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#1 Sep 23 2004 at 4:19 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm wondering if it's possible to solo like a bst as a smn. I'm guessing the answer is probably "no", but I really have no idea. Any smn want to chime in?

Edited, Thu Sep 23 05:21:41 2004 by theomakos
#2 Sep 23 2004 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
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It is easily posible to take on decent chalenge mobs, at least at lvl 40. However, you will be cutting it close. The mp drain will take you about all the way down.

As such its really not feasible to solo, but it is possible, only very slow.

However, I have seen info about an item called ifrits mitts, and if they are like carbuncles mitts... well soloing would certainly work then.
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#3 Sep 23 2004 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Inless you are a Taru, have maxed smn skill and spend millions for the best of everything, then no, you won't be soloing anything past 30 really. Smn's don't regain the power to solo stuff till after 70.
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#4 Sep 23 2004 at 9:43 AM Rating: Decent
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^ SMN skill doesnt do a damn thing.

Get your Carby mitts. Level cooking till you can make Melon Juice. Solo away.
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#5 Sep 23 2004 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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I solo about as much as I party and i am a 55 smn. Carbuncle's mitt's and a light staff are a must. You will often find me in Garlaige Citadel killing bombs well waiting for a party. Just remember 1 Small Meteo = Bomb go boom and +250 exp, and yes I often make a chain 3 before I need to rest.

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#6 Sep 23 2004 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Summoners are pretty well designed to party. Abilities like Earhten Ward, Spring Water, Whispering Wind, Rolling Thunder, Aerial Armor, etc. that can enhance a whole party cost way too much MP to be used to solo, especially considering that WHM, RDM and BLM get many similar abilities that are often stronger, longer lasting and cost far less MP.
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#7 Sep 23 2004 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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At 51 when a light staff and carbuncle mitts means free-carbuncle, then smn can solo ok, but acs dont do a lot of damage. On an even match, expect to burn through a dozen carbuncles and to take close to 1/2 hour. Not very good xp. most smns solo by finding a bomb thats not too it and sending carbs till it blows up and leaves you 200+xp
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#8 Sep 23 2004 at 3:08 PM Rating: Default
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you people are pathetic that don't keep ur smn skill maxed....don't be lazy...its one skill opposed to 4 skills whm and blms have
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Spikecee wrote:
you people are pathetic that don't keep ur smn skill maxed....don't be lazy...its one skill opposed to 4 skills whm and blms have


Your not a SMN and have every tried to raise it have you? Smiley: oyvey

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#10 Sep 23 2004 at 4:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I am a taru 59SMN/29WHM, I had heard b4 that it was possible for a summoner to solo bombs for ok xp, at my lvl where do you suggest that i go to try to solo so i can rake in that max 250 xp ^^. Thanks you in advance. (doh, I hit tab after thank you I play this game to much *sigh*)

Oh and by the way i do have Carby mitts and a light staff.

Edited, Thu Sep 23 17:19:33 2004 by ThinkEcko
#11 Sep 23 2004 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
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you people are pathetic that don't keep ur smn skill maxed....don't be lazy...its one skill opposed to 4 skills whm and blms have


Yeah, but partying gives your skills a regular workout. As a BLM I capped my skill 2/3 into every level without even trying.

Keeping your SMN skill capped can take HOURS per level, and incidentally seems to level faster when you're a couple of levels behind. Not only that, but many high level SMN can't even agree on what it really helps. We all assume it helps SOMETHING, but there have been like 10 different theories, and for any one of them, loads of people will disagree. Does it help damage? Maybe. Does it help Avatar durability? It might. Does it help blood pact effectiveness? Who knows?

So, unlike Elemental Skill of Enfeebling Skill, which can have a noticable difference from level to level, the usefulness of SMN magic skill is unclear - and since it's unclear, I really can think of better things to do with a whole saturday than stand outside jeuno emptying out my mp over and over and over until my brain turns to oatmeal.
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#12 Sep 23 2004 at 7:12 PM Rating: Decent
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As far as I know, my summon skill just maked the area of enhancing pacts bigger. Other than that, I have no clue.
#13 Sep 24 2004 at 2:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I am not sure if solo can get "chain". I party in regular pt mostly until lv65. after lv65 (all with fenrir)I managed a perm pt with 5 smn + brd and it workes great till lv75. Can Chain 8 if enough mobs (lv70 blood pack)

If you can manage to join a SMN LS (mostly will be formed by JPN) will be easy to make smn pt.

I guess SMN pt with BSTs will also be fun too.
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Spikecee wrote:you people are pathetic that don't keep ur smn skill maxed....don't be lazy...its one skill opposed to 4 skills whm and blms have



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Your not a SMN and have every tried to raise it have you?


I thought his statment alone made that pretty clear Greenforce.
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#15 Sep 24 2004 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Nice Sixtail, =P, I've almost capped my skill just from doing avatar battles over and over again ;_;
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I'm just amused at him ranting at people about a skill to a job he doesn't even play. Well that and annoyed.

Keep it up Shiny. As you go up in levels, you'll find a new type of fresh hell trying to keep it capped. But at least you know what your in for.
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#17 Sep 24 2004 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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aye i agree ma brains turned into gruel of oatmeals while lvling it for hrs and hrs and hrs ands on and on....0.o i become regulat fixture outside windy keeping ma skill capped for every lvl

my way to combat it is find me a nice nail polish and pepsi and popcorn and go at it ^^
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If I sub Black Mage for Choke and the occasional Magic Burst, I find that I can solo EP Crawlers in the nest, easily killing 3 before I need to rest. I can take DC Lizards and EM Soldier Crawlers also, but I can only take on 1 before I need to recharge. But this I only do for crystal and silk farming, why bother doing this for the XP?

Parties are where we really shine, with all of our group Blood Pacts designed to keep the party safe and Skill Chaining capabilities, I always do my leveling with other people.

I mean, doing 550 damage with Shiva's Double Slap against an Even Match Soldier Crawler is alright, but I'd rather do a 400 damage Double Slap against an IT Citadel Beetle that's followed by a 220 damage Distortion the Black Mage can Magic Burst off of. All of this, a bag of chips, and #5 XP Chains. I'd rather party and my Static Samurai would definitely rather I partied.

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#19 Oct 04 2004 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
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you people are pathetic that don't keep ur smn skill maxed....don't be lazy...its one skill opposed to 4 skills whm and blms have


As so many people have said above are you stupid? Maybe do some research before posting. Do you even have a basic undersatnding of how leveling summoning magic even works? Here is a little example... from 2 hours spent leveling my summons the other day (and only sitting there summoning and unsummoning and resting for MP repeatedly outside of Jeuno) I only gained 5 levels... in 2 HOURS! (and that was probably not to bad, I've heard of worse) That's barely enough to cover 1 level. As a whm or blm you just get a party and level your magic skills and while yes I do agree that it is time consuming and even difficult to level the 4 for black mages and white mages, in comparison, it is pathetic to what it takes to level your summoning skill.
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#20 Oct 05 2004 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
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my smn is almost 17, i solod my way all the way here, but at lev 16 i have 302 MP. so ive been killing worms in shakrami, when i hit 18 ill go to korrolka and solo until 20 or duo with my ranger friend, juice helps, but soloing is possible if u got enough mana, i also killed some T's out around the crag. its doable, just be able =P

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#21 Oct 05 2004 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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The higher the lvl, the harder it is to raise summon skill as well. My skill is currently 14 levels behind. It was 30 levels behind, but I spent (I timed it out of sheer annoyance) 46 hours doing cast/release through all 900 mp, then resting to full (with dark staff) to get 16 skill levels. One time it took 6 hours to get a single skill level.

I'm usually hardore anti-bot, but if I find one to level summon skill for me, I will probably use it.
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#22 Oct 05 2004 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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@33 I solo a lot, for fun. I can take out EMs with ease, Ts are a little hairy and are definitely fun to take down when other people are watching. I made ~1k exp after an hour or two, which wasn't bad because I was having fun. Ramuh's Thunderspark is an awesome bloodpact, low MP cost for a nice 150+ damage.
#23 Oct 05 2004 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Well i soloed from levels 24-26 and at lv 36 i could solo ochu in rolanberry, but that was b/c i had carb mitts.....


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#24 Oct 06 2004 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
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you can solo if you're smart.

Over the period of a month I never had enough time to actually join a party and do something worthwhile so what did I do? I went solo.

I went solo from level 32 to 36, it didn't take THAT long but definitely a lot slower than being in a party.

edit: also I just recently started partying in the crawlers nest and I was very impressed with my performance. I was rather skeptical about it since I've heard a lot of bad things about summoners (mostly prepatch though).

i actually kept my avatars out to melee. Started off with ramuh's thunderspark which would do about 180 and CONSTANTLY paralyze the crawler at least 10 times a battle (which is 300-600 damage depending on the tank) then use shiva to mb blizzard II for 140 (on a non burst) to 200+. very nice.

Edited, Wed Oct 6 01:25:50 2004 by Binto
#25 Oct 06 2004 at 7:05 AM Rating: Decent
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I've heard people commenting about the only thing Summoners can solo are Bombs because they blow themselves up, saving you the trouble of taking the time and MP to kill them. Instant easy xp.

But Bombs aren't the only critters that blow themselves up for you. Has anyone tried soloing Goblins using the same strategy? Carby Poison Nails Goblin, Goblin Throws Bomb?
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TunaF wrote:
I've heard people commenting about the only thing Summoners can solo are Bombs because they blow themselves up, saving you the trouble of taking the time and MP to kill them. Instant easy xp.

But Bombs aren't the only critters that blow themselves up for you. Has anyone tried soloing Goblins using the same strategy? Carby Poison Nails Goblin, Goblin Throws Bomb?


Gobby Bombs have a larger AOE, I think. Plus later level gobs can cut though a summon without a lot of trouble. It could be done, but the cost MP wise is not viable. Gobbies also tend to seem to blow themselfs up more when they are really being hammered..something a SMN can't keep up without draining his MP.

The time would be better spent farming.
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