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Numbing Shot: Delivers a short-ranged attack that deals triple damage. Additional effect: Paralysis. Duration of effect varies with TP.

/clap... well done SE.

Easily replaces Slug Shot and Detonator for merits. Easily.

Because this WS will land more reliably and will help the party in general by paralyzing the target.

Also you do not need to back off to the right range to maximise it's damage as you need to with Slug Shot.

Edited, Jun 21st 2010 5:36pm by Tatham

But you only need to take 1-2 step away from the monster to start with...

Depends on the modifiers and damage calculations. If the normal damage is greater than slugs then 3 times the initial damage of numbing would be more than 4 times the normal damage of slug. I doubt it though.

EDIT: Good replacement for detonator though. Since we're losing martial gun (since 39 damage is nothing compared to 60 damage guns at 80 and god knows what at 99) the loss of the extra 100 TP will make detonator blow.

Edited, Jun 21st 2010 5:59pm by louispv

Anyone gotten it yet? Looking for how much damage it does, because unless the paralyze is palzy pollen-esque, I doubt we'll use it for that.

Nah, you're going to need to keep most of it on. Martial gun already looks like it's crap for level 80 compared to that new gun, it will most definitely be worthless at 99.

How often do you miss slug on campaign mobs? Probably not very often, right?

Still, wouldn't surprise me if this WS requires less R.Acc than Slug in exchange for lower damage. Which is really what Detonator is, except Det doesn't have an additional Paralyze effect. If it's effectively Detonator with a Para effect... that's not bad.

Also remains to be seen whether it makes any good skillchains - some of the other new WS seem lacking in that regard (for instance, Tornado Kick). If it can't work in a lv3 SC, Det still has its place too.

Edited, Jun 26th 2010 8:43pm by Anza

Don't forget, I would imagine, that Numbing Shot's distance isn't penalized for use within melee range, aki. That + some gear changes could be competitive with Slug. I hope to use it soon.. It took me a couple days to hit 80 - now the real challenge begins.. Taking 271 Marksmanship to 291. Any suggestions, outside of higher level exp parties?

I got some decent skill ups in besieged. nothign exceptional, but it's the easiest if you are alone. It feels like some mobs dont yield skillups to lvl 80. qutribs didnt give me much, but acroliths gave me a fair amount. I still need 2 damn points to get the WS.

Can someone tell me if you need max marksmanship merits to unlock our new WS at Lv80? According to Wiki, COR caps out at 275, 15 shy of the 290 mark. I suppose a SEA torque or /rng belt would help as well. Please tell me I'm forgetting something very important.

For sure, and if true this would cut SS lead in half to about 22% better at the higher base damage.

One interesting find where numbing shot could be beneficial. I was looking at the level 80 magian trail for +10% Detonator damage. I wanted to compare this gun to martial.

martial/steel, fSTR =19, 110 AGI --> base damage = 155

anarchy/steel, fSTR =19, 110 AGI --> base damage = 164

fTP martial @ 100 TP: 2.0
fTP anarchy @ 100 TP: 1.5

martial/steel hits 14.5% harder than anarchy/steel (including the 10% bump)

Detonator's dependence on the fTP boost from martial gun doesn't allow it to take advantage of higher base damage weapons as much as other WS.

Now looking at numbing shot:

anarchy/steel, fSTR= 17 (bring back some RACC), 110 base damage --> 189

fTP = 3.0 always

Now here is where it gets fuzzy. Since det has a ranged attack bonus on it (and we don't know if NS does)it is hard to do a direct comparison.

If rattack is capped vs your target, Numbing shot will hit 110% harder than detonator using the higher base damage weapon and 82% harder than martial detonator

If numbing shot doesn't give a rattack bonus, and the bonus on detonator doubles your rattack portion of the damage equation, Numbing shot with anarchy will hit 5% harder than detonator with anarchy and martial det will hit 9% harder than numbing shot.

I can see the following:

Any high acc situation: High DMG gun + Slug Shot
Low ACC/Low RATT: Martial + Detonator
Low ACC/High RATT: High DMG gun + Numbing Shot

Besieged just isn't happening on Asura.. I have gotten some in Salvage, Nyzul, Abyssea, Walk of Echoes, etc, though. /ra TPing on LBC at 80 was fun.. Used the new Oberon's for WS.

Carrilei,

Get a healer and/or a tank job, and kill birds outside of the top exit to Misareaux Coast. I went from the 75 cap to 80 cap in a few hours for marksmanship, a few more hours for sword. It was just me and a pld, was fairly quick.

Everytime I've gone out there, the sync'd pt's don't mind the slow killing of the 1-2 birds that pop close to the entrance. Work it out with them. There are SOME decent people that still play this game.

My thoughts exactly, we were even losing the chain because we were killing them too fast so people killing some birds to skill up would have pisssed us quite a bit.

Its not hard to find a spot to skillup to 80 with a bit of imagination.

Actually, a TP mod of 3.0 is pretty big...the problem is we always compare to slug which is HUGE (fTP = 5).

Yes, martial gun is USELESS for this WS unless you are wanting to paralyze something.

My advice to all: Hit level 80. Go to magian moogle and get the level 80 marksmanship WS gun (Anarchy 38 DMG).

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Trial 1: Hot Shot x 100 any mob. Reward: +1 DMG Hot Shot Damage +10% (now DMG equal to martial)

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Trial 2: Split Shot x 200 any mob. Reward +3 DMG Split Shot Damage +10% (now DMG equal to Corsair's)

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Trial 3: Sniper Shot x 300 lizard super family: Reward +5 DMG Sniper Shot +10% (43 DMG gun, not bad)

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Trial 4a: Detonator x 500 vermin super family: Reward +10 DMG Detonator DMG +10% (48 DMG gun people! Although Martial will out do it for Detonator...gogo TP bonus)

Trial 4b: Any weapon skill x (i forget 600 or 800), forget family too: Reward 45 DMG gun sTP +8 (if i remember)

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These trials are EASY. Find an EP-- mob hybrid evasion/haste set, /SAM, SAM roll and DNC roll and just WS WS WS WS. I have been averaging 100 WS/hr. Much less effort than any other magian trials. Makes a damn fine QD gun also.

Now in the end, I think the elemental trials with the 45 DMG gun +6 STR +16 rattack will be the one to go for until the high DMG guns are more available. But considering I'll have the +10 DMG Anarchy done in less than a week, I'm pretty stoked.

And a 48 DMG gun will rock for Numbing Shot and Slug. Detonator is still reliant on the TP bonus on Martial so it performs worse on the +DMG gun even with the +10% bonus (lol)

Yes, I was using bronze since I had a bucket of ingots lying around and my alchemy puts me in HQ tier II. Also, from Trial 1 -> 4 that is 1100 WS minimum...with missed that is about 1200 bullets...go cheap...real cheap.

Oops, mixed Copper and Bronze up. My fault.

Nah, Copper are RNG only, I totally forgot about that being the case.

Although if one has RNG too then I suppose I'm just being silly.

If you have any alchemy/smithing skill at all, tin bullets are the way to go. Tin ingots are dirt cheap to make or buy. Tin bullets cost about 1k a stack to make. That's the cheapest bullet out there for COR.

Of course with all that you can push Slug to 1.6k easily. With 291 Marksmanship skill, you're slug rate will be pretty reasonable without Martial. I'm not seeing a whole lot of reason to use Numbing shot unless you can tell me i can selfskillchain light or dark with it.

If you are worrying about pulling hate, your other DD's must suck.

We did Kirin the other night where I definitely don't want to pull hate, and I didn't have him bat an eye at me when I started off with a Sekkanoki induced 1k slug -> 1k Slug combo. In fact by the end of the fight I was one of the last 3 DD's standing still doing damage with QD and one last meditate assisted slug.

My advice to anyone not wanting to "pull hate". Use cheaper ammo. Save some gil rather than using a crappier WS.
It always fun to toy with WS's but the reality, slug is still the best WS we have. Now with increased marksmanship skill its even more useful, as misfires are far less common and we can look at using stronger guns.