Update - 2 New RollsFollow

So with the latest update came 2 new roll .DATs. Haven't seen any pics/vids of them, so here you go.

Roll 1 (ROM/246/101)
Roll 2 (ROM/246/102)

The first one looks suspiciously like movement speed+, but maybe that's just me being hopeful. The second one, I have no clue.

May the speculation commence. D:

Please not haste. Please not haste.

So what level do we finally get that "enhanced DD ability" stuff if not now?

EDIT:
OH, THERE IS HOPE! If they are giving us a utility roll like movement speed, maybe they're just giving us utility rolls! Maybe the one with 2 different colors gives 2 different effects! Like Sneak and Invisible! Hell DNC, and SCH have it already. And anyone /SCH and NIN will have it after the update! (if the tonko :san rumor being both sneak and invis is true)

Edited, Jun 12th 2010 12:18am by louispv

Also, is it just me, or does the first part of the first roll look a lot like the 2nd part of the 2nd roll? You have the golden 'quantum leap' lens flare, the giant man-sized bubble, and an orbiting purplish bluish line. They are obviously separate animations, but they have a common theme.

Edit: Nevermind. When watching them animated in altanaview, they don't look so similar after all.


Edited, Jun 12th 2010 3:25am by AniRedMage

They're definitely rolls. Each .DAT contains the card animations, etc. The pics just show the resultant effect; if you want to see them for yourself, add the lines into the AltanaView listings to view the full .DAT.

Aye, the bars showing how much of either we have remaining are those colors, but I was guessing based on the colors used during a "drain" animation. One is absorbed as blue bubbles the other as pinkish (depending on your hardware's color scheme. Lord knows the difficulty I had of finding the "green" MR in Pulling the Plug).
All-in-all just a guess though, I'm likely completely off =P

That is the only version that I know of. Open the altanaview folder, then the lists folder, then effects, and open the corsair file in notepad. Add these 2 lines:

246/101, New roll 1
246/102, new roll 2

then save the file, exit, and open/restart altanaview. The new roll animations should be in the effects tab with the other corsair animations. You may have to cycle through the "Schedule" options at the bottom of the "effects" tab. Sub0 is the one you want.

I would assume saving it in excel wouldn't work, because microsoft office products seem to like formatting data their own way. Try running notepad from the start menu and opening the file from inside notepad. If you don't have notepad, then. . . I don't know, rename corsair.csv to corsair.txt, and double click it to see what program it opens in. Then just rename it back to corsair.csv.

i always read his name like dar-tan-yan. re: rolls, dunno. strange to see people actively wanting it to not be haste... haste is the best buff in the game. the rolls are for buffing, you know.

kind of why i quit(:. the biggest change i saw over the years (besides for the playerbase gradually getting more educated and accumulating more gear) was:

everything got easier.

did ToAU make everything about meriting? no, those of us who had 75s before ToAU already spent much of our ingame time in KRT, lufaise meadows, sky, and lolbibiki bay meriting. did ToAU take the focus off missions and adventure and put it more on item whoring and grinding? no, zilart missions were a stepping stone that we spammed through on the way to item whoring in sky. CoP just happened to have fun missions, and yes, the gamers of yesteryear talked more about lion and story stuff than they do now, but the face of the game looked about the same. it wasn't Final Fantasy RP And Do Quests Online for most of us, it was the same sh*t you do now.

new jobs were introduced, and they all pretty much did the same sh*t the old jobs did. i recently read someone's sig on this site that said something like (okay, i'll go find it)



but this is the opposite of the truth. players, particularly JP players, have been struggling to bring outside-the-box thinking to ffxi since day one, but it just doesn't fly. ffxi works like this: you throw different strategies at the wall, and the vastly more efficient one sticks. you might romanticize the other strategies/styles, but once you realize that the efficient one is getting X done in 10 min while the other ones take 2 hours, you realize that only a fool would do the other strats in a game of REPEATED EVENTS.

if there's anything i would like people to understand about ffxi, it's this: you don't revolutionize ffxi. you don't change it. the landscape of the game is not determined by you, the flipside of this statement being that the responsibility for keeping the game interesting is not on the backs of the players. this is simply how it is; the range of fun events is determined by the range of events implemented by the developers, and the range of interesting strategies to deploy is FULLY determined by the range of appropriate responses to the events implemented by the developers.

example: someone discovers blink tanking with NIN or /NIN. that's just how the mechanics of the game work, intended or not. you're not going to undo it with a better idea. it, like every other player innovation in gameplay in ffxi for the entire life of the game, was a DISCOVERY not a true innovation. ffxi is, in the end, like all the single player ffs: a game played off a template.

what does all this rambling have to do with CORs getting haste and same-old, same-old? the point is that the template has not changed, and probably will not ever be changed. to play ffxi is to engage in a variety of events, either meriting, camping, instanced fights, a mix of the two, or solo gil-raising (with some story quests/missions on the side). all these things are fundamentally repetitive. updates of any jobs abilities will ultimately help the repetitive strategies and be used, or not, and not. there are too many forces dictating this to be the case.

myself, i've understood this for a long time and been fine with it. eventually i got a bit bored with it (and my friends had almost all quit), so i quit. maybe you'll get a haste roll. maybe not. but whatever you DO get, it will either be more of the same, or it won't be useful at all. that is how ffxi works.

Edited, Jun 13th 2010 4:54pm by milich

That is the correct pronunciation.

In reply to all your other stuff in your post. I'm not sure there is much more that can be innovated on a 10 year old game with a limited engine. And I disagree that the player base gravitates to the most efficient strategies. I think they gravitate to the easiest strategies. TP burns are not actually the most efficient strategy for meriting. Having the melée precisely geared so they gain TP at the same rate and then SC for tier 3 at 100 TP would be more efficient. It's just a lot harder to set that type of efficiency up.

And look at BCNM's. Does it really matter whether you finish it at 20 min or 29? People choose BCNM setups for their ease of victory not for time efficiency. But that doesn't mean a less easy strategy will fail. It just requires more skill and therefore risk. That is another problem with the FFXI community. They are generally risk-averse.

tl;dr. FFXI community fails to think outside the box because they want things easy and low risk, not necessarily more efficient.

What that has to do with getting a haste roll I don't know.

FFXI community isnt averse to taking risks, its just FFXI has such a high punishment for failure that people look for the easiest route. The easiest route leads to more gil and less wasted time. If you still dont believe the playerbase takes risks, look at how the playerbase handles new content.

People throw every kind of strategy they can at the wall until something gains an ounce of traction and then it gets improved on. The last 3 add-on final fights are prime examples of this. If you skim over threads about them you will see people discussing different methods and people going in with different systems hopeing to win. Then once they find some significant setups they improve on to a point where they are distilled down to only certain jobs.

As far as the Haste or not Haste roll. Would be nice to have certain situations. I just like getting new stuff. Lets hope it isnt sold by a npc that is constantly never available for a million gil.

edd get back in2 the game on gilgamesh PRONTO!!!!!!!

My money is on it being sneak+invis. Not horribly exciting, but it seems more likely to me than haste.

So.. possibilities that other people have proposed:

Offensive rolls
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Haste/Snapshot
Triple attack
Regain
Critical hit damage
Skill chain damage and accuracy
Magic Critical Rate
TP Bonus during WS

Defensive rolls
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Physical Damage taken
Magic Damage taken
Magic evasion
HP recovered while healing
Cure potency

Other rolls
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Fast Cast
Emnity up
Emnity down
Increases rate of emnity decrease
Killer effects
Movement speed
Gilfinder
Conserve TP
Lowers job timers (by a certain %)

My ideas that I came up just for fun with since I was bored:
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Chance to upgrade skillchain level (level 4 sc?)
Increases weapon-type bonus (slashing/piercing/blunt)
Augments cure spells (adds chance to remove status ailment with a cure spell)
Magic reflection
TP Drain (sounds more like a new dnc samba)
Increases non-weaponskill physical damage

JAs
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All-or-Nothing: Rolling a 17 doubles roll effect. 5 min timer.
Weighted dice: Increases chance of lucky number or 11. Reduces MP to 0. 3 min timer.

Edited, Jun 16th 2010 5:24pm by Dowu

Taken from the official site:

Bolter's Roll(COR Lv.76)
Increases movement speed for party members within area of effect.

Caster's Roll (COR Lv.79)
Enhances "Fast Cast" effect for party members within area of effect.

also-

If a corsair's "Double-Up" ability produces a total of XI, the roll's effect duration will be extended by 10 minutes

Resist Amnesia Gives you a slight resistance against amnesia.
COR Lv.30

EDIT: Someone beat me to it

Edited, Jun 17th 2010 5:24am by Tyka

Dont sell hermes yet. We dont the values of the movement speed or if it will wear once hit.

Fast Cast Roll not so exciting but still solidifies our job as the best mage buffer in the game.

Movement speed roll is potentially exciting if it a) stacks with gear and b) doesn't wear on being hit.

Amnesia resistance is a welcome trait esp since I'm frequently COR/DNC.

And the Extended rolls on XI are pretty sweet whether its 10 min or 15 min that's a big boon. Wish it were 10 min on a lucky roll and 15 min on an XI. That would have been even better. But I guess we can't get everything.

Of course I don't see how we became better DD's with this update, but maybe that's coming or maybe the OAT gun was all they were going to give us.

what was our first buff that helped tanking? Evokers? Evasion Boost? Magic Defense Bonus? Attack Bonus? Certainly wasn't Gallants roll.

Now that /dnc is going to give DW, is it ideal to DW mercurial kris and Joyeuse in situations where /dnc is welcomed? :o

Yes. /NIN is virtually obsoleted for COR (not that it was extremely useful anyway).

Edited, Jun 17th 2010 5:06pm by redvenomweb

Fast cast roll can't take the place of the big 3 mage rolls in a mage-centric party. At least we finally have a decent addition to a 4 roll rotation for melee pt's w/ a healer (sch roll being near useless). Could make the job a more desirable addition to a tank pt during events as well. Looking forward to the movement speed roll too.

Pr takes off the least recently used, not lowest duration roll.
Their icon positions will still show the order they will overwrite.

Don't think I ever used /NIN for DW. It was always about shadows. So /NIN hasn't changed it's role for me. A pulling sub where I'm wielding a light staff.
But the DW on /DNC is intriguing. Might have to invest in an M kris. We'll see.
Wonder if the addition of sekkanoki to meditate has anyone thinking SAM sub has some advantages now. That's a lot of TP building abilities for a heavily WS based job like COR.


Edited, Jun 18th 2010 6:47am by Dartagnann

Not to nitpick, but...

Meditate is 3 minute recast, Subbed it generates 60tp.

So over 15 min you get 3 barrages which may generate on average ~80 TP (240 total) vs 5 meditates that grant you 300 TP, plus all the store TP bonuses that give you more TP plus Sekkanoki that could allow you to self skillchain. Sure you don't get Hasso Bonuses, but likely you'd fulltime Seigan with this sub to keep 3rd eye active.

Sure doing the 100tp -> sharpshot -> WS -> Barrage -> melee -> WS thing is fun, but for the most part all it does is piss off the healers. Super spiking your damage is only useful in zergs, not in most xp/merit situations where you want hate to bounce. This is my whole problem with my RNG. Far too easy to get hate pegged to you for too long.

The only problem I see with /SAM is the accuracy issue compared to /RNG and /DNC. But if you are full timing sushi, that's probably less of an issue.

A Ws ->Barrage -> Melee -> WS will take more time than a 200 TP -> Sekka -> WS -> WS -> darkness will and presumably kill the mob with both endeavors. With 3rd eye up vs nothing, the COR/SAM has likely taken minimal damage in that time where the COR/RNG might have been hit for 600hp worth of damage (depending on elegy state and which TP move the mob uses).