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#1 Oct 07 2010 at 12:28 AM Rating: Default
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Before it was simple.
6-hit first, then toss haste where available. This was before Haste was so easy to come by and stack high however.
Now people are talking 5-hit and such due to the massive sTP equip available.

However every time I check somewhere it mentions Usukane, Rajas, and Brutal.
Well, I will never get any Usu. Ever. Looks amazing, would love to, not willing to do Salvage. Wasn't before I quit, definitely not now that the players have move up and beyond it.

Raja's and Brutal are excellent... if you have them. Waiting on friends for CoP(I know most can be solo'd, but I am waiting on them just the same and the ones coming up are not soloable anyhow for me).

My question is simple:
Gear for 6-hit or gear for haste?

Current Gear:
Keito(1st Trial)
Pole Strap
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Bibiki Seashell
Perle Salade
Chiv Chain
Bushi / Fowling
Perle Hauberk
Perle Moufles
Sniper's / Woodsman
Amemet+1
Headlong Belt
Perle Brayettes
Perle Solerets

With this it gives me 17% Haste + Hasso(not to mention 18acc 25atk and 30str).
But I am wayyy off on sTP.
Right now I have only the +1 from Chiv Chain and ONE merit..(I know, just dinged 80 though)

So my question is this: Do I swap out Perle for Shinimusha Haidate / Hara-Ate. I'd say Hachiman but the AH has been void of those for over 3 weeks now. Any piece but body anyhow.

I can camp the Haidate(yay Gobbie things) and I have the Subligar for the Hara-Ate.

Trying to do these WS trials so I can fairly assess Keito+1 WSD+10% since it's "so good" and would love to know: Haste vs sTP to get it done before I go mad.

In the meantime.. off to Uleguerand!
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#2 Oct 07 2010 at 12:42 AM Rating: Good
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The correct answer is stop playing sam until you and your friends have like, 5 hours where you can knock out promanthia missions.

Both Unkai Head and Legs +1 are relatively easy to get in a week or two. There's absolutely no reason to not have swift belt, either, considering how easy the pop is to farm and that the NMs themselves are soloable now.

Get the key pieces of gear, do the WS DMG+10% Keito during/in the mean time while you strive towards Kokush*tsunotachi +1 (the OAT).

And I'll bite; for simplicities sake, hurry up and 5/5 STP merits and just go full haste. Either way you're gimp until you finish sea.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 2:44am by Logiks
#3 Oct 07 2010 at 12:49 AM Rating: Good
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Logiks wrote:
The correct answer is stop playing sam until you and your friends have like, 5 hours where you can knock out promanthia missions.

Both Unkai Head and Legs +1 are relatively easy to get in a week or two. There's absolutely no reason to not have swift belt, either, considering how easy the pop is to farm and that the NMs themselves are soloable now.

Get the key pieces of gear, do the WS DMG+10% Keito during/in the mean time while you strive towards Kokush*tsunotachi +1 (the OAT).

And I'll bite; for simplicities sake, hurry up and 5/5 STP merits and just go full haste. Either way you're gimp until you finish sea.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 2:44am by Logiks


Thanks for the reply at least.
Yeah, I am gimp right now. No gear+no gil+no IS/CP to start. Working on it.
Friends aren't even level 20 yet. Kinda screwed there, not the time issue so much aside that they are a pita to get on all at once.
Unkai again I assume you meant with group. Would love to, will try working for one with the people I know who are 80+.
Didn't know Swift was -soloable- thought just Low-manable. I'll work on that tonight.
Doubt I will really care to do Koku as much as I love Sam, I play 100% for fun. I don't do endgame and doubt I will this time. I quit for a reason 2 years ago lol.
Merits are current priority over exp, just had to hit 80 first.
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#4 Oct 07 2010 at 2:20 AM Rating: Good
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Merits are current priority over exp, just had to hit 80 first.


You could of started (and strill can) every abyss pty you join getting 10/10 mp's before exp. Even if the pty only lasts for that, or 1-2 levels after it, your still doing it right and you can put those vital merits into STP and Overwhelm which are vital for SAM's performance.

Im doing that with my COR so im meriting it and leveling it at the same time. ALso joining an abyss pty @85 for 10/10mp's is kinda lame. If you like a job, take pride in it and do the things that are needed. Theres no rush for you to get to 80 or 85, because you'll be getting there gimp.


AF3+1 really is easy to work on, the legs especially so from the easy solo quest Cookbook of Hope restoring just zone in first and get all the confluxes then you can bang out the quest every 2-3mins of abyss time.

AF3+1 head seals you just have to join NM groups for, but I'd think they'd be unhappy if you joined up in your current gear.

Use Hachiman Kote for your 6HIT, finish cop (its very easy now and a lot is solo-able) and make that 6HIT. You don't need end game for this sh*t and SAM is one of the easiest jobs to gear for outside of HQing it. IF they none on AH do a /sh for them, or get a crafter to make them for you.

Also, chuck the Bibiki seashell.



Edited, Oct 7th 2010 4:27am by Sandmasterr
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#5 Oct 07 2010 at 3:56 AM Rating: Decent
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I would not wait for people who are level 20 to ever finish CoP. And you should have no problem soloing Swift Belt or any of the Fomors in the zone to get hate. Getting the Taurs to drop the Codex is the only monotonous part. SAM can also easily solo or duo the pop for Soboro if you do not yet have it [for SAM/DNC.]

An 85 SAM should be able to do every mission solo, until perhaps some of the 5-1 3 paths fights, which would perhaps only require a WHM, RDM, SCH, or BRD to help, or maybe even just a 2nd DD. Airship can probably be solo'd by SAM85, definitely duo'd. Tenzen maybe 2-3, if not outright solo'd. The only things where you will require a group will be past 8-1.

-Get 85
-Finish merits
-Find a better LS/group of friends
-Get CoP done
-Limbus for Brutal Earring

Worry first about those things. Without Usu body/feet, and/or some of the SAM accessories, you will be unable to have a 5-hit. Get a 6-hit first, and then go from there. These things take time. You don't have to have every single piece of gear off the bat, but you do have to work for them if you want to get somewhere.

If the Body and hands from Abyssea AF follow the trends [and we get more StP] it should be fairly easy to have a 5 hit at 90-99.

Edited, Oct 7th 2010 4:58am by Palides
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#6 Oct 07 2010 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Excellent. Thank you for the responses.
I know Seashell has to go, gonna snag a Tiphia next time one pops on AH until I can get the guts to farm for Black Tathlum... figure I should focus on some other things first though(namely the back piece with acc/str).

Going to work on my Keito I guess. Ran to Ule, aggro'd NM and died in 10sec with my NPC so kinda PO'd about that and leveling a lowbie job for now.

I will definitely get to work on those AF quests though and you really think Tenzen/Airship can be solo'd?!
I have SOME eva set (Hanzo Tekko, O.Hat, SH) but even at 75 those were rough way back when... did they nerf difficulty as well?


(I have Soboro/Plat Grip and /Dnc to 37)
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#7 Oct 07 2010 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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I know Seashell has to go, gonna snag a Tiphia next time one pops on AH until I can get the guts to farm for Black Tathlum... figure I should focus on some other things first though(namely the back piece with acc/str).


I am assuming the back piece you are referring to is Cuch. Mantle. I would put that on way lower priority along with black tathlum (which I don't know if I would bother with at all). A tiphia sting, on my server anyways, is 25K while a Cuch. Mantle is 2.4mil. The increase in your performance for your money is actually going to be way higher on the tiphia sting. Also consider Thew Bomblet as an alternative upgrade to Black Tathlum as well (Thew is better if your accuracy is capped).

Your biggest focus should be on getting to at least a 6-hit build, with hopefully 20% haste, but maybe trying to get towards 25% (/DRG with wyvern earring).


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Trying to do these WS trials so I can fairly assess Keito+1 WSD+10% since it's "so good"


I don't know why you are still being a passive aggressive jerk about it. If you looked on the SAM forums right here you would see that the math has been done demonstrating Keito+1 to be better than Hagun. Hagun was pretty much dead at the level 80 cap rise, but it was still the tops for pure weaponskill damage. Now it isn't even tops for that, as you can see by the math in this thread: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?fjob=13&mid=128398356525141433&page=1
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#8 Oct 07 2010 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
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See I somehow missed that post :( I've been idly looking for a post with math to show me it's really worth the time and that one does it.
Just hard to get over people saying "it sucks" and getting the new tricks for this old dog :P
So Thew Bomblet over Tathlum eh? I can do that... it's 25% the cost.

People mentioned "in that gear" what else needs to go? I know I -should- camp the Sau(S) and Rolan(S) Mandy NM's for the AMAZING rings but horror stories of 1/38 deter right now. Likely something I will do on a Sunday while watching football.
Should I focus effort on Campaign so I can get a Rose Strap?
Is Amemet+1 acceptable? Cuch Mantle looks nice, and I know Cerb/Forager's are nice but huge costs.
If I snag 6-hit now, I lose 7%-8% haste on the get-go.

Again this is a LOT to do with the WS Trials efficiency as well as exping.

I do appreciate the replies, as jerk-like as I am to give up Hagun :p Just hard having farmed MILLIONS for it before and it being the big accomplishment as Sam in the day. Now it's meh D:
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#9 Oct 07 2010 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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know I -should- camp the Sau(S) and Rolan(S) Mandy NM's for the AMAZING rings but horror stories of 1/38 deter right now. Likely something I will do on a Sunday while watching football.
Should I focus effort on Campaign so I can get a Rose Strap?
Is Amemet+1 acceptable? Cuch Mantle looks nice, and I know Cerb/Forager's are nice but huge costs.
If I snag 6-hit now, I lose 7%-8% haste on the get-go.


You definitely do not need Lava's and Kusha's rings. Remember, SAM wants to full time Rajas ring, and those rings require both to activate the set bonus. Rose Strap is only necessary if you need to Store TP. One nice "perk" about the Keito+1 GKT's is they are slightly higher delay, so you need slightly less Store TP in gear to get a 6-hit (and eventually 5-hit). Using a Keito+1, with max Store TP merits and Rajas ring, you have a 6-hit.

Amemet+1 is certainly acceptable. There's Unkai Sugemino now which is better than Foragers. Cuch is certainly nice, but its something you might want to pick up after you finish other slots.

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I do appreciate the replies, as jerk-like as I am to give up Hagun :p Just hard having farmed MILLIONS for it before and it being the big accomplishment as Sam in the day. Now it's meh D:


Its understandable. I think I paid 3 mil for mine and sold it for 300k. Just remember though, there is a reason its price has crashed.
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#10 Oct 08 2010 at 2:19 AM Rating: Good
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Im thinking this would be an ideal starting set to work towards that will allow you to perform alright, and you can work on getting the beter armors for the slots after:

TP set:

Weapon: Keito +1 (also currently the best none relicy GK)
ammo: Thew Bomblet
Head: Perle
Neck: Chiv Chain
Ear1: Brutal Earring (finish CoP priority!)
Ear2: Fowling (or ideally wyvern and /DRG)
Body: Perle
Hands: Perle
Ring1: Rajas (finish Cop Priority!)
Ring2: Woodsman or Sniper or blood ring
Back: Amemet +1
Waist: Swift belt (if you don't want to solo, /sh in WG for 2-3 more ppl who want it)
Legs: Perle
Feet: Perle
Food: Pizza
SJ for PTY's /WAR or /DRG (I prefer /DRG by a long shot for many many reasons)
With STP 5/5 merits you have your 6HIT


WS (Yuki/Gekko/Kasha) set: (I don't know if you use scripts on PC, or play on XBOX or PS2)

Head: Perle
Neck: Chiv Chain
Ear1: Brutal
Ear2: Fowling
Body: Hachiman
hands: Pallas bracelets
Ring1: Rajas
Ring2: STR +4-5 ring
back: Smildon+1 Mantle
Waist: Warwolf belt
legs: Perle
Feet: Perle

W/o doing any math I think thats a 6HIT, you might need to swap some of the Perle on WS for Hachiman tho, obviously asuming you have 5/5STP merits.


It obvious from the list you'll have most of that as its very cheap, you need to work hard on 5/5STP merits, swift belt, and COP missions. After that you can start the fun part of tweaking your SAM with the good gears, doing AF3 runs, camping abyss NM's, gettin WS gorgets, low manning old endgmae etc.


Edited, Oct 8th 2010 4:21am by Sandmasterr
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#11 Oct 08 2010 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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Huge thanks for that. I may have snagged a "static"(1 stop shop) for CoP this Sunday starting at 3 Paths(UGHH) so that SHOULD be done.
Brutal will be a bugger and a half but I can work on it.
Rest seems easy enough, though I have Bushi so I will full-time that with Brutal ~.^
The sTP will be enough (256 delay = 12 sTP = 5 merits + brutal + chiv).

Still in a phenomenal party right now. Went from 100 into 80, to 85 capped XP and so far 26 merits.
Capped sTP, got Meditate to 3/5
Now I gotta finish Medi and cap Gkt 3/8 atm :D

*edit* ended with 36 merits... oh and Magian Trials 1595 amd 1596 done >.>
Now to find birds! I hear Oubliette is good but not a fan of bats D:

Edited, Oct 8th 2010 8:45am by Dinishte
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#12 Oct 08 2010 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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Sandmasterr wrote:


Weapon: Keito +1 (also currently the best none relicy GK)


http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100921223444/ffxi/images/e/e9/Trial2119.jpg

#13 Oct 08 2010 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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Read another post about Keito.. ran to Oubliette... bats are TWTBW -.-
Any other NPC'able areas? I really rather not just kill birds in Nashmau pointlessly when I could at least exp my NPC :/
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#14 Oct 08 2010 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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Bibiki Bay, Tragopan.

The lake outside nashmau is usually best though.
#15 Oct 08 2010 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks. I'll check Bibiki, then when NPC leaves hit up Nashmau. Could use the IS anyhow as minuscule as it will be.
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