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Target: Greater Colibri, and probably about 10 or so Battle Buggards.
Tank WAR75/NIN37 no food
Faffy DRG75/SAM37 meat
SAM SAM75/WAR37 meat
DRG2 DRG73/WAR36 sushi
WHM
BRD
Remember when I said "match us up against the best and then you have a useful parse?" Well. I know a SAM with a stage 4 relic, cursed gear, god gear, a few HQ this and thats, etc. The DRG is also well equipped for a 73 (fourth job).
But Faffy, but Faffy! Colibri are weak to piercing! Very astute observation. At first look this would seem biased, except that almost everywhere you camp in ToAU has piercing weak mobs. Colibri, Puk, Flies, all merit fodder. Therefore, I'd say this is a fair assesment of our merit party potential.
Looking at the other DRG for a moment, you can see he held his own fairly well despite being two levels our junior and thus having no merits. While he didn't approach the SAM's damage, he did surpas the unable to eat WAR/NIN. I could have improved my damage with a little more accuracy, but my pants are due back from upgrade till sunday :/.
Despite this, I still wouldn't try to suggest going toe to toe with a BB MNK or a Ridill WAR and expecting similar results. In otherwords, MNK and WAR do have a few rare tools that make them ridiculously powerful, and will most likely do more damage than you.
P.S.: Wyverns have terrible critical hit rates.
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That drg2 is 73, it means (no merit) and lower weapon skill lv, I think hard to compare with a 75 DRG (with merited. Even he has good equip still hard to out- damage other merited 75 DD jobs. So better ignore that drg2, coz he is under- standard (not fair ot him) in the merit party.
Also, i can see the results to figure it. i mean let's see the Melee acc% coloumn, DRG2 with sushi >> 85.34%, Faffy with meat >> 82.56%.
Reason is coz of lack of weapon skill lv, coz of lv 73 cap and with out merit.
Also, i can see the results to figure it. i mean let's see the Melee acc% coloumn, DRG2 with sushi >> 85.34%, Faffy with meat >> 82.56%.
Reason is coz of lack of weapon skill lv, coz of lv 73 cap and with out merit.
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Yea faff stated that he was level 73
unless he bothered meriting polearm/Str/crit on his SAM75, WAR75, or PLD75.
just saying it's possible, not likely.
just saying it's possible, not likely.
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My NIN parses like 550+ average jins on colibris, my WAR friend averages like 700ish rampages, MNK/WAR averages like 600-700ish on those, for colibri, we usually use for Minuet + Madrigal because we just spam meatkabobs for cheap food.
Never tried the area (or any meriting in general >_>) with DRG...but my combat merit is on katana, so I don't know if I can parse as well as hardcore DRG, that and I don't think I have half the extensive gearset for DRG compared to NIN (read: my DRG gear is lolgimp).
Those parsed ACC also seem kinda low if you're running 1 madrigal, mind telling me which particular songs the BRD is running? The averages for WS and melee are too low for 2x Minuet, and the overall ACC seem low for Min/Mad. I'm gonna guess March/Min, though it's not really that good of a combo unless your party is packed with haste based DD like NIN, MNK and WAR, especially in a zone where you can't use sushi.
And to be fair, if the WAR/NIN is tanking, his DD capability is cut down by a ******** because of shadow recasting.
North mamool ja, Zhayolm and Tandjana Islet mamools, Caedarva Trees all lack piercing based mob or only have little amount (I think north mamool has like 2-3 puks only), Tandjana Mamools being my favorite (gogo 22k/hour burn party)
To be fair though, Greater Colibri camp probably has the highest potential, though I've only done around 20k/hourish on them, but I've read and heard from my friends that it can upward hit 25k+, from the looks of things the past week though, the Tandjana Islet is gonna be the new Caedarva Mire, so it may be kinda hard to get that kind of exp/hour in the future...
Overall, seem like a fair parse, though the overall numbers seems somewhat lower from what I'm used to, could you possibly give more details on the merit/gear/songs? Also, do you mind posting the overall exp/hour to show the pace of the party?
I need to get my DRG friend to test out the camp, though from what I've seen, this camp is made for MNK/WAR...colibri and bugard doesn't have that much that will kill a berserked MNK (unlike Wyverns or Mamool Jas), and MNK just destroys those low defense birds.
Never tried the area (or any meriting in general >_>) with DRG...but my combat merit is on katana, so I don't know if I can parse as well as hardcore DRG, that and I don't think I have half the extensive gearset for DRG compared to NIN (read: my DRG gear is lolgimp).
Those parsed ACC also seem kinda low if you're running 1 madrigal, mind telling me which particular songs the BRD is running? The averages for WS and melee are too low for 2x Minuet, and the overall ACC seem low for Min/Mad. I'm gonna guess March/Min, though it's not really that good of a combo unless your party is packed with haste based DD like NIN, MNK and WAR, especially in a zone where you can't use sushi.
And to be fair, if the WAR/NIN is tanking, his DD capability is cut down by a ******** because of shadow recasting.
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But Faffy, but Faffy! Colibri are weak to piercing! Very astute observation. At first look this would seem biased, except that almost everywhere you camp in ToAU has piercing weak mobs. Colibri, Puk, Flies, all merit fodder. Therefore, I'd say this is a fair assesment of our merit party potential.
North mamool ja, Zhayolm and Tandjana Islet mamools, Caedarva Trees all lack piercing based mob or only have little amount (I think north mamool has like 2-3 puks only), Tandjana Mamools being my favorite (gogo 22k/hour burn party)
To be fair though, Greater Colibri camp probably has the highest potential, though I've only done around 20k/hourish on them, but I've read and heard from my friends that it can upward hit 25k+, from the looks of things the past week though, the Tandjana Islet is gonna be the new Caedarva Mire, so it may be kinda hard to get that kind of exp/hour in the future...
Overall, seem like a fair parse, though the overall numbers seems somewhat lower from what I'm used to, could you possibly give more details on the merit/gear/songs? Also, do you mind posting the overall exp/hour to show the pace of the party?
I need to get my DRG friend to test out the camp, though from what I've seen, this camp is made for MNK/WAR...colibri and bugard doesn't have that much that will kill a berserked MNK (unlike Wyverns or Mamool Jas), and MNK just destroys those low defense birds.
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He was using double Minuet for some reason. I didn't complain though because he was an excellent puller.
I have no idea about the exp/hour, it seemed pretty quick, but I wasn't really paying attention and I usually don't to that. Think this parser can do that... dunno.
Yes the SAM has brought his MNK out here (lots of gear transfers over) and he was tanking half the time. Which brings up another advantage DRG has. While I was able to do more damage, I ate only a third of the food he did. The SAM went through, I think, 13 pieces of food. Meanwhile, I only ate 4 (no sanction enhancement, stolen twice).
Personally I had more fun tanking on PLD/NIN going Joy/Kclub with ATT gear and getting madrigals. But that's only because that club makes me giggle (it's a friend's). The THF used a merc.kriss and I rarely lost hate so everyone could eat their fancy foods.
I have no idea about the exp/hour, it seemed pretty quick, but I wasn't really paying attention and I usually don't to that. Think this parser can do that... dunno.
Yes the SAM has brought his MNK out here (lots of gear transfers over) and he was tanking half the time. Which brings up another advantage DRG has. While I was able to do more damage, I ate only a third of the food he did. The SAM went through, I think, 13 pieces of food. Meanwhile, I only ate 4 (no sanction enhancement, stolen twice).
Personally I had more fun tanking on PLD/NIN going Joy/Kclub with ATT gear and getting madrigals. But that's only because that club makes me giggle (it's a friend's). The THF used a merc.kriss and I rarely lost hate so everyone could eat their fancy foods.
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lol
Bravo
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The SAM's parse seems very odd to me, as I also have a 75SAM. First, his WS average seems low, under 700. With WAR sub and capped Overwhelm merits (I am assuming a 4th stage relic SAM has capped Overwhelm) I average consisnterly higher than that, and my gear is not that great. Secondly, his mele average seems very high...141.8. It almost seems like he was using the Stage 4 relic instead of the hagun, which is not such a smart thing to do.
Lastly, with respect to jobs and meriting: There are Blackbelt Monks, Ridilled WAR's, and everyone else. The "everyone else" damage output as good as their gear and merits. Job is irrelevant, any 75DD well geared and merits is perefectly capable of outputting enough damage for chain 100+ parties.
Perhaps the only job I feel bad for XP wise are Darknights, not because they can't do damage, but because they are the only job with no innate protection. If they sub NIN they really hinder their dmg output, as any 2H weapon user does. However second to SAM, they probably benefited most from the SAM update.
Edited, Jan 11th 2007 9:25am by AdamPD
Lastly, with respect to jobs and meriting: There are Blackbelt Monks, Ridilled WAR's, and everyone else. The "everyone else" damage output as good as their gear and merits. Job is irrelevant, any 75DD well geared and merits is perefectly capable of outputting enough damage for chain 100+ parties.
Perhaps the only job I feel bad for XP wise are Darknights, not because they can't do damage, but because they are the only job with no innate protection. If they sub NIN they really hinder their dmg output, as any 2H weapon user does. However second to SAM, they probably benefited most from the SAM update.
Edited, Jan 11th 2007 9:25am by AdamPD
I don't think he ever uses a Hagun, the base DMG is too low in his opinion. Sub THF he gets excellent damage in Dynamis, I can attest to that. He seemed unlucky with his DA procs.
I agree that I think DRK/SAM would be the most effcient choice unless they have capped axe skill and a few merits to go /NIN.
I agree that I think DRK/SAM would be the most effcient choice unless they have capped axe skill and a few merits to go /NIN.
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FaffyOfDiabolos wrote:
No, I'm not just going to go "luk the drg won, we r best," I have a point to make.
Parse Summary
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Target: Greater Colibri, and probably about 10 or so Battle Buggards.
Tank WAR75/NIN37 no food
Faffy DRG75/SAM37 meat
SAM SAM75/WAR37 meat
DRG2 DRG73/WAR36 sushi
WHM
BRD
Remember when I said "match us up against the best and then you have a useful parse?" Well. I know a SAM with a stage 4 relic, cursed gear, god gear, a few HQ this and thats, etc. The DRG is also well equipped for a 73 (fourth job).
But Faffy, but Faffy! Colibri are weak to piercing! Very astute observation. At first look this would seem biased, except that almost everywhere you camp in ToAU has piercing weak mobs. Colibri, Puk, Flies, all merit fodder. Therefore, I'd say this is a fair assesment of our merit party potential.
Looking at the other DRG for a moment, you can see he held his own fairly well despite being two levels our junior and thus having no merits. While he didn't approach the SAM's damage, he did surpas the unable to eat WAR/NIN. I could have improved my damage with a little more accuracy, but my pants are due back from upgrade till sunday :/.
Despite this, I still wouldn't try to suggest going toe to toe with a BB MNK or a Ridill WAR and expecting similar results. In otherwords, MNK and WAR do have a few rare tools that make them ridiculously powerful, and will most likely do more damage than you.
P.S.: Wyverns have terrible critical hit rates.
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Target: Greater Colibri, and probably about 10 or so Battle Buggards.
Tank WAR75/NIN37 no food
Faffy DRG75/SAM37 meat
SAM SAM75/WAR37 meat
DRG2 DRG73/WAR36 sushi
WHM
BRD
Remember when I said "match us up against the best and then you have a useful parse?" Well. I know a SAM with a stage 4 relic, cursed gear, god gear, a few HQ this and thats, etc. The DRG is also well equipped for a 73 (fourth job).
But Faffy, but Faffy! Colibri are weak to piercing! Very astute observation. At first look this would seem biased, except that almost everywhere you camp in ToAU has piercing weak mobs. Colibri, Puk, Flies, all merit fodder. Therefore, I'd say this is a fair assesment of our merit party potential.
Looking at the other DRG for a moment, you can see he held his own fairly well despite being two levels our junior and thus having no merits. While he didn't approach the SAM's damage, he did surpas the unable to eat WAR/NIN. I could have improved my damage with a little more accuracy, but my pants are due back from upgrade till sunday :/.
Despite this, I still wouldn't try to suggest going toe to toe with a BB MNK or a Ridill WAR and expecting similar results. In otherwords, MNK and WAR do have a few rare tools that make them ridiculously powerful, and will most likely do more damage than you.
P.S.: Wyverns have terrible critical hit rates.
Thank god you went out of your way to show drgs do more damage on flying mobs therefore making them a good addition to a merit party in the mire..it's a first.
Hey guys, are rangers any good for merit parties too?
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I agree that I think DRK/SAM would be the most effcient choice unless they have capped axe skill and a few merits to go /NIN.
If you ever find a DRK using axes in an exp party, do yourself and your party a favor and kick them. A DRK/NIN using a scythe will do more damage, anyway, merits in axe or not.
Great parse, by the way. I'm still waiting to come across one of the DRGs that are awesome at their job to see how we match up, myself.
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my friend came to an exp party in sky as drk/nin with axes and his rampages were well over 2.5k dmg with bard, and using his JAs. =p
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my friend came to an exp party in sky as drk/nin with axes and his rampages were well over 2.5k dmg with bard, and using his JAs. =p
2500 Rampage from a DRK will happen once or twice every 5 minute, his average will be a good bit lower than that. If a DRK has the gear to pump up Rampage to 2500 when fully buffed, he can do the same thing with Guillotine.
DRK with dual axes can work decently, if he has really good gear and axe merited from another job. If DRK is his only job he has more to gain from meriting Scythe and GS though. Axe or sword for DRK also works best on really weak mobs, like in Caedarva or main Deco camp.
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I don't think he ever uses a Hagun, the base DMG is too low in his opinion. Sub THF he gets excellent damage in Dynamis, I can attest to that. He seemed unlucky with his DA procs.
I'm pretty curious about this choice, to me it seems like Hagun should pull ahead even with it's crappy DPS since the difference in WS damage is very significant. SAM weaponskills are pretty weak at 100TP, even if you use a Totsukanotsurugi. What makes Amanomurakumo so powerful is that not only does it have strong DPS, but Tachi: Kaiten deals great damage at 100TP (and the random 3*damage).
Then again, if I had a stage 4 relic I'd probably use it anyway just for bragging rights. ^^
Props on a good parse either way. I can't wait to get my DRG up to 75 so I can see how it performs compared to my WAR and RNG. I just wish that SE would give us more weapon merits, mine are all used up. >.<
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he can do the same thing with Guillotine.
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my friend came to an exp party in sky as drk/nin with axes and his rampages were well over 2.5k dmg with bard, and using his JAs. =p
You'd only find people saying **** as dumb as this on Allakhazam.
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Was he fighting Qutrubs? 'Cause there's no way in hell your average rampage is doing 2500 unless you fight those mobs, which are like exp boreal hounds.
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lol touched a nerve. Sorry you feel that way, but I didn't believe it either until he showed me. Oh well.
You're quite obviously ************* post a SS if you want people to believe you.
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Seriously dude, unless he was saving up 300% TP and using all his 5min JA's on every rampage, his average isn't going above 2500. Even with that it probably won't average over 2k on most mobs.
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2500 average rampage on decos...LOL. The most pimped Warriors don't even average 1300, and any DRK who xp's /NIN with an Axe will tell you their rampages generally average about 100-150 less than the Warriors in their party. 2500 average is a total lie.
Edited, Jan 16th 2007 9:33am by AdamPD
Edited, Jan 16th 2007 9:33am by AdamPD
Only place where you can average 2500 damage on WS is on the Caedarva Mire.
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Parse #2 Summary
Me again, DRG/SAM Sis Kebabi
DRG2 is 74 now, still /WAR Sole Sushi
COR/NIN Squid Sushi, Warrior's Roll Rouge's Roll
WHM/BLM
BRD/WHM Minuet Madrigal
The tank this time was a WAR75/NIN37 using Maneater/Ridill, wearing just about everything a WAR could want minus adaberk, and using Meat Jerky (I think spamming food was a good way of holding hate >_>). He was killing me on the Buggards, and we did more of those this time as we took the lower camp, but I was more fearless this time, ended up using more food as a result, but I think that produced a more meaningfull parse result.
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DRG2 is 74 now, still /WAR Sole Sushi
COR/NIN Squid Sushi, Warrior's Roll Rouge's Roll
WHM/BLM
BRD/WHM Minuet Madrigal
The tank this time was a WAR75/NIN37 using Maneater/Ridill, wearing just about everything a WAR could want minus adaberk, and using Meat Jerky (I think spamming food was a good way of holding hate >_>). He was killing me on the Buggards, and we did more of those this time as we took the lower camp, but I was more fearless this time, ended up using more food as a result, but I think that produced a more meaningfull parse result.
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Ridill WAR have dependency on sushi due to their lower sword rating, so if you take that away, it will reflect on their parse.
The best place to do an "even" parse is the Mamool camp right before the colibri or Zhayolm since the mob is pretty consistent in level and type.
Looks like a pretty short party too >_> from the overall damage dealt, seem like it's about an hour worth of parse.
The best place to do an "even" parse is the Mamool camp right before the colibri or Zhayolm since the mob is pretty consistent in level and type.
Looks like a pretty short party too >_> from the overall damage dealt, seem like it's about an hour worth of parse.
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93 battles, however long that took.
Also appears I didn't turn on the filter for ranged attacks... sorry COR! (Though that wasn't really the point).
How bad is a WAR's sword skill anyway?
Also appears I didn't turn on the filter for ranged attacks... sorry COR! (Though that wasn't really the point).
How bad is a WAR's sword skill anyway?
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about 25 or so ACC/ATK downgrade compared to Axe.
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