Relic? Mythic? Empyeran?Follow

Which Polearm is greater out of those 3?

Of the 3, Ryunohige for sure. Aftermath duration buff from 80+ and the 15% damage bonus to Drakesbane on the level 90 version made it even more powerful than it already was. I'd say an aggressively played Ryunohige is the best polearm going right now (yes, even over Corsesca +2).

Edited, Jan 1st 2011 2:51pm by Beleren

It is most definately between Empyrean and Mythic. Gugnir WS just BLOWS so it is a big lance with damage proc.

Empyream has a mediocre WS that is good on HNMs and can double light. Good occ does double damage aftermath.
Mythic gets to spam drakes all the time. With careful TP management maintain DA aftermath.

If you are in a high haste situation mythic should win handily. You never have to gimp down your WS from drakes, and any WS you loose occasionally saving to 300tp, you sohuld easily make back with the DA aftermath. Under high haste, you get to spam a LOT of drakes with aftermath up before you have to reapply aftermath. Sure you ahve to save up 300TP sometimes, but you are also getting 50% more TP across the board from DA without ever doing anything but super drakesbane spam. You will come out ahead. DA is better than double damage.

Short fights it wins since you can start with 300 and just ride the wave of DA awesome drakes spam all the way to the bank.

That said, empyream is no slouch. You will often have to sacrifice drakesbanes for the mediocre camlanns to get your aftermath back up. But it doesnt require finicky 300tp aftermaths and still gets double damage aftermath. It is also the easiest to complete of any of the 3. It also gets the double light bonus and the WS is great on HNMs (there just arent really any mobs hard enough now to warrent it, but i feel that will change by 99).

Empyream=HNM king and lower maintenance(no holding TP etc) and easier to get.
Mythic=zerg king and 'optimized' situation king(haste+drakes+careful TP management). Much harder to get.
Gugnir,......double damage proc on all the time. Thats about it. Still hard to get.

Honestly for 'general' play both Emp/Mythic will get the job done. They excel in different situations, but both are solid. Considering how much easier empyream is to get than mythic, thats the most likely candidate for most. Alex is horrendously expensive now since no one does salvage anymore.

I am a little unimpressed by all 3 honestly compared to other weapons. Thus why I am doing the Empyream dagger instead.

My 2c.

Well the value of camlann's is entirely dependant on the direction the game goes at 99. If its abyssea god status players, sure it is kinda lame and pales next to drakes on anything. If we leave the playground and go back to the 'real' world camlanns will be REALLY handy. Cant do anything but meaningless speculation on that right now.

I also forgot to mention the reason I am unimpressed by the empyream polearm is because i have a occ atks twice corseca+2. The epeen damage isnt as high since it has lower base damage, but i still get ~40% DA and right now 94 base damage with no aftermath BS TP issues or gimping down from drakes to use Cam for aftermath. Its weaker, but has a 'DA aftermath' on all the time conceptually. The upgradde from this to empyream is not that much and even a downgrade in some situations. I didnt mean that the dagger was some OMGBBQ blows polearm outta the water. Its just that i have a REALLY badass lance as it is. I dont have anything near that badass for thf so empyream is a huge RELATIVE step up for me compared to lance.

Should have clarified that.

haha how times have changed. The updates have been very kind to ryunohige. Its rather amusing to see me being 'unimpressed' with ryu just a year ago. I have since finished that empy dagger and started a Ryunohige. Should finish it in about 2 weeks xD

The updates have made Ryu a friggin monster. The aftermath multi attack effect now lasts for THREE minutes. It is no longer ~50% DA at 300TP, but 40% DA and 20% triple. Also Drakesbane recieves a 15% damage boost with the lv 90 version.

So now you have an aftermath that lasts a looooong time (game wise anway), now gives the equivalent of 80% more attacks (40% DA, 20% TA) that ALSO procs on WS, not just TP unlike the double damage procs on gugnir or the double damage aftermath on rhongo, and has the most powerful drakes possible (15% drakes boost). This thing is redonculous now.

Cant wait to finish it ^_^

I wholeheartedly endorse that choice. A while back i made the same decision. A relic/Mythic was way outta my reach, so I completed the OAT lance and still use it to this day. It is easily the strongest non-relic/empy/mythic lance in the game and who doesnt like to spit out stupid amounts of WS :P

The low base damage but high WS frequency worked out for drakes because the high str mods made weapon damage a smaller part of your total WS damage. Stardiver takes that to a new level with 100% str mod. With 'perfect' gear anyway, stardiver should beat drakes for the low damage OAT lance since the huge mods make stardiver less impacted by the OAT low damage compared to drakes. That was a nice little gift to us.

I just hate that ill be finishing mythic probably within days of getting 5/5 stardiver :S I wont get to use it in all its glory on the OAT lance and be drakes4lyfe with Ryu :P

But, theres always dat swaps! :]