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#27 May 21 2008 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe the fSTR thing helps out, but isn't it dependent on weapon rank? At 30-40 range you're at what...rank 4 or 5?

Yep, first rank 6 katana is directly at 40.
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#28 May 21 2008 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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"Rajas is best to use from 30-75 even w/o the Store TP"

Umm...huh? The STP is the only thing that makes it usable (if it lowers your hits to 100)


it's a relic from when 1STR gave 1ATT, though on further thought even then mighty*2 1-34, mighty+venerer 34-40 was probably the way. it's a really smalli difference 34 on i'd say (mighty*2 vs mighty + venerer vs rajas + venerer). at 45 i think it's fine to fulltime, especially since at 50 it will shave off a hit without needing to sacrifice any slots to shinimusha gear.

if i had rajas and were leveling SAM again, i'm not sure i'd buy a 2nd sniper/woodsman for just 5 levels, unless i was really confident the price wasn't going to continue dropping.
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#29 May 21 2008 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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Just want to say thanks for this guide, it's been a big help in planning my 75 gear. I've had a vague idea how Store TP works from reading around the forum, but I wasn't sure how to go about applying it, and you've cleared that up for me nicely. Thank you very much :D
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#30 May 21 2008 at 9:59 PM Rating: Good
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Just want to say thanks for this guide, it's been a big help in planning my 75 gear. I've had a vague idea how Store TP works from reading around the forum, but I wasn't sure how to go about applying it, and you've cleared that up for me nicely. Thank you very much :D


mm, this is a very good guide. i've linked it in replies to people dozens of times; it really ought to be stickied.
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#32 Jun 26 2008 at 10:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Necrobump but I don't care. This needs to be stickied!
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#33 Jun 26 2008 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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not very good with math so here is my question.

How much store TP you need to acheive a 6 hits with the new katana? Delay 378.

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#34 Jun 26 2008 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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I'm planning an update to this post with the new Store TP gear available. I plan to include a line for the 378 delay katana. Stay tuned.
#35 Jun 26 2008 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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I'm planning an update to this post with the new Store TP gear available. I plan to include a line for the 378 delay katana. Stay tuned.
that will be lulz to see if people actually GEAR for a X-hit with that ~_~
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#36 Jun 26 2008 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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How much store TP you need to acheive a 6 hits with the new katana? Delay 378.

TP: 5.0 + [(378 - 180) * 6.5] / 270 = 9.7
16.7/9.7 = 1.73
73 - 25 (store TP IV) - 10 (merits) = 38 sTP needed from gear/food/buffs, almost the same as you'd need to make 5-hit with a 450 delay weapon aka not rly worth it.

5-hit = 107
6-hit = 73
7-hit = 48
8-hit = 29


Edited, Jun 26th 2008 7:13pm by shintasama
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Updated. Anything with an * is new/changed. 378 line added after 74, but please, please, PLEASE don't use that gkatana any time you need to WS...
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How much store TP you need to acheive a 6 hits with the new katana? Delay 378.

TP: 5.0 + [(378 - 180) * 6.5] / 270 = 9.7
16.7/9.7 = 1.73
73 - 25 (store TP IV) - 10 (merits) = 38 sTP needed from gear/food/buffs, almost the same as you'd need to make 5-hit with a 450 delay weapon aka not rly worth it.

5-hit = 107
6-hit = 73
7-hit = 48
8-hit = 29


so for a 7 hits, you need 13 Tp store from gears. Gloves (+8) and rajas (+5) and you are all set for this katana. Gonna try to obtain it and try it in a party just for kicks. Gonna ask my friend sam that have all the same has me and gonna parsed it for fun.

Edit: btw, we are like .5% from each other everytime I've parsed our party.

Edited, Jun 28th 2008 2:23am by cheza
#39 Jun 28 2008 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm pretty sure you're going to lose, but I want to see by how much. Please post the parse when you are done.
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Bump ~ Ppl would rather just make a new post rather than check the 2nd or 3rd page for what has already been posted and well documented...

This is a very nice guide btw. =D
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#41 Dec 01 2008 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
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Obligatory bump so I don't have to go back 10 pages to find this when I'm too lazy to do sTP calcs.

which admin do I need to /toss something @ to get this stickied?

edit (because I might as well add something useful given I already did math):

unhasted time to WS (from 0tp):
480 delay 5 hit- 40sec
450 delay 6 hit- 45sec
378 delay 7 hit- 44.1sec

after initial WS:
480 delay 5 hit- 32sec
450 delay 6 hit- 37.5sec
378 delay 7 hit- 37.8sec

Edited, Dec 1st 2008 7:31pm by shintasama
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#42 Dec 05 2008 at 9:35 PM Rating: Good
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Shin, Milich has it linked in the first response to Bleam's stickied Samurai Equipment Guide (12-FEB-2008) :)

Kinda not so obvious, but it's (sorta) stickied :/

Edited, Dec 6th 2008 3:28am by DenjinOfLeviathan
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#43 Dec 15 2008 at 9:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Something is off here. I know from experience and by formula that raja alone will give you 7 hit at level 50.
11.5 * 1.25 = 14.375, truncated to 14.3
14.3 * 7 = 100.1

Doofus edit:
Bah, I was looking at that 26 and I thought it was off. My fault there.

Edited, Dec 15th 2008 5:14pm by anonone
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#44 Dec 15 2008 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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anonone wrote:
Something is off here. I know from experience and by formula that raja alone will give you 7 hit at level 50.
11.5 * 1.25 = 14.375, truncated to 14.3
14.3 * 7 = 100.1


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Delay - - - TP - - - 9 Hit - - 8 Hit - - 7 Hit - - 6 Hit - - 5 Hit 
 
396 - - - - 10.2 - - - -0 - - - - 3 - - - --21 
399 - - - - 10.2 - - - -0 - - - - 3 - - - --21 
407 - - - - 10.4 - - - -0 - - - - 1 - - - --18 
420 - - - - 10.7 - - - -0 - - - - 0 - - - --14 
428 - - - - 10.9 - - - -0 - - - - 0 - - - --12 
437 - - - - 11.1 - - - -0 - - - - 0 - - - --9 
450 - - - - 11.5 - - - -0 - - - - 0 - - - --5 - - - - -26 
464 - - - - 11.8 - - - -0 - - - - 0 - - - --0 - - - - -17 
480 - - - - 12.2 - - - -0 - - - - 0 - - - --0 - - - - -9 
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Nice stuff, Aki. I'd like to check this out by equipment slot (instead of by level). Anyone have a chart like that, or a link to a good equipment DB site that I can querry?

Edit: I found what I needed here.

Edited, Dec 22nd 2008 4:21pm by OmmyLeviathan
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bump. I love this post, I swear I refer to this thing all the time.
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#47 Jan 23 2009 at 8:06 PM Rating: Good
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this thread needs to be stickied.
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#48 Jan 27 2009 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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W007! Stickied :D
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Quick question to make sure I understand this...

Wife has a Hagun...she was wondering about the usefulness of Store TP merits and I told her I'd find out what gear + merits she'd need to hit a 6 hit build.

Using the chart at the top (this is an awesome post btw), 450 delay, she needs 46 store TP for a 6 hit build. Job Trait at 75 gives 25 store TP, so I'm looking for 21 Store TP from a build.

One way I can see her getting this currently is Hachiman Hands/Feet (8/5), Shinimusha Haidate (6), and one Store TP merit. We're working on CoP, so eventually a Rajas ring is a possibility. We're doing Nyzul, so Askar Korazin is a maybe at some point. Small things like Chiv.Chain and Ecphoria Ring are options as well.

My question really becomes "is a 6-hit build worth gearing up with these 3 pieces"? Or would it be better to just stick with a 7 hit for now until either Askar, Rajas, or she's able to put more merits into it?
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Just looking for verification here. At lvl 75, with full STP merits, you'll need 11 STP from gear to achieve a 6-hit build, correct?

Also, can you swap out the STP gear during a WS? I imagine doing so would still take 6 additional hits to get over 100 TP. Is it better to WS in STP gear? Seems like doing so would only take 5 hits to get over 100 TP.
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Also, can you swap out the STP gear during a WS? I imagine doing so would still take 6 additional hits to get over 100 TP. Is it better to WS in STP gear? Seems like doing so would only take 5 hits to get over 100 TP.


Well, if you WS in Hachiman Sun-ate, Brutal and Raja's Ring (almost what i have -Brutal), then you will still enough store TP to maintain the 6hit. If however you are missing Rajas, then Hachiman Domaru has enough Store-TP to make up for it (what Im using now until I get me some Osode).

Hope that answers your question
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