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#52 Jun 18 2010 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
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3rd eye is only 1 block every min...
You have to have 2h weapon to use seigan too.
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#53 Jun 18 2010 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Either way your pulling ahte if your WS back to back, so thats kind of invalid.


A Ws ->Barrage -> Melee -> WS will take more time than a 200 TP -> Sekka -> WS -> WS -> darkness will and presumably kill the mob with both endeavors. With 3rd eye up vs nothing, the COR/SAM has likely taken minimal damage in that time where the COR/RNG might have been hit for 600hp worth of damage (depending on elegy state and which TP move the mob uses).


Your gonna have to shoot for that tp if you useing a fire staff to make seigan and stuff work.
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#54 Jun 18 2010 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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sweet, we can self light with sekkanoki and savage to detonator. a few lucky random deals or wild card could be... fun.

It's interesting having to rethink all my subjobs now.
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#55 Jun 18 2010 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Pr takes off the least recently used, not lowest duration roll.
Their icon positions will still show the order they will overwrite.


Wiki disagrees with you. Says the roll with the shortest duration remaining is removed. Which makes sense, the newest roll has 4ish minutes left, and the older roll has 3ish minutes left. (assuming you didn't reset job ability timers)

But if the older roll was a 10 minute roll, and the wiki's right, it would take off the newer roll instead, since the older one has a longer duration left.

EDIT: pretty sure the wiki is right. The change of duration to 10 minutes would be worthless if it got taken off 2 minutes later because it was the older roll.

Edited, Jun 18th 2010 7:21pm by louispv
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#56 Jun 18 2010 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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louispv wrote:
Wiki disagrees with you. Says the roll with the shortest duration remaining is removed. Which makes sense, the newest roll has 4ish minutes left, and the older roll has 3ish minutes left.

There's effectively no way to know this right now, since we have no way to selectively extend the duration of one roll. Currently, the roll with the shorter remaining duration is necessarily the roll that was applied first.
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#57 Jun 18 2010 at 7:27 PM Rating: Good
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Another potential downer is that sekkanoki will invalidate martial gun's TP bonus. Of course, who knows how much longer we can keep using martial guns anyway.
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#58 Jun 18 2010 at 7:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Another potential downer is that sekkanoki will invalidate martial gun's TP bonus. Of course, who knows how much longer we can keep using martial guns anyway.


You wouldn't think SAM's would love their Hagun's so much if this were true.

And I didn't know the Seigan bonus only applied to 2 H weapon as well. Doh. But still Store TP, Sekkanoki and meditate alone are reason enough to consider /SAM even without a couple extra 3rd eyes.

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#59 Jun 18 2010 at 10:12 PM Rating: Good
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Well, most SAMs seem to like pairing Rana with Sekka anyway.
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#60 Jun 18 2010 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Doesn't the effect of sekka only apply to the first WS? that would be savage blade anyway for light. Det would still be full power i think.
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#61 Jun 18 2010 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Doesn't the effect of sekka only apply to the first WS? that would be savage blade anyway for light. Det would still be full power i think.


Of course that would be valid if Savage -> Detonator -> Light was better than Slug -> Slug -> Reverb. Something tells me the latter will still put up superior numbers provided your slug accuracy isn't brutal.
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#62 Jun 18 2010 at 11:40 PM Rating: Good
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And maybe Numbing Shot will be extremely strong and also chain well with det or slug.
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#63 Jun 19 2010 at 12:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Dartagnann wrote:
Of course that would be valid if Savage -> Detonator -> Light was better than Slug -> Slug -> Reverb. Something tells me the latter will still put up superior numbers provided your slug accuracy isn't brutal.

All things considered, for COR, Detonator -> Slug : Reverb might be your best bet.
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#64 Jun 19 2010 at 7:45 AM Rating: Decent
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All things considered, for COR, Detonator -> Slug : Reverb might be your best bet.


Yes if the TP bonus of Martial Gun doesn't stack with Sekka, then that would be a better bet although one of the advantages of Martial is its boost to detonator damage.

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