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Has any actual testing been done to confirm its actual -acc penalty? BLU spells innately usually have +30~35 accuracy.

I only did a few casts on these 2 days. Overall, it's not as bad I thought it'd be. But again, my full STR gear isn't that as accuracy-less as some people think. The worst equip I had probably Heafoc Mitts Warwolf Belt, and Aerion's Gamashes.

I've never played rng or cor high enough to use slugwinder, but I have really felt like a ranger lately, yeah.

I threw on my thunder shamshir just for that spell when I was leveling up.

I tested benethic typhoon as basically 20 less acc than a standard blue spell, but this was only with 200 casts so a fair margin of error (could be as low as -30 acc I would guess). So still above normal melee acc.

Once I cap blue skill, I plan on do a fair amount of testing on Heavy Strike and more BT acc testing as well. Hopefully its not too much lower than BT, but even swaping out Potentcia -> Cuch. mantle, Heafoc -> Alky, Beir+1 -> Piplika belt and maybe ire +1 -> new neck piece (+6str,+6vit....the name escapes me atm). You would be getting 23.5 acc while only giving up 8 STR. Every other slot is more of a 1 to 1 ratio, unless you plan on making acc swords. Perhaps the new +10 acc ammo slot would be a solid choice also.


If someone who knows how to determine statisical significance and ranges on +/-, please show or link to a site so I can figure out how better to do that.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2011 5:48pm by doctorugh

I ran against several other one hits, which I know (from previous testing at lvl 75) have +30 acc over melee. (headbutt, vertical cleave). Also vanity dive came up with same acc and HB and VC.



Edited, Sep 24th 2011 2:43pm by doctorugh

So after a bit of testing, some results. The sample size isnt huge but can certainly get some idea. I would like to know better how to determine margin or error, so if someone could clue me on on that....

Target: Ladybugs (THF), that are either DC or EM and read High evasion when checked. The equipment for melee and tested spells remained the same.

Melee: 1102/2187 (50.39%)

Sudden Lunge: 204/308 (66.23%) +31 acc (expected for most blue spells)

Benethic Typhoon 85/174 (48.85%) -3 acc (likely 0 acc and doesnt recieve +acc that other spells get)

Vanity Dive 160/172 (93.02%) +85acc (I was suprised by this, initally I assumed all spells simply got the +30 bonus but never dropped my melee % low enough on previous tests to determine this. It might actually be more than this.

Heavy Strike: 49/243 (20.16%) -60 (So.....thats 90 acc off a typical blue spell and 145 acc or more from vanity dive. Since I hit the absolute lowest % possible on acc, IT COULD BE WORSE!!!)



Conclusion: Heavy Strike is just a fun spell to smash things you could have otherwise smashed with our previous spells and......SE has a wierd sense of humor.

Although it doesn't change the fact that heavy strike really have some accuracy problems, but testing on varying mob level probably doesn't provide an accurate measurement on how much -acc there is. So unless all your target were EM ladybugs, we probably can't infer something accurate.

While this test doesn't provide a bottom to the - acc, it does show it is likely at least -60. Meaning I was at 20% (the absolute minimum) on even the dc mobs. Also there are enough melee swings to determine an avg acc on the mobs. since there was no gear swap.

One note: anytime the mob did spiral spin (which was rare), I turned and did WOP prior to any melee strikes or casting.

After do some number crunching on possible builds for heavy strike, it can still be very useful as a spamable spell, as it is has the ability to be our most MP efficient spell even with the -acc bonus (going to assume -60 below melee for demonstration purpose but intend to test most specifically in the future for exact amount)

VS L103 mob with 450 def:

Delta Thrust(MP 28)(my current build, w/ 2 STR shamshir+3)
STR 210
VIT 100
Blue attack: 560
cratio:0.8444
Acc: 466 (includes +30 bonus, pre-food)
Avg damage: 563
Efficeincy (damage/mp) : 20.1

Heavy Strike (high acc set,w/ 2 STR shamshir+3)
STR 167
Blue attack:539
cratio:1.798
Acc: 466 (includes -60 penalty, pre-food)
Avg damage: 934
Efficeincy (damage/mp): 29.2

This is contingent of course on the fTP (2.25) and mod (75% STR) being correct (was tested by others).

CA/Efflux QC will still outperform the CA/Efflux HS Acc version. Bumping the acc much higher on this spell would come at significant cost, but perhaps my affinity for seeing high numbers can take a back seat to make this a worthwhile spell.
And of course we can keep a backup macro for max damage in abyssea and older content and still get some good screenshots.



Edited, Sep 27th 2011 3:14pm by doctorugh

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The efficiency # posted above is outside abby as indicated with the low str. It would get much higher inside.

When I did KoTR / Heavy Swing Weapon skill to Light Skillchain, there was no chance to even MB as mobs would die.

When i did take down HNM, no two how no temps i was doing 3-4k H


And I was only walking around in Af3 gear and refresh atmas as I was exping at the time.

So Today I went out and fought the puk to help a friend with Whte wing in abby.

2500 KotR 7k heavy swing 9k Light SC. I didnt get MB off as way to much hate on me. I don't know why light is stronger then the spell.

I still would swap out KotR sword and put regular melee swords back in. But the sword skillchain makes a great combo opener for NMS or events to open with or use ne powerful WS.

I dont have an emp or WoE yet, but no GR or QQ or BT WS could put ut numbers like that.

Thats why I shared the info and was asking for advice what I could use as a spell f i used a revitalizer to double light, but I figured that out.

If your on the test server you can try out the combo yourself.

Wiki doesn't list the SC combo nor does thsi websit so i tried to provide accutaeinformation and all i get is rate dons and people mocking me





Edited, Sep 30th 2011 9:26pm by kimjongil76

Wait a second, blu doesn't have staff skill!

zomg, kotr for 1k followed by a heavy strike skillchain for light is so uber nub, dont even start to say that it isnt. wow, with lvl 85 ctc and BT darkness, even /whm i will get a minimum of like 7k. before the update as 90 blu/thf, using gnarled horn, razed runes, and sangine sythe, a sneak attack ctc > BT darkness sc can get up to 17k. um, 5k ctc, then 6k bt, for 6k darkness. add it up. na, u should use kotr more b/c its pro and keep saying how amazing u are

now with the update /war seems nice because of the double attack and triple attack stack ( even tho i was cheated out of my eponas ring more than a few times... >_<) using /thf is like sex when u actually get that 12-17k darkness skillchain off, but it is really hard to do with out gettting interrupted, especially if u have linkshell mates that are too nub to let u do it consistently, ur damage is prolly gonna be worse than a 95 blu/war, assuming that guy stays alive. but with the new defensive spells, im not worried about that much


Edited, Oct 5th 2011 6:35pm by highlander414

ill translate


oh good sirs, this "knights of the round" weaponskill achieving 1,000 damage preceding a fully buffed heavy strike in completion of a "light" skill chain is quite the laughable concept. why, when out on the icy cliffs of uleguerand range, i myself have achieve true exploits.


there i was, stalking a wandering beast through the snow. as i crept up to the monster from the downwind position, i prepared myself for the upcoming battle. i clutched at my previous battles spoils: a horn pried from the the gnarled corpse of a bugard in misareaux, an etching of runes from the chest of an automaton, and the blood-stained reaper of a truly petrifying demon. as this new beast finally came into range, i unleashed my sneak attack. by utilizing my almace's to deadly chant du cygne, i devastated the enemy for 5,000 of its health. the enemy began to take action against me, but my years of battling strange monsters gave me the insight to follow the assault with a chained typhoon coming from the depths resulting in an additional 6,000 of the monsters health falling. the reaction of the damage compounded itself to awe inspiring proportions compounding another 6,000 damage from the now lifeless corpse of the animal. the battle done. i, its victor.


whilst your stories of of said "knights of the round" are compelling and should be spread among the provinces by wandering poets and minstrels alike, i shall challenge thee to ever endeavor onward to greater heights reached only by the most diligent of adventurers.


whilst the most recent battle strategies of common disciplines have resulted in multiple attacks at a time, nothing can compare to the compounding of excellence forth coming from the chaining of attacks. and this chaining of attacks, with LIMITS THAT EVEN HEAVEN KNOWS NOT OF! this chaining can reach upwards of the 12-17,000 damage area. and this chaining, likened only to the sweet caress of a woman, to the embrace limited only to lovers, this necessary sharing for the creation of all things in this world. this chaining knows no bounds but those placed upon it by wandering comrades, not knowing of the chaining potential. and whilst they fight for honor and show their mettle in the face of such wavering odds, their quickness to cooperatively slay wandering demons often breaks chains into their smaller constituents.


and while your companions may be striking in their own trained discipline, their actions can be counter-productive to the current damage being unleashed by your own chaining. whilst i myself participate in an increasingly cautious battle plan in order to capitalize on the universal weakness amongst all monsters. and said weakness allows for a multitude of surprise encounters providing the necessary leverage to fully destroy everything the monster is, leaving little else than some organs still in whole, possible a various limb or head. however due to your comrades disrupting the synchronized attack, it may possibly be advantageous to simply employ a different tactic to your fight and simply meet the foe head on and battle in a similar fashion to a soldier. this fighting stance can allow for the maximal amount of damage to be put outforth, it is a style deeply rooted in dangerous encounters and can lead to severe damage taken. alas, for myself, this danger worries me not. i posses the deeply guarded secrets of even the foes i fight in order to continue onward. i harness the winds beneath the fearsome flying dragons of the west, i allude the attacks by creating the false images similar to foes so imaginative that even the most traveled bard would be pressed to describe. travel on adventurers and let my stories empower you to reach for further greatness.

you know how hard it was to make that? i laughed so much i think it took like an hour

So wait... blu doesn't have staff skill but heavy swing makes light and then something called CTC chains with benthic typhoon?

This sh*t is bananas.

Seems like this spell was meant for BLU/thf.

Things like auto-crit, but only hit when sneak attack is active makes SE chuckle.

Many years ago, students were taught that each sentence started with a capital letter and then ended with a period. Commas were not a substitute for periods and each sentence would contain its own verb. Basically I just wanted to say "Lighten up, the breakdown of your previous garbled post was funny!". But since I don't have an Almace, I'm an lolblu. Pay me no mind.

Edited, Oct 12th 2011 5:49pm by doctorugh