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#53 Dec 26 2007 at 8:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Weapon: Mezraq
Grip: Pole Strap
Ammo: Olibanum Satchet
Head: Walahara Turban (/sam) Optical Hat (/war)
Neck: Love Torque
Earring 1: Spike Earing (Lending Assault to a friend)
Earring 2: Brutal Earring
Body: Pahluwan Khazagand
Hands: Tarasque Mitts +1
Ring 1: Woodsman Ring
Ring 2: Rajas Ring
Back Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Swordbelt +1
Legs: Pahluwan Seraweels
Feet: Amir Boots

Jump: Wyvern Helm, Barone Cosciales, Drachen Greaves
Penta Thrust: Wyvern Helm, Hecatomb Mittens, Warwolf Belt (Honestly, I get 2 different answers from everyone I ask if I should use my dex + str gear, or my attack gear >_<)

Wheeling Thrust
Weapon: Mezraq
Grip: Pole Strap
Ammo: Olibanum Satchet
Head: Wyvern Helm
Neck: Flame Gorget
Earring 1: Fowling Earing
Earring 2: Brutal Earring
Body: Narashima's Vest
Hands: Pallas's Bracelets
Ring 1: Flame Ring
Ring 2: Rajas Ring
Back Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Pahluwan Seraweels
Feet: Rutters Sabatons

Impulse Drive is the same as my Wheeling Thrust gear but Spike Necklace instead of Flame Gorget.


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If anyone in here is familiar with Poker or Chess Jargon.. I feel like I'm being second leveled here...


Being second leveled is someone thinking one step or level ahead of you.


Edited, Dec 28th 2007 12:00am by ChaosRook
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#57 Dec 28 2007 at 10:52 AM Rating: Default
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Hey guys, I'm a 75DRG and I've been having some difficulties with my gear and I was hoping you could help me out.

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Weapon: Gungnir
Grip: Pole Strap
Helm: Ace's Helm
Neck: Love Torque
Ear1: Diabolos's Earring
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Ares
Hands: Dusk Gloves+1
Rings: Mars's Ring and Divisor
Back: Charger's Mantle
Belt: Ninurta's Sash
Legs: Homam
Feet: Dusk Ledelsens +1

Penta setup:

Helm: Hecatomb Cap+1
Neck: Shadow Gorget
Ear1: Bushinomimi
Ear2: Brutal Earring
Body: Ares or Hecatomb+1
Hands: Hecatomb Mittens +1
Rings: Mars's Ring and Rajas
Back: Cerebrus Mantle+1
Waist: Wyrm Belt
Legs: Ares
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings +1

Is this setup any good? I know I'm missing some things and that it's not THAT good, but any suggestions you can give would be great.


Talk about a kick to the balls, awesome setup.

Rate me and good advice is always welcome.

Weapons/Grip (24/7)
Mezraq/Pole Strap

Haste Set
Ammo: Tiphia Sting
Head: Walahara Turban
Neck: Chivalrous Chain
Earring 1: Assault Earing
Earring 2: Brutal Earring
Body: Assault Jerkin
Hands: Dusk Gloves
Ring 1: Ulthalam's Ring
Ring 2: Rajas Ring
Back Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Swift Belt
Legs: Barbarossa's Zerehs
Feet: Dusk Ledelsens

ACC Set
Ammo: Tiphia Sting
Head: Pahluwan Qalansuwa
Neck: Chivalrous Chain
Earring 1: Assault Earing
Earring 2: Brutal Earring
Body: Assault Jerkin
Hands: Wyrm Finger Gauntlets
Ring 1: Ulthalam's Ring
Ring 2: Rajas Ring
Back Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Wyrm Belt
Legs: Drachen Brais +1
Feet: Amir Boots

Penta Thrust Set
Ammo: Tiphia Sting
Head: Wyvern Helm
Neck: Shadow Gorget
Earring 1: Fowling Earring
Earring 2: Brutal Earring
Body: Assault Jerkin
Hands: Hecatomb Mittens
Ring 1: Flame Ring
Ring 2: Rajas Ring
Back Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Barone Cosciales
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings

Wheeling Thrust Set
Ammo: Balm Sachet
Head: Wyvern Helm
Neck: Light Gorget
Earring 1: Triumph Earring
Earring 2: Fowling Earring
Body: Narasimha's vest
Hands: Alkyoneus's bracelets
Ring 1: Flame Ring
Ring 2: Rajas Ring
Back Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Warwolf Belt
Legs: Barbarossa's Zerehs
Feet: Hecatomb Leggings

Jump and High Jump Set
ACC Set w/ Body: Barone Corazza + Legs: Barone Cosciales

Future gear plans if I find an LS doing all endgame events or one of you fine outstanding DRG's adopt me will include the following:

Weapon: Love Halberd/Valkyrie's Fork/Gungnir - Let me dream please
Head: Askar Zucchetto vs Ace's Helm/Hecatomb Cap/Ares's Mask
Neck: Love Torque
Earring: Fenrir's Earring
Body: Askar Korazin/Homam Corazza/Hecatomb Hareness vs Ares's Cuirass for wsing
Hands: Homam Manopolas(selling dusk)/Ares's Gauntlets
Back: Forager's Mantle then Cerebrus Mantle +1 - Still dreaming
Ring: Mars's Ring - It's turning into a wet dream
Waist: Ninurta's Sash - It's wet dream, lol
Legs: Hecatomb Subligar vs Ares's Flanchard/Homam Cosciales
Feet: Homam Gambieras(selling dusk)/Ares's Sollerets

Also PM on how to increase the number of macro lines.

Edited, Dec 28th 2007 12:59pm by blackgodzilla
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#61 Jan 01 2008 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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Questions, comments, suggestions.

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WS(penta)

things to note: 8/8 polearm, 4/4 crit, 2/5 STR.

items readily available: Pallas' Brc., Rutters, Wyrm Armet, Flame Ring, Warwolf/Life Belts.

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I feel I have too much penta acc =\



edit: just went 62-75 in a week; haven't had much time to test.

Edited, Jan 1st 2008 9:58pm by AelliusTDS
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#63 Jan 01 2008 at 11:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Questions, comments, suggestions.

TP

WS(penta)

things to note: 8/8 polearm, 4/4 crit, 2/5 STR.

items readily available: Pallas' Brc., Rutters, Wyrm Armet, Flame Ring, Warwolf/Life Belts.

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I feel I have too much penta acc =\


2 primary considerations for you:

1) from which slot should i drop ACC?

2) how will DEX on my gear affect base dmg?

sooo...

(1)

hands: SFG->pallas, drop ~4ACC, 5DEX, ~5ATT, gain 9STR

head: ohat->wyrm, drop 10ACC, gain 4STR and stronger breath attacks

waist: potent->warwolf, drop ~4ACC, gain 2STR, 5DEX, 3 enmity

feet: amir->rutter, drop 6ACC, gain 3STR

ring: jaeger->flame, drop 4ACC, gain 5STR

drop the least, gain the most, that's your goal.

(2)

as you may or may not know, physical dmg = base dmg * pDIF. for WSs, base dmg = (weapon dmg + fSTR + WSC)*fTP.

WSC is the "STR and DEX mods" part. you can calculate your WSC in advance:

WSC = floor( floor((.2 * STR) + (.2 * DEX)) * .83 )

example:
floor(floor((.2*82)+(.2*72))*.83) =
floor(floor(16.4 + 14.4)*.83) =
floor(floor(30.8)*.83) =
floor(30*.83) =
floor(24.9) =
24

the value of warwolf and pallas is influenced by how their DEX gain/loss affects base dmg. plug in the numbers for your own stats to see how big an impact their DEX will have (of course, if you have the ACC to wear both, they'll negate each other).

Edited, Jan 2nd 2008 2:20am by milich
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#64 Jan 02 2008 at 3:38 AM Rating: Good
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And aim for the combination that gives the highest WSC? (if I understood that properly.)

Seems as if Pallas+Warwolf give the largest bonus to WSC, at the penalty of 8 accuracy; I'll have to give it a try. Thanks so much for the advice and insight into WSC, really makes it easy to tell what to use and what not to:D
#65 Mar 30 2008 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I haven't taken the time to update my profile lately, so I will just write out my gear since this is the official thread lol.

Weapon: Thalassocrat
Grip: Mythril+1
Ammo: Bibiki Seashell (it's cheaper right now for me)
Head: W.Turban (Upgrading to Optical Hat as soon as I kill Hakutaku and macro in Wyrm Armet for WS)
Neck: Chiv. Chain
Earrings: Assault+Fowling
Body: Assault Jerkin (Barone macroed in for Jumps)
Hands: SFG (Pallas's macroed in for Wheeling and Skewer)
Rings: Woodsmanx2 (Flamex2 for WS)
Back: Amemet+1
Waist: Potent Belt
Legs: Barone Pants
Feet: Rutter Sabatons (Upgrading to Amir Boots when I get 9k more Assault Points)

For soloing, I wear Wyrm full time (macroing in Drachen for HB spells) and I wear Barone body full time just because it looks better (losing 5 att isnt a bother to me when I'm soloing).

Edit: I really need to looks at dates before posting in a thread....

Edited, Mar 30th 2008 2:43pm by HugeTiny
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Weapon: Thalassocrat
Grip: Mythril+1
Ammo: Bibiki Seashell (it's cheaper right now for me)
Head: W.Turban (Upgrading to Optical Hat as soon as I kill Hakutaku and macro in Wyrm Armet for WS)
Neck: Chiv. Chain
Earrings: Assault+Fowling
Body: Assault Jerkin (Barone macroed in for Jumps)
Hands: SFG (Pallas's macroed in for Wheeling and Skewer)
Rings: Woodsmanx2 (Flamex2 for WS)
Back: Amemet+1
Waist: Potent Belt
Legs: Barone Pants
Feet: Rutter Sabatons (Upgrading to Amir Boots when I get 9k more Assault Points)


all good for pre-CoP completion, though rajas, brutal, and homam would be nice. if you can find people to do ashu taliff with, barbarossa pants + dusk gloves/feet and turban for TP would be nice. dusk trousers would be nice if you neither go that route nor work on CoP.

edit: pick up a pole strap. it's superior to mythril+1, and they're dirt cheap on phoenix now. i held out and used mythril+1 for a long time myself, but pole strap is too cheap and good to pass up nowadays.

Edited, Mar 30th 2008 4:02pm by milich
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Oh, okay. +2% double attack didn't seem that worth it to me, but if you think it would be best, will try to upgrade to it next time I log in.

Also, yea, this is the gear set up I'm trying to make before entering in on real endgame stuff. I'm only on CoP 2-3 (my group keeps failing- only 4 of us usually), so I'm still out of reach for a swift belt. I also keep failing on the first quest of the Ashu Talif series, but I already promised to let the first pair of those pants to go to a THF friend of mine. I don't have much plans as far as endgame gear goes as the linkshell I am currently with has a fair number of people who need the same gear as me as well as have attending more events than I have. I don't really see a decent haste build in my future at the moment, so I am working toward an accuracy build over haste when I don't think its possible for me to get enough to justify the build.

I could probably get alot more acc in my gear from Pahluwan, but I really like my current build and don't really have an acc problem on most mobs I fight. I suppose upgrading to pahluwan legs would be wise and just macro in barone for jumps and WS, but I think they come from the same staging point as Amir boots, and right now, those are my current priority. Once I get the Optical Hat and Amir boots (and pick up the pole strap), I will have +69 acc from traits and gear, I believe. I've read that Accuracy Bonus II gives ~+22 acc, but it could be wrong.

Edit: On dusk gear: Let me put it this way, it took me 9 days to farm 50k gil...9 DAYS! I still can't believe I could afford to buy my Thalassocrat (I got really lucky on a lot in Dynamis). Dusk gear is ridiculously out of reach for me. So for now, I'm concentrating on whats basic, cheap, and still really useful overall. I plan to get the swift belt and those Ashu Talif pants eventually, but for now, I need good stuff to hold me over until I have those. I don't see a reason to hold out on upgrading certain pieces waiting to maybe get a few pieces of haste gear in a couple of months...

Edited, Mar 30th 2008 4:06pm by HugeTiny
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#68 Mar 30 2008 at 12:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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all good for pre-CoP completion, though rajas, brutal, and homam would be nice. if you can find people to do ashu taliff with, barbarossa pants + dusk gloves/feet and turban for TP would be nice. dusk trousers would be nice if you neither go that route nor work on CoP.

edit: pick up a pole strap. it's superior to mythril+1, and they're dirt cheap on phoenix now. i held out and used mythril+1 for a long time myself, but pole strap is too cheap and good to pass up nowadays.

Edited, Mar 30th 2008 4:02pm by milich


To piggyback, I'd also suggest at least getting a Smart Grenade if you can't afford a Tiphia Sting. If you need gil, sell your potent belt and buy a life belt. The DoT output from both will be virtually the same, with a slight edge to Life belt in most situations. You can also sell your SFG for NQ Tarasque Mitts.. a 2 Atk loss isn't going to kill you, especially if you can turn the profit into something greater than 2 Atk.

Do not wear a Walahra Turban and Rutter Sabatons at the same time. I'd suggest wearing a Wyvern Helm until you earn your Optical hat. Even when you upgrade to Amir Boots, I wouldn't suggest using Walahra Turban until you get a Swift belt. Be sure you keep an eye on your total accuracy if you start adding in haste. You need a total of 387 accuracy to reach 85% accuracy on the highest level Greater Colibri. A 75 Hume Dragoon with 8 Polearm merits would need 35 accuracy in gear to hit that level. The same Dragoon with no polearm merits would need 49 accuracy in equipment.

Outside those few suggestions, your gear isn't bad. The upgrades we are suggesting are relatively minor when it comes to upgrading your DoT.

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Oh, okay. +2% double attack didn't seem that worth it to me, but if you think it would be best, will try to upgrade to it next time I log in.


As a 75 Drg/sam without Sea, that 2% from the Pole Strap will likely be your only source of Double Attack. That means you will get a 2% boost to your DoT. The 2 acc from your Mythril Grip +1 should give you a maximum DoT boost of 1.1% (this decreases towards 1% the closer you get to capped accuracy). The 2 str at a maximum will upgrade your DoT by 1%. That maximum assumes that you:

A) Increase your fSTR by 1 (2 strength has a 50% chance of doing nothing)
B) Have such a ridiculously low strength that your fSTR prior to adding the 2 Str was 0.

A more realistic DoT increase from the 2 str (again assuming you raised fSTR by 1) would be ~.9%. So combined, the two salient features of the Mythril Grip +1 will just barely, sometimes, match the output of a Pole Strap.

P.S. Even as a Drg/War with a Brutal Earring (total DA = 15%), a Pole Strap will likely outperform a Mythril Grip +1.

Edited, Mar 30th 2008 4:17pm by ChaosRook
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Do not wear a Walahra Turban and Rutter Sabatons at the same time. I'd suggest wearing a Wyvern Helm until you earn your Optical hat. Even when you upgrade to Amir Boots, I wouldn't suggest using Walahra Turban until you get a Swift belt.
Edited, Mar 30th 2008 4:02pm by ChaosRook


The only time I wear the Turban+Rutters at the same time is during Dynamis with my linkshell. Mostly, I was told to wear that set up anytime I would arrive because "any haste is better than no haste" according to the leaders. I was actually wearing wyvern helm full time before that point (later wearing my wyrm armet full time (just one less str overall)). It's just easier to deal with the entire group gearing this way...(I have 3 of my Relic so far, so I can't really complain considering one of those pieces is the armet...)

That's why I can't wait to get Optical Hat because "It's not as good, but acceptable." -.-


Edit: I prefer the SFG over the tarasque mitts mostly due to their level. I've been involved in a few lvl 50-60 assaults recently, and they are just plain nice to have in case of situations like that. Plus, they look neato.

Edit2: Pole strap it is then!! ^^ (I need to lurk more...)

Edited, Mar 30th 2008 4:18pm by HugeTiny



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To piggyback, I'd also suggest at least getting a Smart Grenade if you can't afford a Tiphia Sting. If you need gil, sell your potent belt and buy a life belt. The DoT output from both will be virtually the same, with a slight edge to Life belt in most situations. You can also sell your SFG for NQ Tarasque Mitts.. a 2 Atk loss isn't going to kill you, especially if you can turn the profit into something greater than 2 Atk.


all great advice (remember smart grenade is free). i can see keeping SFG for capped stuff, but the life belt advice is good.

who are the leaders of your dynamis group(:? i'm curious/nosey. they wanted you to wear rutters and w.turban at the same time? shame shame!
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To piggyback, I'd also suggest at least getting a Smart Grenade if you can't afford a Tiphia Sting. If you need gil, sell your potent belt and buy a life belt. The DoT output from both will be virtually the same, with a slight edge to Life belt in most situations. You can also sell your SFG for NQ Tarasque Mitts.. a 2 Atk loss isn't going to kill you, especially if you can turn the profit into something greater than 2 Atk.


all great advice (remember smart grenade is free). i can see keeping SFG for capped stuff, but the life belt advice is good.

who are the leaders of your dynamis group(:? i'm curious/nosey. they wanted you to wear rutters and w.turban at the same time? shame shame!


I will definitely look into getting that Smart Bomb. I didn't even know it existed, so thanks a bunch for pointing it out (and Milich for re-pointing it out).

Also, I don't wish to name my leaders. I'd like to keep them anonymous since they can't really defend themselves here as far as I know. It wasn't all of the leaders, just one or two informed me of my misinformation (sarcastically as is the proper way to communicate to your linkshell mates).
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    | Full Time           | Optional (As Needed) 
         |     25 Acc 
         |     47 Str 
  Approx:|    465 Atk          | 
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Head     |     Wyvern Helm     | Optical Hat 
Body     |     Assault Jerkin  | SH+1 
Hand     |     Alky's Bracelet | Hydra Gloves 
Legs     |     Askar Dirs      |  
Feet     |     Barone Gamberias| Amir Boots 
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Ear1     |     Bushinomimi     | Assault Earring   
Ear2     |     Fowling Erring  | 
Neck     |     Chiv Chain      | 
Waist    |     Warwolf         | Potent Belt 
Back     |     Forager's Mantel| 
Ring1    |     Flame Ring      | 
Ring2    |     Rajah's Ring    | 
Range    |     Bibiki Seashell |  
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W. Main  |Mezraq    |                    
W. Sub   |Axe Grip             | Mythril Grip +1                   

to add acc stuff

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         | Full Time 
         |     25 Acc 
         |     47 Str 
  Approx:|    465 Atk 
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Head     |     Wyvern Helm     | 
Body     |     Assault Jerkin  | 
Hand     |     Alky's Bracelet | 
Legs     |     Askar Dirs      | 
Feet     |     Barone Gamberias| 
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Ear1     |     Bushinomimi     |    
Ear2     |     Fowling Erring  | 
Neck     |     Chiv Chain      | 
Waist    |     Warwolf         | 
Back     |     Forager's Mantel| 
Ring1    |     Flame Ring      | 
Ring2    |     Rajah's Ring    | 
Range    |     Bibiki Seashell |  
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W. Main  |Mezraq               |                    
W. Sub   |Axe Grip             |                    



Just to clarify.. this is your TP gear? Couple suggestions:

Head: Wyvern Helm is a good "placeholder" piece, but be working to replace it with Optical hat, or Pahluwan Qalansuwa. Walahra Turban will be a good replacement too once you get a Swift belt.

Hands: Do not TP in Alky's. The -6 dex is decreasing your accuracy by ~5, which amounts to a loss of almost 2.5% to DoT. The 11 Str will increase your fSTR by a maximum of 3, which will be a gain of around 2.9%. That's a net gain of .4%, hardly worth it. Tarasque Mitts are a fine alternative (and cheap). Drachen Finger Gauntlets +1 are also a decent choice.

Feet: I'd work towards getting Amir Boots. Acc +6 is greater than Str +2 by a long shot.

Ear1: Bushinomimi is a fine Wheeling Thrust macro piece, but I wouldn't TP in it. Grab an Assault earring, you'll get much better returns.

Waist: Warwolf is a WS only piece. TP in a Life belt. +10 Acc > 5 Str ~4atk 5 dex ~4 acc. I did the math a while ago back when Str = Atk and Dex = Acc, and Warwolf still fell behind Life belt for TP.

Ring1: Don't TP In Str Rings! Now that I've said that, let me repeat it: Don't TP In Str Rings! That Flame ring needs to be replaced by either a Woodsman or Sniper (or any of the +1 alternatives). Ulthalam's Ring is also a good alternative. Rajas is fine though, it's not really considered a Str ring since it does offer 5 dex as well.

Ammo: As I told a previous poster, if you can't afford a Tiphia Sting, get a Smart Grenade.

Weapon: No real reason to keep your Mezraq when you can sell it and get a Thalassocrat for pretty much the same price. It's not a huge upgrade, but it is an upgrade.

Grip: Axe Grip = {No Thanks!}. Get a Pole Strap. It's definitely worth it.



Overall you are prioritizing Str way too much. You need to sac some of that str and replace it with accuracy. Against Greater Colibri, with 8 Polearm merits, you need 35 accuracy in equipment to hit 85% accuracy against them. Any less and you are treading dangerously close to sushi country. You don't want to go to Sushi country. I've been there; the weather's horrible and the people are mean.

Edited, Mar 31st 2008 10:36am by ChaosRook
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GLawas wrote:
lol, with the exception of the Granade, I have every piece of gear you mentioned.


Then why the **** aren't you using it?
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#76GLawas, Posted: Mar 31 2008 at 8:08 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Oh I use it, but only when needed.
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