Quick Draw works?Follow

Just checking if anyone has tried quickdraw and if its gimped in anyway from cor main. Also if it can be used with Xbow marksmanship or only guns.

My cor is only 15, but had fantasies of grandeur as Thf/Cor with culverin/cannon shell soloing annoying mobs like VNMs that have given me grief. Love to know if that works. (It working for Xbow would be kinda cool to, though not as damaging).

I also have rng 75, so even MORE fantasies using my darn heavy shell (D99 culvering bullet) for something awesome.

Just curious about details of quickdraw as a sub and how it affects us since mine wont be 40 for a long time most likely.

Not sure how is the damage gonna be affected.
Main thf here but I do have cor75 also.
Whenever we goes solo, /rdm or even /blm for JT of MAB++, also we do need bio for dot while doing solo.
Oh, not to mention that we use rdm and blm rolls both accessible after lvl50 cor, I think! :p
All macc mab bonus from sub and rolls, which are the main useful DMG+ on Quick Draw.
Looking at Magian, gun dmg is gonna over culverin too.

If QD was not nerf'd, thf and rng can use it for dot occasionally in any HNM events but I personally would go some better sub for their own way of damage!?

Just my two cents :)

As I said, even it is not being nerf'd. You are going with MAB JT, MAB Roll and MACC roll. These buff really make big change on the damage.
You can still solo kite with /cor, but expect to spend double or may be even triple the time of what a main cor solo.
Also losing Bio and cure and blink stoneskin or even shadows, I'm not sure how you can last for a long time solo kiting.

Thanks for puttin that into perspective RVW. TBH chichi I forgot about all those bonuses Cor/Rdm has, including additional accuracy. I'm not sure Cor/Rdm always has much time to cast blink/stoneskin but that is definitely a bonus. And DoT's for sure. So is the ability to cure 3. I suppose on Cor you used yag drinks? Probably not as affective, but Thf/Cor can try idling in regen gear and pop hi potions as an alternative. Additionally thief gets flee and high amounts of evasion, so it's not without its perks. But the /main/ draw of all of this, of course, is treasure hunter. The big flash culverin+1 is cool and all, but if Thf/Cor works, the whole incentive to do it would be for TH.

But Chichi you're a thief too, so if Thf/Cor does work I'm sure you'll be happy ^^ How's that IME going by the way?

Edited, Jun 26th 2010 8:33am by Shamaya

Comparing a perfectly geared COR/RDM to a perfectly geared THF/COR (for damage only, not accuracy, and ignoring slots that don't affect damage):

COR/RDM

Main: HQ Staff
Ranged: Armageddon (DMG 58)
Ammo: Oberon's bullet (DMG77)
Head: Corsair's tricorne
Neck: Ugg pendant (latent activated)
Lear: Moldavite
Rear: Novio
Body: Mirke (MAB+5 QD Recast-5)
Rring: Galdr ring
Back: Forban cape
Waist: Aquiline belt
Legs: Shantotto legs (MAB+4)

QD Damage = (58+77+10)*2*(1+.08+.07+.05+.05+.01+.03+.03+.04+.07 from BLM roll+.24)*1.15 = 145*2*1.67*1.15 = 556 damage

With full QD recast merits and mirke, QD will be used ever 45 seconds. Over the course of 6 minutes, it will be used 9 times (6 mins/45 secs = 8, plus one extra charge) for a total of 5004 damage.


THF/COR

Main: HQ Staff
Ranged: Culverin+1 (51 DMG)
Ammo: Cannon Shell (90 DMG)
Head: Rhee's headgear
Neck: Caract choker
Lear: Moldavite
Rear: Novio
Body: Mirke (MAB+5 QD Recast-5)
Rring: Galdr ring
Waist: Aquiline belt
Legs: Shantotto legs (MAB+4)

QD Damage = (51+90)*2*(1+.02+.02+.05+.07+.05+.01+.03+.03)*1.15 = 141*2*1.28*1.15 = 415 damage

QD will be used every 55 seconds. In 6 minutes it will be used 7.54 times, for a total of 3129 damage.

5004/3129 = 59.9% more damage done by COR.

Is THF/COR solo viable? Absolutely. But I wouldn't say it's anywhere near the same time efficiency (though you do get TH!).

Why doesn't the thf/cor use Ugg pendant aswell?

What I'm trying to say there, it is what Kaishen mentioned.
QD as COR main is more effective than THF.
And completely agreed with Shamaya ( <3 thanks for the IME ) going THF/COR is purely for Treasure Hunter purpose.
It is all up to personal preference playing solo. Perhaps, another thread might be running in COR's when level 90 released, about Cor90/thf45 th2. :)

Shamaya,
I solo'd CoR starts with mab and macc rolls, while mp low by using bio or cure or stoneskin, rep macc roll with refresh. Then alter the rolls when Mp is good. Kiting with Skadi and QD, won't really get hit much. But stoneskin only in case you make mistake or the mob cheated (short cut).
I'm going to try flying dragon in Xarcabard one day. Might take long time to get it done...
:p

p.s. By the way, a Vajra was born in Asura. Wigmore is the JPN who made it and PM me a message about it.


Edited, Jun 27th 2010 3:09am by chichicha

Well now that it seems there isn't a current Thf vs Cor debate, at least until people go out and try Thf/Cor for the first time and report success rates, I want to ask you guys,

About how much AGI do you want to have in your set? Maybe for like, a tier2 VNM, let's say. Like Feuerenke or Erebus. What's a good ratio for AGI:MAB? 1:1? 1:2? 2:1? I put down an all AGI set for Thf/Cor in my "best sets" thread, but I'm a nub.

Chichi, if you attempt Zirnitra solo at some point, I won't discourage you. But I think it may be difficult. For Rdm/Nin, it hasn't been solo'd but duo (well, I did trio) is definitely not hard with movement speed if you know what you're doing. It seems almost impossible to not get hit by him sometimes, to be honest. Because of draw-in there are only two rocks to kite around, and while they are good I'm not sure they are perfect. But now that I think about it, with quick draw kite and the right equip swapping, you don't get frozen in place as you kite like a magic caster does. And also, his silencega would not be as major of a problem. Sounds difficult though :X. If you try it, good luck!

Never thought about Evolith!!!
Good idea and nice to mention them!
Will have a look into them vs ebons!

As for AGI vs MAB, what I did as COR is to pump in as much MAB as possible and any other slots can be filled with MAB, I will have AGI in for them. Of course, beside head is always AF hat. Hmm... Bare in mind that my COR had QD Acc merit cap though.
So I guess as for other jobs, we might want to load in more AGI for QD Acc.
My cor has around 119 AGI in total while doing my QD set. Not entirely pumped with MAB...
And oh yea, i'm a taru :p

Pardon the necro, but why would you want to use a staff and cut off all your other abilities when the +8 Magic Attack Bonus Magian dagger is like, the easiest elemental trial in the whole game?

1. +8 Magic Attack pales in comparison to staff bonuses

2. QD kiting involves zero use of any abilities you would need a dagger for.

/COR does not have much use in any other context. Its not a bad sub for a TH mule being 3boxed, but to use it in any event just doesnt seem worth it in any way.

I guess you could use THF/COR for stuff you are manaburning if you have the spot open. But then it would just be QDs randomly for damage or 1% mob kills type of thing. idk, its reaching to try to find purpose in thf/cor aside from low level things (like as a sync for an AB).

If you are on a run where you get SJ as thf, i guess thats fine. Not much damage, the 1 buff could come in handy. I think i would still use /nin or even /rng and RA.

Can always stick TH with any ranged weapon with any sj, so thats not really a bonus. And if i have a sj on nms, /nin will be way more damge than the 1 or 2 QDs i might get in.