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#1 May 20 2011 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I am having a bit of a hard time with the level 20 avatar fights. Carbuncle keeps getting destroyed before I can get away from the avatar. So I was wondering can I use the Elementals to continue leveling past 20? Just until I get the others unlocked. Or will people even care if I don't have the other avatars before I would get their major party buffs (around mid 40s)?

SMN was the main reason I came back to this game, and it just frustrates me not being able to beat these lvl 20 fights. I have the method down... i just can't get carbuncle to survive. (Shiva being my hardest fight ever....)
#2 May 20 2011 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
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You're better off just using Carby if you don't have the other Avatars. Spirits costs too much MP for the entirely useless AI. Even Light Spirit, the least useless, is just a toy when you can actually sustain it.

I'd recommend getting them before 30s, if you plan to level normally, the first major BP being Aerial Armor at 25. Really, only Fenrir has useful BPs before 25, but you need to beat the higher level fights to get him anyway.

At 30, everyone will start telling you to just hop into Abyssea though. Day or two of keying for a few parties and you'll be done. Underskilled, but level-capped.
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#3 May 23 2011 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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How is it your Carbuncle is dying before you can get far enough away? Are you going in under Lv20? Are you sticking around too long before running away?

I only ever had that problem on one of the avatars, Shiva, because I was afraid of getting hit by Sleepga as I ran past her.

I'd recommend that you keep trying. It's frustrating, but teaches you a lot of the important fundamentals of SMN. The tactics I learned in those Lv20 battles, I continue to use at Lv90. (Not the Astral Flow, but the mechanics for kiting with Carbuncle without being hit.)
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#4 Jun 21 2011 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
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You can assault and get away pretty quickly, kiting back and forth. You can stand a good bit back to assault. Try swapping gear, the added MP and goodies that are normally good for smn aren't so good here. So you can add +hp gear, etc.
#5 Jun 22 2011 at 7:54 AM Rating: Decent
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blindsyde84 wrote:
I am having a bit of a hard time with the level 20 avatar fights. Carbuncle keeps getting destroyed before I can get away from the avatar. So I was wondering can I use the Elementals to continue leveling past 20? Just until I get the others unlocked. Or will people even care if I don't have the other avatars before I would get their major party buffs (around mid 40s)?

SMN was the main reason I came back to this game, and it just frustrates me not being able to beat these lvl 20 fights. I have the method down... i just can't get carbuncle to survive. (Shiva being my hardest fight ever....)



Are you sure your doing the level 20 fight cause carby shouldn't be getting owned lol? You must trade the mini - fork to the crystal not just select and enter.

The strategy is simple get within assault range once assault and run away down back to the entrance when carby dies immediately summon and he will automatically go after the avatar no need to assault. If the avatar gets close to you race pass it to the other side far away and repeat. Keep mp up and should be a easy win just doing carby kite method... Also go on the avatars weak day and never on the strong day thats for sure....


Edited, Jun 22nd 2011 8:56am by kenshynOnShiva
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#6 Jul 31 2011 at 1:34 AM Rating: Good
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blindsyde84 wrote:
I am having a bit of a hard time with the level 20 avatar fights. Carbuncle keeps getting destroyed before I can get away from the avatar. So I was wondering can I use the Elementals to continue leveling past 20? Just until I get the others unlocked. Or will people even care if I don't have the other avatars before I would get their major party buffs (around mid 40s)?

SMN was the main reason I came back to this game, and it just frustrates me not being able to beat these lvl 20 fights. I have the method down... i just can't get carbuncle to survive. (Shiva being my hardest fight ever....)

The trick I used is as follows. Head towards the avatar with Carby out and let her aggro you naturally. Carby will leap to your defence and start attacking her, giving you ample time to distance yourself, enough to resummon but don't overdo it. You want to see Carby's damage so you can time your macros better.

Resummon and Carby will dash off and start wailing on her again. I recommend taking no direct action against the avatar until you've lowered her HP sufficiently, as I've had occasions where I couldn't shake the aggro for a while (and avatars hit hard!).

Once she's at about 50%, pop your Yagudo drink (if you haven't already) and unleash Astral Flow. Do NOT do this if Carby is low on HP and DO ensure you're close to the avatar in case the Blood Pact draws her attention. A few hits will be nothing in the time it takes Carby to steal aggro again with Searing Light.

Once Carby has the attention again, distance yourself because there's a good chance she's prepping her own Astral Flow attack. If you're hit with that, its as good as game over. Resummon Carby and let loose another Searing Light. If she's still alive at that point, she probably doesn't have much HP and one final Searing Light will finish the job.

The 20-cap battles are some of the most enjoyable fights in the game, in my experience, and well worth doing. Once you have a good tecnhique, the rest is all just timing. Some people use Astral Flow right from the start to attempt a 'Zerg' kill on the avatars. That works fine too, but should Astral Flow hit a resist on one of the casts, the avatar will still have a large portion of their HP remaining while you're on the last dregs of your MP.

Edit: Whoops, minor necrobump. Oh well, I think its still useful advice for anyone else attempting the primes. I'll be (re)doing them myself at some point in the near future.

Edited, Jul 31st 2011 3:41am by Glitterhands
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