimics; both times i died >< went to monastic cavern for AF and had a fresh stack of skeletons; 11 fails and 1 success...im SO glad that last one worked...40k down the drain on kujata ><

i may attempt fei'yin or castle O later...thanks for all the info guys; do you know when a SE interview is? maybe we can ask them about lockpicking ^^

edit--can you get tele-vahzl more than once?

Edited, Sat Aug 21 01:22:31 2004 by Amsalon
#131 Aug 23 2004 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I asked this question earlier in a seperate thread but never got a direct answer, so I'm asking again here:

Has anyone ever been weakened when picking a treasure CHEST with a LIVING KEY?

Ever since I started using them to hunt chests, I've yet to be weakened after a failed attempt. This used to occur quite frequently when I was using thief's tools, and I really only switched to the more expensive living keys because the AH never has thief's tools anymore on my server. Now I'm hooked on the living keys for this reason, plus I can craft them now w/ my alchemy. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ^^
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#132 Aug 23 2004 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I just wanted to put in some of my experience's with picking coffers (50THF/25NIN):

Headed out to Monastic Cavern to pick coffer for old gauntlets:
Spotted the coffer and opened it in one try (Skeleton Key)

So I thought I would press my luck and head over to Castle Ostroja to get some astral rings:
Spotted the coffer and sad to say but it was in the pit with leeches, figured I'd jump in anyways, picked it and opened with one key (Skeleton Key again) to my surprise, got my AF pants. Didn't read up on it yet so I was happy as ****.

I was being greedy so I went back to Caslte Ostroja, spotted the coffer again at the same spot, tried picking it, wasted 4 keys and on my fifth one, turned into a mimic. Spammed my panic macro to find out I didn't have a warp scroll :(.

I came back after dying, and once again theres the coffer in front of me, scared as **** another mimic would pop, I figured I'd take a shot at it again, after 3 failures the **** mimic pops again.

So I have a question, does the coffer open easier if what you're picking for is your AF? Or did I just have bad luck with those **** mimics?

Edited, Mon Aug 23 18:29:58 2004 by azngookman
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#133 Aug 23 2004 at 7:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Level makes a big difference....there's ALWAYS a chance to get a mimic, even at 75, it just gets somewhat lower as you get higher.
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#134 Aug 27 2004 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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More lockpicking experiences.

Went to Fei'Yin. I'm level 55 THF/NIN. Came with a stack of living keys.
1 weakness
1 failure
2 life belt's
5 various gil, totalling about 30k

I got one failure before getting a life belt. But the success rate here is really good. I have 3 more keys, so I'll have to go back for more.
#135 Aug 27 2004 at 9:37 PM Rating: Decent
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In my experience with mimics, Ive noticed that the mimics dissapear after a certain time period (less then 5 min) and the chest reappears about 10 mins later in a different area. Im kinda surprise the chest was still there when you got back from Jueno.
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#136 Aug 30 2004 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I had good experience with RSE (although I just quested a few pieced at 50 for cash) and in mon cavern it took me 7 tries with tools before it poped but no mimic or weakness. I've never gotten a chance to try in Castle O since I've yet to see a coffer there but I've got a key now so hopefully I'll get my pants soon.

I did spawn a mimic on my first try in Kuftal Tunnel. Got weakened on my first try for the may in Boydra also. I was even in palborough mines and got freakin weakened on my first try. Ive just had bad luck as of late it would seem.
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#137 Aug 31 2004 at 7:27 AM Rating: Decent
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got a couple of lvls, and am currently 55...went to castle to get my pants...spent about 30ish mins there and abou 20 or so shinobi-tabi...there were a couple of high lvl JP thfs there but i told them i was looking for my AF, and i think they felt sorry for me, and left...anyway...found my coffer *woohoo!* its in the SE room w/the torch stand...wait for yags to turn, and drop invis...first attempt fail, second attempt got my cullote's...i ended up dying because i forgot i didnt have my 2 hour, and i had JUST used flee+hide to check behind the brass door, but oh well...anyway...i was using thieves tools and my stats were as follows

dex 71+22
agi 63+13 *dont know that it affects it but...*
int 52+7

i wore my AF hat while attempting the lockpick instead of my emp pin, even tho ive heard that +dex is better w/thieves tools...ive got 10 tools, and 2 living keys and im broke as a joke, so im thinking about going to fei'yin...just quested the map this week so... *crosses fingers*
#138 Aug 31 2004 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I am a level 50thf/nin, hume. I just finished picking all 3 of my AF coffers using skeleton keys.

Davoi - Used 4 keys
Castle Oztroja - Used 1 key
Castle Zvahl Baileys - Used 3 keys

I did not encounter a mimic or weakness. Everytime I found a coffer I opened it before using warp/hide to escape.

And for the record, Castle Zvahl Baileys is one **** of a scary place.

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#139 Sep 05 2004 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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lvl 57 now, decided to get go my AF body

chests:

zvhal bailey's
1st pick- phalanx ring *used living key*

feiyin
1st pick- life belt *used living key*

eldieme
1st pick- gil *all picks hereafter are thief tools*

coffers:

zvhal bailey's
1st pick- weakness
2nd pick- rouge's vest

castle o
1st pick- gil
2nd pick- fail
3rd pick- weakness
4th pick- weakness

i think ima wait till 60 to start really camping castle o, altho i did get a system worked out ^^
#140 Sep 21 2004 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Level 37:

Thief's Tools, Maze of Shakrami, success
Thief's Tools, Delkfutt's Tower, success

Level 38:

Thief's Tools, Gusgen Mines, success
Thief's Tools, Gusgen Mines, FAILURE
Thief's Tools, Gusgen Mines, success


After that failure, my LS members had to get me a key so I could open up the chest like a common non-THF; I was ashamed ^^. At least I have all my RSE now. Race is Mithra as indicated in my profile.

The Delkfutt's Tower chest just sort of randomly jumped out at me while I was doing Mission 3-3, and I risked it because I am an idiot :) However, I had to be stealthed through the tower anyway, and I was hardly key to the operation (we had a 55 DRK along). So I don't feel too bad.

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#141 Sep 26 2004 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't suppose there are any chests a level 18 Thief can open? :p
I need some money for my other WAR right now, and fishing is boring the crap out of me 0_o.
#142 Sep 27 2004 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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you might try

palborough mines
dandruf wadi
fort ghelsba
giddeus

and other zones in the same level range.

although the rewards for the picking of these chests isn't going to be that much higher than the cost of a thief tool.

as far as gil/hour is concerned your better off just carrying some thief's tools around with you and farm in a zone that just happens to have coffers. that way the coffer is just a suplement for additional income, not the soul source.
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#143 Sep 30 2004 at 9:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Help! I just spend 1.5hrs and a stack of sneak oils looking for chests in feyin! I did not see one chest... Do chests despawn? I ran in circles checking all but the 3 I couldn't find a way to get to. There we're 2 other thf's but I never saw them once I just kept running the cirlce and not one chest or theif was sighted! Whats the deal? I was counting on this to be my new source of income and instead I wasted a stack of oil!
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#144 Sep 30 2004 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Ouch.. that sucks. I've done quite a bit of chest hunting in Fei'yin. Either one of those thieves was beating you to the punch, or the chest was just sitting on one of those 3 spawn points you weren't checking. The chest actually spawns up there quite often.

My main concern is that you're using silent oils to get around. If you're planning on doing this frequently to make money as you said, you're gonna be losing A LOT of money on silent oils, since pretty much everything there will aggro you at 50. I see you haven't leveled white mage to sub for sneak/invis, which is what I do and would recommend to any thief, but if you don't want to do that you may just want to level up some, sub ninja and give coffer hunting in oztroja a shot. The competition is fierce, but at least you can keep yourself invisible.

I'm level 55 now, and when I hunt in Fei'Yin the only things that aggro me on the main level are some of the ore golems and the shadows, (i.e. I only cast sneak on myself when running through the shadow rooms and when running downstairs to check the other 3 spawn points you mentioned) another reason to consider leveling up a bit. Also Hide works on dropping aggro from golems.

I know it sucks, but I would seriously either level white mage or red mage to sub for free sneak/invisible, or just level as close to 60 as you can, sub ninja and camp oztroja. Otherwise I think you'll be spending too much money in attempt to make some of it back. I hope this helps, and happy hunting! ^^

P.S. I've also heard that rumor about chests despawning, and I don't think it's true. My LS leader has seen a chest in Fei'yin sitting there for nearly an hour while he killed stuff trying to get a key, and I myself have sat right by a chest for 40 minutes while waiting for weakness to go away so I could pick it.

Edited, Thu Sep 30 14:03:57 2004 by FraggleTrey
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#145 Sep 30 2004 at 1:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow thanks Id rate you up but I was camped out of scholer on the server boards >.<

I wanted to try feyin because alot of times on my server theres NO one there. I went the night before without a map and was wandering with a alliance doing whm af and I saw no chests then either and I checked a few of the spawn points then too. I just cant ever find them there.
I inteded to lvl whm to sneak eventually I just wanted to see if picking locks was for me. The cost of 4-7k silent oils would be a small price for 90k and because there shouldnt have been problem I just cant find the chests >.<
Feyin was the place to be for me because I don't like the compition I like being the lone tomb raiding thf when deep in the Dungeons.

I take it to get to those 3 chests on the top left of the map is by going through the bottom floor?
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#146 Oct 04 2004 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I totally agree about wanting to be the lone chest/coffer hunter. I hate doing it when there's competition, because it always seems they'll beat me to it. Especially in Oztroja, there's always high level thieves that don't worry about getting aggro in the lower coffer zone, so they just flee right on through. I, on the other hand, will get aggroed by anything in there. Oh, and if ever I do have the place to myself (GASP!), rest assured that the coffer will spawn in the leech pool ><. Then it's either give up, or pick it and know for sure I'll be using my 2-hour and warp scroll when those suckers aggro me. I seriously wish Thieves has an ability similar to Hide which works on sound detection. Actually, just yesterday I did have the castle all to myself for about 4 hours and the coffer never spawned in the pool! 3/5 coffers I got had rings in them too!! I seriously wouldn't recommend hunting Oztroja until you hit 55. I was doing it at 50 and got a LOT of mimics. Now that I've gone back at 55, I've gotten 1 mimic out of ~5 stacks of skeleton keys, though I still fail quite a bit before successfully picking the coffer.

But yes, Fei'Yin is a GREAT alternative when Oztroja becomes one huge thief sausage party. Dude, level your white mage or red mage, you will be SO glad you did. It comes in handy for much more than just chest/coffer hunting. If you do want to stick with the silent oils, you may consider leveling thief to 61. I was told that's the level where the shadows on the first floor will no longer aggro you, so you'd only need them when heading downstairs to check the northwest 3 spawn points. And get the Fei'Yin map!! Reference my post above about it, as the quest is #3 in a stack of quests for the Optistry in Windurst. The stairway leading into the basement of Fei'Yin is just southwest of the main room in the center. Once downstairs, keep sneak up at all times and watch where you cast as colossus, dromas and weapons there will aggro magic. The stairs leading back up to the 3 spawn points are northwest on the basement map.

I hope this helps you! Level that thief! Level that white mage! In time, all good things will be yours!



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#147 Oct 05 2004 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
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w00t my compition is a 74thf with strider boots!!

Anyways I got camping here down pat except when I check EVERY spawn point and see no chest. I will lvl whm for this cause these sneaks are costing me a fortune.

My record 1/2 - 1 living key = 1 life belt, 1 living key = trapped.

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#148 Oct 08 2004 at 4:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I have three questions, but i'm pretty sure i know the answer to the first.

Since you are running around looking for chests and coffers, I guess they don't show up on widescan? ( I don't have RNG yet, so i don't know.)

And two, is it true that mimics always drop coffer keys if you kill them? If so is it ever possible to solo them, or are they too strong even at 75?

Three, I hear there is a door lock thieves can pick, in tavnasia, do you think this works the same as chest lock-picking? And are there more doors like that? If there are then thieves are even more useful than i thought!

I'm a bit low to start lock picking, but i don't want to die, just to find out my idiotic idea doesn't work.
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#149 Oct 18 2004 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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everytime I've ever killed a mimic it has always dropped the key to the chest/coffer that you spawned the mimic on. It makes sense that it would be a guaranteed drop. As far as I know I've never heard of someone not getting a key from a mimic.

It's a great trick if you have a low level thf in the party to spawn a mimic from one of those chests if you are in a key hunting party.
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#150 Oct 21 2004 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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everytime I've ever killed a mimic it has always dropped the key to the chest/coffer that you spawned the mimic on. It makes sense that it would be a guaranteed drop. As far as I know I've never heard of someone not getting a key from a mimic.


At what level can you actually solo a mimic? And better have that antidote with ya!
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#151 Oct 21 2004 at 5:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Thief's tools, Oldton Movalpolos, level 44 Hume. I loves my maps! XD
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