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#1 Sep 13 2008 at 11:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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OK fellow THFs, here's a little project I've been working on. I've been researching gear, and have attempted to pin down the absolute best piece of evasion gear for each slot possible. Keep in mind this is just for pure evasion, just to see how high we THFs could possibly get it (on our own, no outside buffs included.) So here's what I've come up with. If you know of a better evasion piece for any given slot, please post it. Is this the best evasion set possible for THF?

Main Hand: Azoth (DMG:35 Dly:210 AGI+4 Eva+4 Acc+4)
Sub: Amir Jambiya (DMG:34 Dly:194 HP+20 Eva+5)
(or) Tariqah+1 (DEF:19 Acc+5 Eva+5)
Ranged: Ungur Boomerang (DMG:30 Dly:220 HP+8 MP+8 Eva+8 Wind+8)
Ammo:
Head: Emperor Hairpin (HP-15 DEX+3 AGI+3 Evasion+10)
Neck: Evasion Torque (HP+7 Evasion Skill+7)
Ear1: Novia Earring (Eva+7 Enmity-7)
Ear2: Triton's Earring (Eva+6 Att-6)
Body: Scorpion Harness+1 (DEF:41 HP+20 Ice-20 Water+20 Dark+20 Acc+12 Eva+12)
Hands: Denali Wristbands (DEF:17 STR+4 MND+4 Att+6 Eva+6 Damage-2%)
Ring1: Nimble Ring (AGI+5 Wind+10)
Ring2: Nimble Ring (AGI+5 Wind+10)
Back: Boxer's Mantle (DEF:8 Guard Skill+10 Evasion Skill+10 Shield Skill+10 Parrying Skill+10)
Waist: Scouter's Rope (DEF:6 HP-40 AGI+4 Eva+10)
Legs: Raven Hose (DEF:21 Eva+6 Enmity-6)
Feet: Dance Shoes+1 (DEF:14 VIT-3 CHR+4 Eva+7)

Food: Jack-o-Lantern (CHR-10 Acc+10 R.Acc+10 Eva+10 Arcana Killer Dark+25)

Totals:

Evasion: +92
AGI: +21
Evasion Skill: +17

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#2 Sep 13 2008 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Main: Auster's Staff (AGI+5 Evasion+10)
Neck: Windurstian Scarf (Outside nation's control: Evasion +7)
Body: Antares Harness? (AGI+8 Evasion+8)
Hands: Master Caster's Mitts (Outside nation's control: AGI+2 Evasion skill+10)
Ring: Wind Ring (Windsday: Evasion+15)
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#3 Sep 13 2008 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the reply. I forgot to mention one thing in my original post. My intention was to find a set that had no conditional qualifiers on evasion bonuses- a set that would work anywhere, anytime. That rules out the Windurstian Scarf, M.C. Mitts, and the Wind Ring, which I had considered.

Antares Harness.. interesting, didn't see that one before. Though, wouldn't it be exactly equally effective for evasion compared to a Scorpion Harness+1? Or does the +AGI have a greater effect than perhaps I realized?

Auster's Staff.. nice, totally didn't even think about non-dagger weapons.

Cool, thanks for the suggestions! Anyone else out there with 2 cents that could improve on this set?
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#4 Sep 13 2008 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd personally go with Rogue's Bonnet +1, or at least work that into a "casting ustsusemi" macro.

I'm also going to guess that you ruled out Bat Earrings because of the need to blind yourself, but you might consider the JSE Rogue's Earring for times when your HP is below 75%. (If that indeed is the trigger..)

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#5 Sep 13 2008 at 9:57 PM Rating: Decent
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The level 70 jse earrings are below 25%hp and above 100tp iirc. The thf one is really tame compared to the others. Ninja is haste+20% and others have damage taken-20%. If it was 75% everybody would be using the latents.

Why bother with rogue's bonnet+1 vs optical hat? (Especially for utsusemi.)
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#6 Sep 14 2008 at 2:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Alright, guys. I'll admit I don't know everything about this job yet/still, but I was under the assumption that Evasion Skill > most Evasion pieces. I use an Evasion Earring (+3 skill). How much generic Evasion+ do I have to put in that ear slot to outshine the Evasion earring?

In fact, here's what I've got for my Evasion set at the moment. Note that I'm not anywhere close to finishing CoP, so any Sea items are, unfortunately, out of the question.

Head: Optical Hat
Neck: Evasion torque
Ear1: Evasion Earring
Ear2: Velocity Earring
Body: Scorpion Harness
Hands: War Gloves +1
Back: Corse Cape
Waist: Scouter's Rope
Legs: OH LOOK I CAN USE THF AF FOR SOMETHING!!!
Feet: Bounding Boots

I've been eyeballing some upgrades (like the Windy CP hands (I'm Bastokan)), but most require me knocking out some missions that require - GASP!! ... other people being on and willing to help me out.

Can anyone recommend any purchases?
#7 Sep 14 2008 at 3:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Not much of an upgrade, but I'd say on your feet I'd slap on some dance shoes or dance shoes +1 for evasion +6/7. All I could see for someone without sea access. Well, I guess you could upgrade velocity earring to one of the rare high level +eva -att earrings, but eh. Oh, look into Patrician's cuffs, the new-ish hands that give flat 6 evasion skill, those are nice.
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#8 Sep 14 2008 at 3:53 AM Rating: Decent
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From my testing, evasion > +evasion skill when the mob is a lower level. When I farm spiders outside Whitegate. I have problem keeping up shadow with my 'boxer mantle' + Rappare Harness, whereas my Amemet Mantle +1 and Scorpion Harness will give up close to capped evasion.



#9 Sep 14 2008 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Why bother with rogue's bonnet+1 vs optical hat? (Especially for utsusemi.)


The OP chose Emperor Hairpin as his best evasion piece, I'm guessing because it has +3 AGI over O-hat. So this is sort of an out there topic to begin with.

I was recommending the Bonnet because it's the only one of the three that has some Defense, and suggesting he might want Def over +3 AGI while trying to get shadows back up.

(This is not considering whether he's macroing in haste for the timers.)

24 DEF, or w/e it is, isn't gonna make or break by itself, but it'd be my choice for the head piece in an "Oh crap" equipment macro.





Edited, Sep 14th 2008 10:50am by Turnerbrown
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#10 Sep 14 2008 at 8:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
I was under the assumption that Evasion Skill > most Evasion pieces.


Evasion vs Evasion Skill is Voodoo.

More of either is good, of course, but
which one will do more for you,
on a given job,
in a given situation,
isn't real clear.

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#11 Sep 14 2008 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Turnerbrown wrote:
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Why bother with rogue's bonnet+1 vs optical hat? (Especially for utsusemi.)


The OP chose Emperor Hairpin as his best evasion piece, I'm guessing because it has +3 AGI over O-hat. So this is sort of an out there topic to begin with.

I was recommending the Bonnet because it's the only one of the three that has some Defense, and suggesting he might want Def over +3 AGI while trying to get shadows back up.

(This is not considering whether he's macroing in haste for the timers.)

24 DEF, or w/e it is, isn't gonna make or break by itself, but it'd be my choice for the head piece in an "Oh crap" equipment macro.


Guess I missed that lol, just automatically assumed O-hat was picked. XD Def is just plain lol as well unless you mass stack it. I just can't see myself changing out any haste gear for something else with utsusemi. I know you said it's not considering if he swaps in haste, but why not consider it when the alternative is a 5% haste piece. :p
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#12 Sep 14 2008 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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From my testing, evasion > +evasion skill when the mob is a lower level. When I farm spiders outside Whitegate. I have problem keeping up shadow with my 'boxer mantle' + Rappare Harness, whereas my Amemet Mantle +1 and Scorpion Harness will give up close to capped evasion.

Even if the Boxer's Mantle did exactly nothing, the difference between the Mantle and the Harness would be 10 EVA, or 5% hit rate for the mob. One less hit every 20 swings is not taking you from "problem keeping up shadow" to "close to capped evasion." That also ignores the +Parrying on the Mantle.

The current popular theory on Evasion Skill seems to be that it works in tiers, meaning that it would be possible for +skill to have no effect because of not breaking a new tier, or simply already being at the maximum tier. Even after years of research on evasion tanking, though, the relationship is still not clear. Fortunately, there are very few instances where you need to choose between one and the other on comparable gear in the same slot, so the issue really doesn't come up very much as more than a theoretical discussion.
#13 Sep 14 2008 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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Only addition to evasion I can think of is Wivre ring +1's. +3 eva.
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#14 Sep 14 2008 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Wivre Mask +10 Evasion
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#15 Sep 14 2008 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Emissary boots Lv.69 Def:18 EVA Skill +5/Parry Skill +5
Campaign:EVA+6

Bandolero Scarf: Lv.69 EVA +5
Enhances "Gilfinder" effect

Just throwing another option out there for postings sake. =)


Edited, Sep 14th 2008 5:25pm by BigSexyGalka
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#16 Sep 15 2008 at 7:02 PM Rating: Good
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In my original post, I chose Emperor's Hairpin, as Turnerbrown pointed out, the +3 AGI. My original choice was a Wivre Mask+1, but I changed it just before posting because I figured that +3 AGI put it above the mask in evasion by .5 (Mask+1 = +11... Emp. Pin = +10+3AGI(or effectively +1.5 evasion) = +11.5). Am I wrong on my AGI general assumptions? If so, that would change my Ring1 and Ring2 slots. (Thanks for the Wivre Ring+1 post.)

Yeah, I had considered those earrings. D-Q'd them on account of their effect being conditional. Not saying they're not good, or they have their place.

And to clear up the matter for a few other posts, the point of this set is not an Utsusemi casting macro. Personally for that, I throw on as much haste and fast cast as I can, and then put evasion into the leftover slots. No, this "set" I brought up for discussion isn't even really a set I'd probably use completely. Oh, I'll keep improvoing my current set towards it, but I'd consider the rate of return (benefit per gil/time to obtain,) before I'd build it in completeness. The point is to compile a list of gear that gives the highest evasion boost possible for each equipment slot. This ignores the other attributes of the equipment, such as defense, etc.

I also seperated out my totals as Evasion and Evasion Skill, because I'm not totally sure of the difference in effectiveness, in hopes that someone smarter than myself would come along and set the record straight. Thanks for the input you gave on that topic, guys. Gives me something to think about.

(Also thanks for the post about those Patrician Cuffs, Emisary Boots, and Bandolero Scarf. Thanks!)
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#17 Sep 17 2008 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
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Small sidetrack: Anyone have any idea @ all where these come out of?

Emissary boots Lv.69 Def:18 EVA Skill +5/Parry Skill +5
Campaign:EVA+6

It's gotta be some sort of campaign reward, right? Or NM...?
#18 Sep 17 2008 at 1:27 PM Rating: Default
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I wish I knew where to get them from but I'm pretty sure it's from WotG. I don't have it "yet" but I will after seeing those boots and plus this one....
Gnadbhod's Helm
Lv.71 STR+6 DEX+4 Attk +8 Slow+5%

I will be ordering WotG ASAP lol
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#19 Sep 17 2008 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Emissary boots are from one of the new NM's in Beadeaux [S] named Bres, a MNK fomor. Also drops one of the 8 items required to enter the new BCNM there.

Edit: Gnadbod's helm is from the La Vaule BCNM that you enter after collecting the 8 R/E keys from the 8 new NM's there.

Edited, Sep 17th 2008 5:34pm by chazzyphizzle
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Sweets, you make it sound easy, lol jk.

Edited, Sep 17th 2008 6:43pm by BigSexyGalka
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#21 Feb 24 2010 at 10:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Is all this still accurate? I found this by way of a Google search, as I'm looking to build my own set.
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#22 Feb 25 2010 at 1:45 AM Rating: Good
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Nope, no longer so. Here are your options for "best":

Weapon1: Ermine's Tail
Weapon2: Adder Jambiya +1
Ranged: Ungur
Head: Emp Pin / Wivre Mask +1
Neck: Eva Torque
Ear1: Novia
Ear2: Triton
Body: Antares Harness
Hands: Master Caster's / Denali / Patriarch's(sp?) (for voodoo eva skill)
Ring1: Wivre Ring +1
Ring2: Wivre Ring +1
Back: Boxer's
Waist: Scouter's
Legs: Raven Hose
Feet: Dance Shoes +1

Some of this gear is augmentable. DK if it's possible to get more +eva on them. There's also other augmented gear like ACP/MKE/ASA.
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#23 Feb 25 2010 at 4:22 AM Rating: Good
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Shamaya wrote:
Nope, no longer so. Here are your options for "best":

Weapon1: Ermine's Tail
Weapon2: Adder Jambiya +1
Ranged: Ungur
Head: Emp Pin / Wivre Mask +1
Neck: Eva Torque
Ear1: Novia
Ear2: Triton
Body: Antares Harness
Hands: Master Caster's / Denali / Patriarch's(sp?) (for voodoo eva skill)
Ring1: Wivre Ring +1
Ring2: Wivre Ring +1
Back: Boxer's
Waist: Scouter's
Legs: Raven Hose
Feet: Dance Shoes +1

Some of this gear is augmentable. DK if it's possible to get more +eva on them. There's also other augmented gear like ACP/MKE/ASA.


Wouldn't azoth's 4 eva 4 agi beat out adder jambiya +1's 5 eva? I figured since you mentioned antares over SH+1 for the same reasons because of it's AGI.
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#24 Feb 25 2010 at 8:35 AM Rating: Good
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That it would, I have been felled. Adder+1 is still better cuz of the added effect (I'd say) but, kinda forgot it actually had less net eva.
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#25 Feb 25 2010 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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If you're considering the Impairs Evasion then you should really drop crap like Emp Pin in favour of Ohat =/

Also just to note, 2x Wivre Ring +1 is only 1Eva more than 2 5AGI rings, which you'll want for TA anyway, so it's up to you if +1Eva is worth the 2inv slots.
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#26 Feb 25 2010 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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Point you have. I only said Adder+1 because I forgot Azoth had more eva. I have 2 wivre rings +1 that, to be honest, I've only used (1 of them) once or twice in like the last year. I don't find them to be worth it, as is the case for you as well. Also, I too agree that while Emp Pin / Wivre Mask +1 is for max eva, it's gimpy. I have and will always use Optie hat for the same reasons.

Let's be clear about it for sure, max evasion is not always going to be best. And ****, it's not even going to be worth it to go "absolute max evasion" even for your "max evasion" build.

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