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#1 Sep 13 2008 at 11:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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OK fellow THFs, here's a little project I've been working on. I've been researching gear, and have attempted to pin down the absolute best piece of evasion gear for each slot possible. Keep in mind this is just for pure evasion, just to see how high we THFs could possibly get it (on our own, no outside buffs included.) So here's what I've come up with. If you know of a better evasion piece for any given slot, please post it. Is this the best evasion set possible for THF?

Main Hand: Azoth (DMG:35 Dly:210 AGI+4 Eva+4 Acc+4)
Sub: Amir Jambiya (DMG:34 Dly:194 HP+20 Eva+5)
(or) Tariqah+1 (DEF:19 Acc+5 Eva+5)
Ranged: Ungur Boomerang (DMG:30 Dly:220 HP+8 MP+8 Eva+8 Wind+8)
Ammo:
Head: Emperor Hairpin (HP-15 DEX+3 AGI+3 Evasion+10)
Neck: Evasion Torque (HP+7 Evasion Skill+7)
Ear1: Novia Earring (Eva+7 Enmity-7)
Ear2: Triton's Earring (Eva+6 Att-6)
Body: Scorpion Harness+1 (DEF:41 HP+20 Ice-20 Water+20 Dark+20 Acc+12 Eva+12)
Hands: Denali Wristbands (DEF:17 STR+4 MND+4 Att+6 Eva+6 Damage-2%)
Ring1: Nimble Ring (AGI+5 Wind+10)
Ring2: Nimble Ring (AGI+5 Wind+10)
Back: Boxer's Mantle (DEF:8 Guard Skill+10 Evasion Skill+10 Shield Skill+10 Parrying Skill+10)
Waist: Scouter's Rope (DEF:6 HP-40 AGI+4 Eva+10)
Legs: Raven Hose (DEF:21 Eva+6 Enmity-6)
Feet: Dance Shoes+1 (DEF:14 VIT-3 CHR+4 Eva+7)

Food: Jack-o-Lantern (CHR-10 Acc+10 R.Acc+10 Eva+10 Arcana Killer Dark+25)

Totals:

Evasion: +92
AGI: +21
Evasion Skill: +17

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#2 Sep 13 2008 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Main: Auster's Staff (AGI+5 Evasion+10)
Neck: Windurstian Scarf (Outside nation's control: Evasion +7)
Body: Antares Harness? (AGI+8 Evasion+8)
Hands: Master Caster's Mitts (Outside nation's control: AGI+2 Evasion skill+10)
Ring: Wind Ring (Windsday: Evasion+15)
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#3 Sep 13 2008 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the reply. I forgot to mention one thing in my original post. My intention was to find a set that had no conditional qualifiers on evasion bonuses- a set that would work anywhere, anytime. That rules out the Windurstian Scarf, M.C. Mitts, and the Wind Ring, which I had considered.

Antares Harness.. interesting, didn't see that one before. Though, wouldn't it be exactly equally effective for evasion compared to a Scorpion Harness+1? Or does the +AGI have a greater effect than perhaps I realized?

Auster's Staff.. nice, totally didn't even think about non-dagger weapons.

Cool, thanks for the suggestions! Anyone else out there with 2 cents that could improve on this set?
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#4 Sep 13 2008 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd personally go with Rogue's Bonnet +1, or at least work that into a "casting ustsusemi" macro.

I'm also going to guess that you ruled out Bat Earrings because of the need to blind yourself, but you might consider the JSE Rogue's Earring for times when your HP is below 75%. (If that indeed is the trigger..)

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#5 Sep 13 2008 at 9:57 PM Rating: Decent
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The level 70 jse earrings are below 25%hp and above 100tp iirc. The thf one is really tame compared to the others. Ninja is haste+20% and others have damage taken-20%. If it was 75% everybody would be using the latents.

Why bother with rogue's bonnet+1 vs optical hat? (Especially for utsusemi.)
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#6 Sep 14 2008 at 2:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Alright, guys. I'll admit I don't know everything about this job yet/still, but I was under the assumption that Evasion Skill > most Evasion pieces. I use an Evasion Earring (+3 skill). How much generic Evasion+ do I have to put in that ear slot to outshine the Evasion earring?

In fact, here's what I've got for my Evasion set at the moment. Note that I'm not anywhere close to finishing CoP, so any Sea items are, unfortunately, out of the question.

Head: Optical Hat
Neck: Evasion torque
Ear1: Evasion Earring
Ear2: Velocity Earring
Body: Scorpion Harness
Hands: War Gloves +1
Back: Corse Cape
Waist: Scouter's Rope
Legs: OH LOOK I CAN USE THF AF FOR SOMETHING!!!
Feet: Bounding Boots

I've been eyeballing some upgrades (like the Windy CP hands (I'm Bastokan)), but most require me knocking out some missions that require - GASP!! ... other people being on and willing to help me out.

Can anyone recommend any purchases?
#7 Sep 14 2008 at 3:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Not much of an upgrade, but I'd say on your feet I'd slap on some dance shoes or dance shoes +1 for evasion +6/7. All I could see for someone without sea access. Well, I guess you could upgrade velocity earring to one of the rare high level +eva -att earrings, but eh. Oh, look into Patrician's cuffs, the new-ish hands that give flat 6 evasion skill, those are nice.
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#8 Sep 14 2008 at 3:53 AM Rating: Decent
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From my testing, evasion > +evasion skill when the mob is a lower level. When I farm spiders outside Whitegate. I have problem keeping up shadow with my 'boxer mantle' + Rappare Harness, whereas my Amemet Mantle +1 and Scorpion Harness will give up close to capped evasion.



#9 Sep 14 2008 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Why bother with rogue's bonnet+1 vs optical hat? (Especially for utsusemi.)


The OP chose Emperor Hairpin as his best evasion piece, I'm guessing because it has +3 AGI over O-hat. So this is sort of an out there topic to begin with.

I was recommending the Bonnet because it's the only one of the three that has some Defense, and suggesting he might want Def over +3 AGI while trying to get shadows back up.

(This is not considering whether he's macroing in haste for the timers.)

24 DEF, or w/e it is, isn't gonna make or break by itself, but it'd be my choice for the head piece in an "Oh crap" equipment macro.





Edited, Sep 14th 2008 10:50am by Turnerbrown
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#10 Sep 14 2008 at 8:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
I was under the assumption that Evasion Skill > most Evasion pieces.


Evasion vs Evasion Skill is Voodoo.

More of either is good, of course, but
which one will do more for you,
on a given job,
in a given situation,
isn't real clear.

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#11 Sep 14 2008 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Turnerbrown wrote:
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Why bother with rogue's bonnet+1 vs optical hat? (Especially for utsusemi.)


The OP chose Emperor Hairpin as his best evasion piece, I'm guessing because it has +3 AGI over O-hat. So this is sort of an out there topic to begin with.

I was recommending the Bonnet because it's the only one of the three that has some Defense, and suggesting he might want Def over +3 AGI while trying to get shadows back up.

(This is not considering whether he's macroing in haste for the timers.)

24 DEF, or w/e it is, isn't gonna make or break by itself, but it'd be my choice for the head piece in an "Oh crap" equipment macro.


Guess I missed that lol, just automatically assumed O-hat was picked. XD Def is just plain lol as well unless you mass stack it. I just can't see myself changing out any haste gear for something else with utsusemi. I know you said it's not considering if he swaps in haste, but why not consider it when the alternative is a 5% haste piece. :p
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#12 Sep 14 2008 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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From my testing, evasion > +evasion skill when the mob is a lower level. When I farm spiders outside Whitegate. I have problem keeping up shadow with my 'boxer mantle' + Rappare Harness, whereas my Amemet Mantle +1 and Scorpion Harness will give up close to capped evasion.

Even if the Boxer's Mantle did exactly nothing, the difference between the Mantle and the Harness would be 10 EVA, or 5% hit rate for the mob. One less hit every 20 swings is not taking you from "problem keeping up shadow" to "close to capped evasion." That also ignores the +Parrying on the Mantle.

The current popular theory on Evasion Skill seems to be that it works in tiers, meaning that it would be possible for +skill to have no effect because of not breaking a new tier, or simply already being at the maximum tier. Even after years of research on evasion tanking, though, the relationship is still not clear. Fortunately, there are very few instances where you need to choose between one and the other on comparable gear in the same slot, so the issue really doesn't come up very much as more than a theoretical discussion.
#13 Sep 14 2008 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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Only addition to evasion I can think of is Wivre ring +1's. +3 eva.
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#14 Sep 14 2008 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Wivre Mask +10 Evasion
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#15 Sep 14 2008 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Emissary boots Lv.69 Def:18 EVA Skill +5/Parry Skill +5
Campaign:EVA+6

Bandolero Scarf: Lv.69 EVA +5
Enhances "Gilfinder" effect

Just throwing another option out there for postings sake. =)


Edited, Sep 14th 2008 5:25pm by BigSexyGalka
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#16 Sep 15 2008 at 7:02 PM Rating: Good
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In my original post, I chose Emperor's Hairpin, as Turnerbrown pointed out, the +3 AGI. My original choice was a Wivre Mask+1, but I changed it just before posting because I figured that +3 AGI put it above the mask in evasion by .5 (Mask+1 = +11... Emp. Pin = +10+3AGI(or effectively +1.5 evasion) = +11.5). Am I wrong on my AGI general assumptions? If so, that would change my Ring1 and Ring2 slots. (Thanks for the Wivre Ring+1 post.)

Yeah, I had considered those earrings. D-Q'd them on account of their effect being conditional. Not saying they're not good, or they have their place.

And to clear up the matter for a few other posts, the point of this set is not an Utsusemi casting macro. Personally for that, I throw on as much haste and fast cast as I can, and then put evasion into the leftover slots. No, this "set" I brought up for discussion isn't even really a set I'd probably use completely. Oh, I'll keep improvoing my current set towards it, but I'd consider the rate of return (benefit per gil/time to obtain,) before I'd build it in completeness. The point is to compile a list of gear that gives the highest evasion boost possible for each equipment slot. This ignores the other attributes of the equipment, such as defense, etc.

I also seperated out my totals as Evasion and Evasion Skill, because I'm not totally sure of the difference in effectiveness, in hopes that someone smarter than myself would come along and set the record straight. Thanks for the input you gave on that topic, guys. Gives me something to think about.

(Also thanks for the post about those Patrician Cuffs, Emisary Boots, and Bandolero Scarf. Thanks!)
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#17 Sep 17 2008 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
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Small sidetrack: Anyone have any idea @ all where these come out of?

Emissary boots Lv.69 Def:18 EVA Skill +5/Parry Skill +5
Campaign:EVA+6

It's gotta be some sort of campaign reward, right? Or NM...?
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I wish I knew where to get them from but I'm pretty sure it's from WotG. I don't have it "yet" but I will after seeing those boots and plus this one....
Gnadbhod's Helm
Lv.71 STR+6 DEX+4 Attk +8 Slow+5%

I will be ordering WotG ASAP lol
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#19 Sep 17 2008 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Emissary boots are from one of the new NM's in Beadeaux [S] named Bres, a MNK fomor. Also drops one of the 8 items required to enter the new BCNM there.

Edit: Gnadbod's helm is from the La Vaule BCNM that you enter after collecting the 8 R/E keys from the 8 new NM's there.

Edited, Sep 17th 2008 5:34pm by chazzyphizzle
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Sweets, you make it sound easy, lol jk.

Edited, Sep 17th 2008 6:43pm by BigSexyGalka
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#21 Feb 24 2010 at 10:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Is all this still accurate? I found this by way of a Google search, as I'm looking to build my own set.
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#22 Feb 25 2010 at 1:45 AM Rating: Good
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Nope, no longer so. Here are your options for "best":

Weapon1: Ermine's Tail
Weapon2: Adder Jambiya +1
Ranged: Ungur
Head: Emp Pin / Wivre Mask +1
Neck: Eva Torque
Ear1: Novia
Ear2: Triton
Body: Antares Harness
Hands: Master Caster's / Denali / Patriarch's(sp?) (for voodoo eva skill)
Ring1: Wivre Ring +1
Ring2: Wivre Ring +1
Back: Boxer's
Waist: Scouter's
Legs: Raven Hose
Feet: Dance Shoes +1

Some of this gear is augmentable. DK if it's possible to get more +eva on them. There's also other augmented gear like ACP/MKE/ASA.
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Shamaya wrote:
Nope, no longer so. Here are your options for "best":

Weapon1: Ermine's Tail
Weapon2: Adder Jambiya +1
Ranged: Ungur
Head: Emp Pin / Wivre Mask +1
Neck: Eva Torque
Ear1: Novia
Ear2: Triton
Body: Antares Harness
Hands: Master Caster's / Denali / Patriarch's(sp?) (for voodoo eva skill)
Ring1: Wivre Ring +1
Ring2: Wivre Ring +1
Back: Boxer's
Waist: Scouter's
Legs: Raven Hose
Feet: Dance Shoes +1

Some of this gear is augmentable. DK if it's possible to get more +eva on them. There's also other augmented gear like ACP/MKE/ASA.


Wouldn't azoth's 4 eva 4 agi beat out adder jambiya +1's 5 eva? I figured since you mentioned antares over SH+1 for the same reasons because of it's AGI.
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That it would, I have been felled. Adder+1 is still better cuz of the added effect (I'd say) but, kinda forgot it actually had less net eva.
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#25 Feb 25 2010 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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If you're considering the Impairs Evasion then you should really drop crap like Emp Pin in favour of Ohat =/

Also just to note, 2x Wivre Ring +1 is only 1Eva more than 2 5AGI rings, which you'll want for TA anyway, so it's up to you if +1Eva is worth the 2inv slots.
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Point you have. I only said Adder+1 because I forgot Azoth had more eva. I have 2 wivre rings +1 that, to be honest, I've only used (1 of them) once or twice in like the last year. I don't find them to be worth it, as is the case for you as well. Also, I too agree that while Emp Pin / Wivre Mask +1 is for max eva, it's gimpy. I have and will always use Optie hat for the same reasons.

Let's be clear about it for sure, max evasion is not always going to be best. And hell, it's not even going to be worth it to go "absolute max evasion" even for your "max evasion" build.

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My current set with desired upgrades in italics.

Azoth/Soon to be Ermine's - I had an Adder Jambiya but I ended up selling it...didn't really see the value for the gil.

Ungur Boomerang/Blind Bolts - I only us Ungur anymore on things that are dark resistant. A good RACC set goes a long way to making hard fights much easier. It is a common missconception that bolts "Just don't proc on harder mobs." I'm not saying this is never the case, but most of the time it is not. Certain mobs are more dark resistant than others, and these won't work of course. But if the mob isn't dark resistant, or insanely higher than you (IE a thf would have no shot in hell at soloing it anyway), then odds are with a good racc set you will land them reliably.

Emp Pin/Ohat - I like the AGL on the emp pin...I is an evasion whore. I wouldn't advocate it to everyone. But I use it. Coupled with Squid +1, I've never really wanted to use Ohat fulltime. Personal preference here for me.

Evasion Torque
Elusive x2 - These will be my last pieces upgraded to a sea earring and MAYBE a Triton...I'm not sure I want to trade 6 attack for 1 evasion. WE'll see.
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War Gloves +1 (I prefer the acc over Denali Stats)/Master Caster's Mitts

Breeze Ring x2. - I wouldn't buy wivre's +1, but the only time I actually use this max evasion set is on very very high level stuff or in Osh*t situations. AGL seems to effect parrying too, which to my knowledge doesnt count toward the 80% cap...also the reason for the emp pin etc.

Boxer's Mantle
Scouter's Rope
Raven Hose
Dance Shoes +1/Trotters - for Kiting..and because hey, not being withing striking range is great for "evading hits" amirite amirite? <.<

Edited, Feb 25th 2010 1:15pm by ThiefKiller
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Wait, you prefer the Acc on War gloves over the PDT on Denali, but prefer the 3AGI over the acc on ohat?

Doesn't make sense to me.
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Noodles wrote:
Wait, you prefer the Acc on War gloves over the PDT on Denali, but prefer the 3AGI over the acc on ohat?

Doesn't make sense to me.


For a couple of reasons. But most importantly, there is no evasion difference between the 2 pieces.

The PDT on denali has no use in an evasion kit (the idea is NOT to get hit). And really? -2% PDT? Is this really an argument? That's a 98 damage hit instead of a 100 damage hit. Which will make literally zero difference with how many hits it takes anything you would need an evasion set for to kill you.

The 1 or 2 more evasion, plus whatever increase to parry the AGL gives, on the pin are just more attractive to me for an evasion set.

I have them both, I carry them both, I use them both. Most of the time I use neither. I just find myself actually using the emp pin more in evasion neccessary situations.

Apart from being useful for just soloing...kiting and pulling are great places to use such a build, coupled with trotter boots. There are many of these situations where you simply won't be "capped evasion" no matter how much evasion you pile on...so I want to have the most that I can. And thats why I carry it.

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For the times when you'll NEED a max evasion setup, and can't make do with out every single last piece you can get, the chances are shadows will go down. At that point the PDT will make much more of a difference than 3AGI.

Also -HP ftl.

Your ideas work assuming you'll have so much eva that you'll never be hit, but you will get hit.

You are maxing eva in a complete 100% eva kit, so don't care about the acc, and so use the emp pin, but then you "prefer the acc from war glvoes".

If you "don't need teh acc from ohat" because you're using something like sushi, then you wont need the acc from War gloves either. Unless your set puts you at 92%+ with sushi...

Separately I understand your two choices, but together they contradict themselves and make no sense.
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Noodles wrote:
For the times when you'll NEED a max evasion setup, and can't make do with out every single last piece you can get, the chances are shadows will go down. At that point the PDT will make much more of a difference than 3AGI.

Also -HP ftl.

Your ideas work assuming you'll have so much eva that you'll never be hit, but you will get hit.

You are maxing eva in a complete 100% eva kit, so don't care about the acc, and so use the emp pin, but then you "prefer the acc from war glvoes".

If you "don't need teh acc from ohat" because you're using something like sushi, then you wont need the acc from War gloves either. Unless your set puts you at 92%+ with sushi...

Separately I understand your two choices, but together they contradict themselves and make no sense.


You almost had me lol. I was going to reply you again. I really was.

I forgot it was you.

I retract my previous, rational explanation and counter with: "What I really should have done was equip my main hand with a Thief's Knife, slapped on my Assissin's Armlets and left all other slots naked. Because lets face it, that is all I was there for. I should leave all the soloing to the REAL solo jobs like RDM."

Hows my favorite lil troll doing anyway?

Edited, Feb 25th 2010 4:07pm by ThiefKiller
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Doesn't look like anyone mentioned Patrician Cuffs, Eva Skill+6 on the hands, no conditions.

When my MST.CST. don't apply, I'll use these over war gloves+1.

Also, Emissary Boots ftw!
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#33 Feb 25 2010 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
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oh, and not to get involved, but Noodles makes a good point in his post.



Try soloing for your Emissary Boots, and you'll see why Max Eva sometimes isn't the best idea, when we can go for strong eva with some different choices.
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Eva skill go awayyyy
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ThiefKiller wrote:
Noodles wrote:
For the times when you'll NEED a max evasion setup, and can't make do with out every single last piece you can get, the chances are shadows will go down. At that point the PDT will make much more of a difference than 3AGI.

Also -HP ftl.

Your ideas work assuming you'll have so much eva that you'll never be hit, but you will get hit.

You are maxing eva in a complete 100% eva kit, so don't care about the acc, and so use the emp pin, but then you "prefer the acc from war glvoes".

If you "don't need teh acc from ohat" because you're using something like sushi, then you wont need the acc from War gloves either. Unless your set puts you at 92%+ with sushi...

Separately I understand your two choices, but together they contradict themselves and make no sense.


You almost had me lol. I was going to reply you again. I really was.

I forgot it was you.

I retract my previous, rational explanation and counter with: "What I really should have done was equip my main hand with a Thief's Knife, slapped on my Assissin's Armlets and left all other slots naked. Because lets face it, that is all I was there for. I should leave all the soloing to the REAL solo jobs like RDM."

Hows my favorite lil troll doing anyway?

Edited, Feb 25th 2010 4:07pm by ThiefKiller

When people don't like to admit they're wrong, they usually attack with any inaccurate argument they can.
Do you genuinely actually think that I go "TH4 and afk after one hit" ?
Really?

Do you really think I'd post this much in this forum if thats what I did?

I don't think I have to prove myself as a real thief to you or anyone else thanks. You can go to Chroma LS's website and look at my application if you are really interested. some key things to note is "Main job (only one allowed): thief 75" and the gearset pics.

Considering I have 9 different SA/TA/WS combination sets, I'd like to see you try and prove I'm a "TH onry" whore.

kthx.

Edited, Feb 26th 2010 9:45am by Noodles
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#36 Feb 26 2010 at 7:45 PM Rating: Good
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Doesn't look like anyone mentioned Patrician Cuffs, Eva Skill+6 on the hands, no conditions.

When my MST.CST. don't apply, I'll use these over war gloves+1.

Also, Emissary Boots ftw!


Most people don't mention them because they are further down the list of good hand pieces, and harder to get than the better ones.

There are a few generally accepted formulae that have evasion skill coming out behind just straight evasion + pieces. One of which, is from 0-200 Skill 1 Evasion skill = 1 Evasion, after 200+ evasion skill 1 evasion skill = .9 evasion. According to this formula, patrician's cuffs actually offer less evasion than Denali or War Gloves +1. Denali offers decent chunks of STR and Attack, War +1 Offers 6 Acc.

Given that Patrician's cuffs don't offer anything useful to a Thf other than best case scenario equal evasion without any other useful stats, I'd say that is why no one mentions them for THF. We just have better, easier to obtain options.

Emissary boots are in a similar boat, but in this case there is no way that their evasion will beat even NQ Dance Shoes. That, and Dance Shoes are very cheap to obtain from the AH.

The parrying on them is a tough thing to quantify because it is so variable. Even players that have it capped will tell you it isn't something you can rely upon. But I'd be willing to wager that even with the +5 parrying skill on them, you won't see he attacks avoided that you will with Dance Shoes +1.

I've heard people say that they are great campaign boots...but I can't see how. You don't get points in campaign for evading hits. When I do campaign, its THF/DNC in full TP/DD gear, pop that body boost and Tank/DD/Take Damage/Cure/WS/Fourish/Voke. This has been the best solo combo I've had expeience with so far to get those 4-5k numbers per battle. So an evasion set wouldn't even factor in for me...unless its an "Osh*t" moment. But I can't see myself grabbing emmisary boots for "Osh*t" moments in campaign.

Edited, Feb 26th 2010 10:08pm by ThiefKiller
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If you're suggesting that in a solo situation, Dance Shoes are better than Emissary Boots, then you gave me my daily dose of lulz and you can go back to trolling noodles.
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If you're suggesting that in a solo situation, Dance Shoes are better than Emissary Boots, then you gave me my daily dose of lulz and you can go back to trolling noodles.

Suggesting it? I'll say it straight up: outside of Campaign, even NQ Dance Shoes are better than Emissary Boots (maybe not if you have capped parrying).

I believe you have fallen victim to the fallacy that because +Evasion skill is more rare (and, consequently, more expensive) than +Evasion, it must therefore be superior. Testing does not agree with this belief:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=10;mid=1205954796117947076;num=63;page=1

+Evasion is better than +Evasion skill. If you feel better spending 500k on a pair of Emissary Boots than 8k on a pair of Dance Shoes (or 300k on a pair of Dance Shoes +1) then go ahead... but don't act like they are actually better. They are the equivalent of a gold-plated iPhone: money that you are spending just to show that you have money.
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Hmmm, I wonder how Ritter Gorget cmopares to Eva Torque then...
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Hmmm, I wonder how Ritter Gorget cmopares to Eva Torque then...


It's what I use. I'll take hp+25 eva+5 emnity+3 over eva skill+7 hp+7 any day.
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Noodles wrote:
Hmmm, I wonder how Ritter Gorget cmopares to Eva Torque then...


It's what I use. I'll take hp+25 eva+5 emnity+3 over eva skill+7 hp+7 any day.
I guess there is still things I can get with Ichor. After Delta Earring, Omega/Iota Rings, Aslan/Gleeman's Capes, Bucc Belt and Morganna's Choker, I was starting to wonder.

Was almost at the stage of Buying an Annimator +1 just so I could drop it.

Edited, Feb 27th 2010 11:09pm by Noodles
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I wouldn't say Ritter Gorget is a bad piece. Of course can't throw eva torque out the window either. So much good thf gear in Einherjar. Some of it situational. Some of it a maybe. And some of it just plain good.
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