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A roll with a description of what appears to be haste?! Look at all those COR/WHM who used to be at the colibri meripo camp before the level cap went up rejoice.

Thereby falling under JA Haste, surely, if it isn't the dreaded weapon-delay reduction.

X-Hit builds work entirely around weapon Delay, which affects TP gain per hit (and therefore Store TP). Play with Delay and everything goes insane.

I'm sure it's not weapon delay reduction or it would have said weapon delay reduction, not melée attack reduction.

It's two DD haste rolls I'm sure and that will totally change how we roll from here on in. I think it also makes 2 COR parties almost a necessity to maximize DD potential. Blitzers, Chaos, SAM, Fighters combo on melée would make them super powered.

I am sure there is a point of diminishing returns though. Haste still does reign supreme, so (unless the magical haste cap is already met, which is fairly tough without a BRD) healer/COR/BRD/DDX3 may still be better than healer/CORX2/BRD/DDX2.

I know that in my at least 300+ merits in a COR/BRD pt (I have both lvlled), the "godly" setup of BRD/COR/healer/DDX3 really wasnt that much more powerful over BRD/healer/DDX4.

Edit: Unless, of course, the CORs are fantastically geared and they are DDing as well. That may be the tipping point.

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 9:35am by ManifestOfKujata

I just hope that my time consuming to obtain Commodore Tricorne actually has a chance to augment these rolls. I still haven't seen evidence it does anything to Bolters or Casters.

Just because they are moving away from the job bonus schema of past rolls doesn't mean they should make the AF2 hat obsolete. Hear that SE.
And give us that stupid BRD ability next level update. It makes so much more sense for COR.

Haste, Haste Samba, and Hasso all say they increase attack speed, instead of reduce attack delay. So I'm expecting this will @#%^ with delay.

I originally posted this in the Job Adjustments Part I thread in the general forum, but I wanted to repost it here where CORs can see it, especially since the original info is hidden amid tons of random stuff in that thread. I looked at the original Japanese to compare terminology for Haste effects and weapon delay reduction, since the wording was more ambiguous in English. Most Haste effects (except for Desperate Blows) are listed as "increasing attack speed", which was a different wording than Blitzer's Roll as listed. I decided to do some digging in the original Japanese texts to check the wording on Haste-related terms:

Blitzer's Roll: 攻撃間隔短縮の効果
(Effect of shortening the attack interval)

Haste (Spell) and March: 標的の攻撃間隔を短くする
(The attack interval of the target is shortened)

Haste Samba: 敵を被攻撃間隔短縮状態にする
(The enemy is put in the state of attack interval shortening)

Hasso: 両手武器使用時に攻撃間隔
(When two-handed weapons are used, there is a shortening of the attack interval)

Desperate Blows: ラストリゾート中に両手武器の攻撃間隔短縮
(During Last Resort, there is a shortening of the attack interval for two-handed weapons)

Hundred Fists: 格闘の攻撃間隔が短くなる
(Shortening of hand-to-hand attack interval)

On the other hand:
Martial Arts: 格闘の攻撃時間が80減少する
(Decreases the hand-to-hand attack time by 80)

So it has the same wording as all the Haste effects and Hundred Fists, and not a delay reduction like Martial Arts - I'm inclined to believe this is a Haste roll.

oops double

Edited, Aug 28th 2010 4:19pm by sscearcev

Lol. You convince 90% of player base that full timing hasso is a bad idea let alone maybe they should sub nin.

Bumping this thread, because this is also win:



http://wilddragonchase.blogspot.com/search/label/Dat%20Mining%20FFXI

Edited, Aug 31st 2010 9:20am by Toioiz

Anyone know the .DAT locations for the new rolls?

Just to discuss this a little further, as this roll + the 80+ level cap has changed possible scenarios that need considering in ultimate setups. (Also note that @80, 6man pty's died, but w/e, we spent too many years discussing this kinda thing).

In the aboce setup, the DNC (which has to be a good one who can cure a pty with 5/5 HS merits) would obviously be on Cure+BS+HS duty. The BRD would ideally be /NIN as the job is unmatched as far as pulling goes. The 3xDD's would obviously be the meat heads at the front.

This leaves COR/whm? on 4-roll rotation + haste + Dia/LightS + pro/shell + debuff duty. As much as all COR's would hate this, the alternative would be a less affective DMG output pty adding in a legit healer meaning only 2xpure DD and the DNC not being used to its potential - In this case, the COR would also not be being held to its potential as we know how much mp gear a cor can stk ~~

Again, this isn't to relevant because thankfully SE changed the way we exp 75+ - I can see us talking about perfect allaince exp setups in the not to far future however, and I can easily see 2/3 of the pty's consisting of that setup. If they were 2 jobs I'd of bet on bein changed because of how the rest of the game is changing simply from going 75-99 it'd of been the 2 most versatile jobs in the game - COR & RDM.



Lastly, if Blitz roll is JA haste, then MNK's will be top DD's no question - they are already contenders at 70% haste, a pty like the above (with decent 25% haste MNK's); Would make COR/WHM BRD/NIN DNC/? MNK/NINx3 unstoppable and if COR's could deliver 10% JA haste from the roll, would mean MNK's hitting an additional 6% Haste faster than hundred fists (basically 30% faster than when they in 100fist mode)

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 6:33am by Sandmasterr

Looking forward to seeing where the chips fall on Blitzer's. It was my initial impression that it was going to be a straight "total delay" reduction and therefore operate similarly to Haste Samba. That means it would be operating outside the normal haste cap, while making sure not to reduce recast timers and such that accompany a normal Haste spell.

Think the gamescape will change any at 90/45 when Joe DD (or even We) can sub DNC for 5% haste samba? The +5% from fully merited samba is a big deal, but will parties choose another DD / a different healer over DNC, not knowing if it's fully merited or not?

but the question was about Cor/whm, not Cor/pup.... {I don't understand.}

Edited, Sep 8th 2010 12:21am by Jinte

Doesn't that make you GAY/COR?

I dont think the loss of dia would hurt the kill speed due to the fact that you can easily max a camp out and run out of mobs. It would need testing but if you speed up your kills to a certain point, your going to be sitting around waiting for repops.

What camp are you talking about. Colibri are so 2009. I don't know of any Abyssea camps that you can outkill pops unless you are into heavy competition.

The time to argue ultimate bird camp setups has long since past.

Wizard's for QD.

So if it affects tp gain, this roll, then WS heavy jobs like the 2h brigade do not gain as much as it from DoT heavy jobs like for example monk.

Not sure what the WS/melee dmg split is on say drg/drk/sam, but h2h mnk is round about 30/70, so more melee hits is good.

As I am not a mathy person, I understand this to mean monk nin etc gain a lot more than say 2h jobs. But...

Does this mean now, a decent roll on this will now make monk the new super DD? As far as I know, for any equal haste situation monk wins, but the ja haste from hasso etc means in reality 2h generally have more haste, but if delay lowers, x-hit builds suffer more as it skews 2h jobs to more melee dmg % than WS. Whereas for monk, using h2h, lower delay is not such a penalty.