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#27 Jun 10 2007 at 11:40 PM Rating: Decent
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ok sub bard is not really an option. you can only create two buffs yourself. if you have two cor rolls up when you sing it drops. that's how it worked for me. someone fill me in cause i wish /brd was any good.
#28 Jun 11 2007 at 7:15 AM Rating: Default
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ok sub bard is not really an option. you can only create two buffs yourself. if you have two cor rolls up when you sing it drops. that's how it worked for me. someone fill me in cause i wish /brd was any good.


It's situational. BRD may be our best SJ in manaburns - if you regularly do manaburns on COR I'd highly suggest giving it a try. That extra tick of Refresh will make a difference over time.
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#29 Jun 11 2007 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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ok sub bard is not really an option. you can only create two buffs yourself. if you have two cor rolls up when you sing it drops. that's how it worked for me. someone fill me in cause i wish /brd was any good.

I took COR/BRD to a Dynamis Windy run (about a month and a half ago maybe) and I was able to keep 2 rolls up and one song. It was mostly Evoker's + Warlock's -or- Healer's and Ballad 1 -or- Paeon when most applicable.

I remember somewhere SE said they you will only be able to have two buffs, but that was not the case. You can have three buffs up /brd (2 rolls, 1 song) unless SE stealth changed it back to what they said it was originally supposed to be. /brd is reduced to one song so overwriting rolls was not possible (you would just overwrite the song).

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I wanted to expand on COR/BRD. The OP stated it well, it is situational but should not be overlooked. It is lacking in overall support, but it's definitely the way to go if you just need a Refresh *****.

Think about it for a moment. In an almost average scenario, the addition of Snake Eye gives us a reliable 2MP a tick. Ballad bumps it up to 3MP. Add a SMN and you have 4MP for everyone, 5 for Auto Refresh jobs (SMN, /SMN, PLD).

Best case scenario, you could have 7 MP/tick just from a COR alone! Realistically though, you will more than likely end up with 3-5 on a constant basis. Still not bad if all you need is refresh. Now, add Healer's/Warlocks and that's where it really pulls ahead.

Oh, and COR/BRD in an extended event like Dynamis is extremely boring. You eventually find creative ways to buff. Forget all of this if SE stealthed it.

Edited, Jun 11th 2007 12:01pm by sixgauge
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#30 Jun 11 2007 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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ok sub bard is not really an option. you can only create two buffs yourself. if you have two cor rolls up when you sing it drops. that's how it worked for me. someone fill me in cause i wish /brd was any good.


That was changed in an update a LONG time ago. as the above posters stated, you may have 2 rolls and 1 song. I'm not sure if it's interchangeable as in 2 songs 1 roll, but regardless, it works quite well.

as for /war

I see where you're going with it, and I understand the basis. My only criticism of it is that the instant damage gratification of barrage quite possibly could/would outweigh the longterm benefits of berserk, if you can land the shots. In the mire I could see it work, maybe in colibri camp, but I can see a bit of a struggle occurring.

I'll keep my ear to the groud for /war, but in the meantime sticking with the dreamteam of /rng /nin /whm
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#31 Jun 18 2007 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd also like to mention that for beginning corsairs, /BRD makes a strong case for being the most effective subjob for the 10-20 levels. Neither /RNG or /NIN offer any benefit at that low level. So pretty much your best options are:

/WHM with pies for backup healing (but your usefulness is pretty much limited to Cure I and Poisona)

/WAR to play like a melee and have the the ability to backup voke

/BRD to throw more party buffs up there. Boost attack with Minuet, throw Minne up for situations where some extra defense is appreciated (say, Goblins who will use Bomb Toss), put Paeon on between fights for regen. The best part is that because you don't have too many rolls, you aren't really busy enough to be worrying about a cycle yet so you can just stand in there and melee while you make the party more efficient.
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#32 Jul 02 2007 at 10:31 PM Rating: Decent
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DRK could be a good sub job to have extra stuns
#33 Sep 11 2007 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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2) I think /WAR is mainly an endgame SJ for COR - in exp you want all the Raac you can find to get Slug Shot to land as consistantly as possible. At 75 though, with Raac gushing everywhere, Martial guns, Aqua Gorgets, on and on, you can then afford to look into Raat/STR because if you went pure Raac it'd be complete overkill.


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My only criticism of it is that the instant damage gratification of barrage quite possibly could/would outweigh the longterm benefits of berserk, if you can land the shots.


Now for using hunters roll to mainly boost yourself, that's another story...
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#34 Nov 19 2007 at 7:14 PM Rating: Decent
wooo im cor/rng and loving the dd side of it and raac my favorite choice even though sometimes youll need other sub jobs~
#35 Jan 03 2008 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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COR/WHM - for the bard at heart

COR/NIN - cause they are making you pull

COR/RNG - accuracy bonus, sharpshot, barrage heeelloooo

COR/DNC - cause its **** and new

COR/BRD - because you are a blackmage refresh *****

COR/BLU - a pirate that can throw bombs just looks cool

COR/BLM - to have fun with Quick draw

COR/WAR - because you suck, just kidding. uhhh Beserk warcry attack up w/e
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#36 Feb 11 2008 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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This should be updated with the addition of the DNC job

at 37, even MNK's are being able to solo insane amounts of EXP

So what can a COR do with this? Finally "back-up" YES i said BACK UP ONRY healing is no longer an issue since it doesn't rely on MP

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I am not supporting the idea of a COR main or a back up healer, I myself prefer the subs /RNG and /WAR over /blah nin and /ugh /whm anyday. But trying this once in sky when there was only a RDm and BLM there to heal the spamming pots... well lets just say, i got a lot of good feedback top the job combo, and it is definitely worth mentioning to SOME degree.

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of course the accurracy bonus isnt as high as /RNG, but it does at least provide us with a lvl in the job trait, not bad at all considering NIN requires the use of a second dagger, while DNC does not.

Erase is there, a good "Cure II" is there, which isnt bad for 180-200 HP a dance, especially when wielding a Joyeuse (or a mercurial if your daring... mob dependent, pt arguments, blah blah, blah)

the Drain Samba II is a great thing to always keep up when fighting a mob, the quick and box steps are pretty decent and the gravity flourish is great for saving that mage that happened to get a little trigger happy XD

Of course we still need to touch on all the "situational" mumbo jumbo, but all im saying, that as the creator of this list, it should be important to add it on the list someday, mainly in the ares of "First what is a Corsair?" (edit the "healer part a bit, even it's it's not much of a stretch, there should be some mention of /DNC in there now) and especially "Subjobs!"

This list kicks *** btw tho, I always recommend people whom are in the shell im in lvling COR to this link (when i remember since im usually pre-occupied with work,school, etc... you know... all that stress inducing stuff XD)

anyways, back to afk-land, gotta finish this paper O_o//...

Edited, Feb 11th 2008 5:04pm by KazumeSR
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#37 Mar 01 2008 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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/em sprays rum all over his monitor... They added new jobs? 'the **** did that happen?! o_O;

Updated primarily to add info on /DNC and /SCH. Also cleaned up wording in a lot of sections, and gave a more positive spin on some subjobs like /WAR and /DRG.
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#38 Apr 11 2008 at 9:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Since the expansion, COR/DNC is the best for merit parties. I use joy toy, suppa/brutal earring, pulawan body, and denali head/hands/legs/feet. With a sam in the pty, I use sam roll and have plenty of TP that I can support a rdm as main healer. It's a beautiful thing.
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#39 Apr 12 2008 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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Since the expansion, COR/DNC is the best for merit parties. I use joy toy, suppa/brutal earring, pulawan body, and denali head/hands/legs/feet. With a sam in the pty, I use sam roll and have plenty of TP that I can support a rdm as main healer. It's a beautiful thing.

I'm not arguing the usefulness of COR/DNC in certain situations, but since when does a good RDM need backup healing support in a typical merit party?
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#40 Apr 17 2008 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not arguing the usefulness of COR/DNC in certain situations, but since when does a good RDM need backup healing support in a typical merit party?

In a 20k/hr party, they don't.

In a "typical" party, though, there's some DD who refuses to use Ichi/Seigan, or is crappy at blinking, or the other DD won't balance their hate and end up letting one person get owned, or the BRD/COR won't give me buffs (I'd have to assume this last point is a non-issue for the people reading this thread ;p). And my party gets reminded that my MP pool is not, in fact, infinite.

That said, it's not bad enough that I'd go COR/DNC to parties by default. But there are certainly parties where the RDM could use the help. And most of the time, it's a sign that the DD are bad, not the RDM.
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#41 Jul 08 2008 at 11:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not arguing the usefulness of COR/DNC in certain situations, but since when does a good RDM need backup healing support in a typical merit party?

LS merit party setup: Me as cor/dnc (5/5 denali now, the accuracy bonus helps alot), drk/sam with relic scythe, black belt mnk/nin, well geared pld/nin, brd/nin, and rdm/whm, mass murdering birds at the bottom colibri camp. This parsed at 27k/hour. I healed more as /dnc then the rdm, because me using curing waltz allowed the rdm the mp for a full haste cycle, myself included, and the drk relic scythe cures up the drk rather well.


Edited, Jul 9th 2008 3:53am by SamFiendish
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#42 Jul 15 2008 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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SamFiendish wrote:

LS merit party setup: Me as cor/dnc (5/5 denali now, the accuracy bonus helps alot), drk/sam with relic scythe, black belt mnk/nin, well geared pld/nin, brd/nin, and rdm/whm, mass murdering birds at the bottom colibri camp. This parsed at 27k/hour. I healed more as /dnc then the rdm, because me using curing waltz allowed the rdm the mp for a full haste cycle, myself included, and the drk relic scythe cures up the drk rather well.


Edited, Jul 9th 2008 3:53am by SamFiendish


Not saying you didn't have awesome results, but the real contention point is if you are sure that this rate could not have been achieved by a different sub.

I've parsed at similar rates of xp/hr with a variety of subs when I party with LSmates. /Rng, /War, /Dnc, and even /Nin. The Red or White Mage never seem to need help on maintaining a full haste cycle, curing, and doing other stuff. When I did /Dnc, the mage commented that it certainly made it easier on him. So if lessening the stress on the mage outweighs the potential extra DD from, say, /War, then it may be a better choice for you. I think we have a lot of viable sub choices in Merit, and it depends more on party composition and people's mood that day. ; ) All I'm saying, is it's likely you would have achieved around ~27k/hr anyway in that set up if regardless if you were /War, /Dnc, or /Rng, etc.

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#43 Jul 17 2008 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Also forgot to mention that I was doing Chaos & Corsair rolls in that merit party. Cor roll makes better sense on birds since they die fast in a well set up & geared party. Also I had a good streak on random deals getting the rdm their convert back the few times they actually had to use it (3/5 Loaded Deck).
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#44 Nov 18 2008 at 12:57 AM Rating: Good
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My friend just got cor to 75 and swears by /drg. It's pretty snazzy with his haste gear and joyeuse.
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#45 Aug 14 2010 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
With the new level cap there are some new candies that come from subjobs!
One of them comes from rdm that now is definitely >blm. Since even at 99 MAB2 is the best we can get, the choice comes to healing/buffs vs nukes, and I think the former is way better. The only thing you would regret is Warp, but come on, can't you spend 750 CP/IS for a scroll? XD
I only talked about the sub of my choice, but there are a lot of other good things from other subs that you guys may like to point out :3
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