1
Forum Settings
       
1 2 Next »
Reply To Thread

Cor AtmacitesFollow

#27 Jul 26 2012 at 12:23 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
**
256 posts
LyltiaofLakshmi wrote:
Quote:
Seriously, stop giving false info regarding reward/effort ratio and priority, and stop giving false info regarding optimal SJ.


/RDM, for one, gives MAB3 same as BLM, and comes with some genuinely useful support magic compared to /BLM. /BLU results in more damage than both, and as you said, /SCH trumps all if you don't have somebody Firestorming you religiously. Sounds kinda inferior to me~

As for false info, you're simply not taking into account the fact that even with that kind of damage boost, the NM dies, what, a few seconds earlier than it would without? Yeah. If you are the only DD then yes, it results in a 30% or whatever increase to output, and a like reduction in killspeed. But, since you are but one of many DDs, and the NM has a finite amount of HP, well, the amount of damage that 30% translates into is much less impressive. Assuming you're not in one of these fail PUGs you keep mentioning, it will be paltry indeed. An Atmacited COR in one of those fail PUGs does not equate success, or even a better chance at success; it results in a dead COR who deals zero damage. Conversely, an Atmacited COR in a non-fail group, PUG or otherwise, is just speeding up an already fast kill by a paltry amount.

If you think that's worth the gil, fine, but don't accuse me of spreading misinformation simply because you disagree with my reasoning.

I mean, this?

Quote:
But don't come up to the forum and tell everyone else that atmacite doesn't make a difference, that's wrong info.


Of course it makes a difference; nobody is arguing that it doesn't. What is being argued is that the difference on the macro level is negligible-to-nonexistent. You can disagree all you want, but it doesn't make this any less true.

Edited, Jul 26th 2012 1:38am by LyltiaofLakshmi


/BLM has higher AGI than /RDM and same tier of MAB, thus making it superior than /RDM in terms of pure dmg output. It's ok if you want to /RDM, there are no deny that /RDM has more defensive/support ability, but it does not out dmg /BLM, and lack of support/defensive ability doesn't make /BLM "inferior" in VW with temps to stay alive. If saying /BLM is "inferior" is not wrong info, than what is right info?

How does COR with atmacite will result dead COR who deal zero damage, when you just proc, zerg, pop fana, proc? But fine, say if a successful ally with 2 COR doing 30% more dmg is less make or break in a pimp pt with super elite DD, you still didn't reply which relic exactly, is more make or break than 30% more dmg you can deal.

I can argue that upgrading Masa 90/TP bonus GK to Amano 95 is less make or break in terms of total pt dmg output and you can still kill fast enough with just Masa 90/TP bonus GK. I can argue that upgrading Magian GS or Ig-alima GS to Rag 95 or Apoc, you don't have more dmg increase than COR with atmacite. None of the relic in this game is truely make or break, nor they do 30% more dmg in an endgame event over cheaper alternatives. The Aegis that showed in your signature, I've done and every event, legion, every VW especially the one with adds, Odin 2, with Ochain PLD without aegis and they still got the job done, thus that's also a relic not make or break in term of success.(No offense and not trying to devalue your relic, just stating fact that anything that needs a PLD Ochain can get the job done, not counting efficiency)

The original OP asked which atmacite to upgrade so he can deal more dmg in VW on COR, pointed out that he wants to do more dmg in VW on COR, entire ally's performance isn't relevant in such discussion. Then suddenly everyone pop out, telling him it's not worth it and better to spend on relic because you can win every VW without atmacite, without providing which relic exactly is required to do any event and make or break either. You can tell everyone that 30% dmg increase on COR is not a lot in entire ally, but you can't deny the fact that majority of other gear, including relic that everyone loves, also doesn't boost your performance as much, and often cost more. You build relic so your NM dies a few sec faster too no? So what's the difference between spending 10M on atmacite so NM dies few sec faster, or spend 110M on relic so NM die a few sec faster too?

Inb4 110M so NM dies few sec faster in legion+VW instead of just VW. They're not much different if you still do VW regularly.

You think that's subjective thing, but I think it's misleading if you tell everyone that spending 110M so NM dies few sec faster on DRK in legion+VW makes bigger difference than spending 10M so NM dies few sec faster on COR in VW. You're making it sound like relic is bigger improvement than atmacite, but the fact is, it's not.










Edited, Jul 26th 2012 2:25am by Afania
#28 Jul 26 2012 at 12:41 AM Rating: Decent
**
824 posts
Well I just looked and yeah, 3 less AGI on /RDM. Have to admit that was surprising, so I concede that point. /BLM still isn't the best choice for damage though. Inferior does not equal 'worst' or even 'bad'; simply that it's not the best.

As you stated in your inb4s, relics carry over into any and every event you do... but Atmacites don't. That includes all currently relevant endgame content as well as new content released down the road. That makes Atmacite a short-term, narrow investment, while relics are a long-term, broad investment. But, again, you're running with the relic angle. Gil buys a lot more than relics.

So in effect, it's a disagreement over a short-term investment with decreasing returns, and a long-term investment with increasing returns. As in, when you stop doing Voidwatch, that Atmacite becomes useless; but that relic keeps on being a relic as long as you play the game, and is very unlikely to diminish in actual value.

To me, it's pretty clear which investment provides the best returns.
____________________________
rdmcandie wrote:
RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

rdmcandie wrote:
MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#29 Jul 26 2012 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
Scholar
***
3,917 posts
Quote:
How does COR with atmacite will result dead COR who deal zero damage, when you just proc, zerg, pop fana, proc? But fine, say if a successful ally with 2 COR doing 30% more dmg is less make or break in a pimp pt with super elite DD, you still didn't reply which relic exactly, is more make or break than 30% more dmg you can deal.


I think the reasoning was in this setting:
bad PUG VW group. Pimped COR with pimped atmacite will now be the biggest DD'er in the group and will therefore take the most hate and have the NM on him. While fanatics is good, it doesn't block all damage and bad PUG's also have more trouble with procs meaning fanatics are not as readily refreshed. Therefore dead COR either from non-physical damage or from fanatics wearing. Trust me, I've been that COR in a bad Pil PUG. It can happen even without the best gear and atma.

In a great VW group, a pimped out COR now becomes irrelevant since that group can take out anything provided the COR gives them some handy buffs and someone keeps the procs going. In that setting the difference in outcome from Atmacites is a very tiny kill speed improvement rather than a complete wipe vs win scenario.

Personally I've been building my atmacites mostly because I like to see what i can do damage wise on COR, but I'm not foolish enough to think I'm making a huge difference in outcome because of it. After seeing so many half *** COR's be successful in VW, its clear that uber COR"s are not relevant in the eyes of the Vanadiel population.
____________________________
Mirabelle
Race: Mithra
Server: Ifrit
75COR/75RDM/75RNG/45THF/37BLM/38WHM/37NIN/37DRK/41BLU/37DNC/37SAM/37WAR/37SCH
#30 Jul 28 2012 at 2:57 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
**
256 posts
LyltiaofLakshmi wrote:
Well I just looked and yeah, 3 less AGI on /RDM. Have to admit that was surprising, so I concede that point. /BLM still isn't the best choice for damage though. Inferior does not equal 'worst' or even 'bad'; simply that it's not the best.

As you stated in your inb4s, relics carry over into any and every event you do... but Atmacites don't. That includes all currently relevant endgame content as well as new content released down the road. That makes Atmacite a short-term, narrow investment, while relics are a long-term, broad investment. But, again, you're running with the relic angle. Gil buys a lot more than relics.

So in effect, it's a disagreement over a short-term investment with decreasing returns, and a long-term investment with increasing returns. As in, when you stop doing Voidwatch, that Atmacite becomes useless; but that relic keeps on being a relic as long as you play the game, and is very unlikely to diminish in actual value.

To me, it's pretty clear which investment provides the best returns.


Lol still defending for your wording I see, but fine, defend w/e, not going to change the fact that /BLM does more dmg than /RDM.

Every gear is short term investment, since you never know which gear,or even relic, remain useful or not after a while. 1 year ago, if you ask which relic to build on DRK,everyone and their mother will reply Apoc. So anyone who build an apoc on that time pretty much just got trashed on parse when reso came out. Ppl who spent 2M on Hagun 3 years ago, now it doesn't worth nearly as much. You can spend your 10M on +7 STR ring or M.Oto+1, god knows when new expansion,they still remain top gear or not. I wouldn't think that far when I decide which gear to invest in, or else that's face it, every gear doesn't last long. I've know enough DRK invested time in empy GA during Abyssea era, only ended up doing Rag 2 years later and toss that Cala...it also wouldn't be fair to judge others using your case....for some ppl VW consists 0~1% of event they do, for some ppl VW consists 30%~50%. And atmacite for COR is way better investment than relic/gears if VW consists more than 10% of event you do on this job. You can't predict the future, just like you don't know if you will still do VW after 6 months, you also don't know the relic/gear you spend 10M on still worth as much after 6 months. So why are you spending gil on gear/relic? Because you want to get the benefit from it now no?



Dartagnann wrote:
Quote:
How does COR with atmacite will result dead COR who deal zero damage, when you just proc, zerg, pop fana, proc? But fine, say if a successful ally with 2 COR doing 30% more dmg is less make or break in a pimp pt with super elite DD, you still didn't reply which relic exactly, is more make or break than 30% more dmg you can deal.


I think the reasoning was in this setting:
bad PUG VW group. Pimped COR with pimped atmacite will now be the biggest DD'er in the group and will therefore take the most hate and have the NM on him. While fanatics is good, it doesn't block all damage and bad PUG's also have more trouble with procs meaning fanatics are not as readily refreshed. Therefore dead COR either from non-physical damage or from fanatics wearing. Trust me, I've been that COR in a bad Pil PUG. It can happen even without the best gear and atma.

In a great VW group, a pimped out COR now becomes irrelevant since that group can take out anything provided the COR gives them some handy buffs and someone keeps the procs going. In that setting the difference in outcome from Atmacites is a very tiny kill speed improvement rather than a complete wipe vs win scenario.

Personally I've been building my atmacites mostly because I like to see what i can do damage wise on COR, but I'm not foolish enough to think I'm making a huge difference in outcome because of it. After seeing so many half *** COR's be successful in VW, its clear that uber COR"s are not relevant in the eyes of the Vanadiel population.



So this scenario only applies to COR, but doesn't apply to DRK WAR MNK SAM? >.>
I'd say it's exactly the opposite, in a bad PUG pt, COR will have higher survive-ability than other type of melee DD doing same amount of dmg, that if you change that pimped out DD from COR to other job, you will more likely to die first and deal even less dmg.
Simply because WF is ranged WS, you can WS outside of AoE range and don't need fana until you pulled hate, so your fana actually last longer. You also build hate a bit slower due to WF additional effect. Change COR to a melee, you need to use fana right from the start, the moment it wears is the moment you will die. In fact, according to my experience, a VW pt with bad proc is usually the pt where COR parses higher, often beating melees, where all procs are smooth and fight ends in 1~3 min, is where COR falls behind melees.

If the pt is pimped out, then "you're not contributing a lot of % in entire ally" can apply to every job, when everyone is contributing, and ally has 7~8 DDs, of course each individual has smaller % in the group. You may as well tell everyone don't spend gil on relic/food/STR+7 ring etc because other DD in pt can do the job and you're just that small 10% in ally. You're not going to wipe without a relic/+7 STR ring/ and so on.

In fact, out of all the event ever exist, COR has pretty high % in VW ally on majority of VW(except a few) compare with other events, just because of how VW works....favors high WS dmg job with all the free TP, and many mobs weak against WF. If you tell me COR has low % in legion/ADL, I will agree with you, that you can go naked on this job and get the job done, while dmg irrelevant. But VW? COR is actually pretty close to real DDs in VW in terms of %, that invest in atmacite will greatly help your ally. I don't deny that a very well geared elite melee will outparse COR with enough haste, but the gap isn't as big as none-VW event, you guys sound like melees is doing 20% while COR doing 5%.

If you don't believe it, you can check here:

http://pastebin.com/d4anjFp6


Maddening+seductive parse, I did 13% on COR total, 3.3k WF avg. Changed name of other ppl to protect privacy. Just to be fair SAM was holding another NM, and Rag 99 DRK was proccing, thus has lower %. Otherwise DRK would parse higher, doesn't mean COR is THAT behind like you make it sound to be. Say if atmacite makes 30%~40% difference, you will lose 30k+ total dmg in entire ally, which is by no means small %(bigger than 1%, lol).


In an event when fight ends fast:

http://pastebin.com/zZiCN5z8

Seductive end in 3:18, this is done before Arma 99/new staff added, so WF avg wasn't as high as now. But still 19% in 3 min 18 sec fight. 30% of my individual dmg would worth about 5% in ally. SAM holding another NM again so SAM's % doesn't count.

And just in case you're wondering why I always post melees losing, to be fair I can post melee winning one too.

http://pastebin.com/nRQ1QtU5

Same pt setup as previous one, but Maddening BC, end in 1 min 45 sec(end when I just start to engage), I didn't do very well, but my individual 30% still worth more than 1% in ally.


Another one combined all 3 BC

http://pastebin.com/6APYEwFr

Again, my 30% is worth about 5% in entire ally, so does other fight I posted. I don't know how pimp the DDs you pt with, maybe much pimper than DDs in my ally. But personally I think atmacite upgrade for this job is well worth it, unlike majority of other atmacite in this game, gives much dmg boost in entire ally than majority of other gears worth this much.

Personally I wouldn't say COR dmg is THAT irrelevant in VW.....I agree it's much more irrelevant in legion, ADL, w/e other event, but just not VW, this event is MADE for DD COR, and there are little reason not to upgrade it if you do VW on this job. Especially in OP's case, he already had enough cruor to upgrade above mentioned 3 atmacite, and instead of upgrading proper atmacite to help his ally more than 5%, you'd rather suggest him to NPC it(which takes quite an effort to do) to buy what? Another gear/relic that may get outdated when new expansion out, and unlikely to give 30% dmg boost nor determine wipe or win?

Seriously, can we just back to OP's question already and stop telling him(and other ppl intend to update atmacite) not to do it.





#31 Jul 28 2012 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
**
824 posts
Quote:
Every gear is short term investment, since you never know which gear,or even relic, remain useful or not after a while. 1 year ago, if you ask which relic to build on DRK,everyone and their mother will reply Apoc. So anyone who build an apoc on that time pretty much just got trashed on parse when reso came out.


You keep missing the point. You lose 100% of the benefit of Atmacite when you stop doing Voidwatch, but your relics stay relics. Just because Ragnarok is now the superior option for DRK in some situations doesn't make your Apocalypse a giant piece of useless trash. It's still an Apocalypse, it's still best in some situations, and it still owns regardless. Other gear that isn't EX retains resale value; even if the piece plummets in value due to being outclassed by something else, you can still get something for it, the same for which cannot be said for Atmacites.

Quote:
Lol still defending for your wording I see, but fine, defend w/e, not going to change the fact that /BLM does more dmg than /RDM.


Why wouldn't I? I said precisely what I meant to say, I can't help it if you misinterpret it or just have a bad vocabulary. Besides, I never said /RDM would outdamage /BLM, and I even conceded that point upon further reflection... If you can't recognize a concession, or what the argument at hand even is, I'm not really sure why you're here in the first place.

Quote:
So this scenario only applies to COR, but doesn't apply to DRK WAR MNK SAM? >.>


Of course it applies to other jobs. This has nothing to do with jobs. It has to do with wasting a @#%^ton of cruor in an event where it's completely unnecessary. Since you are obviously so proud of your parses (which, btw, your rudimentary analysis does them no justice in an event as complex as VW... no control for with/without Atmacite? 7 NMs out of what, 73? Not taking into account the damage added through rolls? All of that proved exactly nothing, sorry.) I'll go ahead and say they were a good investment for you since you're so impressed with your numbers, but don't go assuming everyone is as eager to squander their limited resources on such a short-sighted, marginal improvement as you apparently are.

Edited, Jul 28th 2012 1:12pm by LyltiaofLakshmi
____________________________
rdmcandie wrote:
RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

rdmcandie wrote:
MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#32 Jul 28 2012 at 4:18 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
**
256 posts
LyltiaofLakshmi wrote:

You keep missing the point. You lose 100% of the benefit of Atmacite when you stop doing Voidwatch, but your relics stay relics. Just because Ragnarok is now the superior option for DRK in some situations doesn't make your Apocalypse a giant piece of useless trash. It's still an Apocalypse, it's still best in some situations, and it still owns regardless. Other gear that isn't EX retains resale value; even if the piece plummets in value due to being outclassed by something else, you can still get something for it, the same for which cannot be said for Atmacites.

.


Not going to reply regarding /BLM debate.

I didn't miss the point, I know we will lose 100% of benefit when we stop doing VW, and I also know I will lose 100% of benefit once certain gear get outdated and you leave your gear in MH or toss it.

Many gears doesn't retain same resale value once it's outdated. 3 years ago SAMs grind gil out of their teeth to buy a Hagun, which costs 2.5M(farming 2.5M 3 years ago takes as long as farming 10M today btw), got a pimp GK, and now it worth like? 25~40k? So all the 2.5M they farmed pretty much just tossed in the garbage can. You still keep that Hagun, able to use it in all events, but you're also not going to bring it anywhere to an event when other easy to obtain GKT has higher output. Unless your "get something for it" is that resale value of 25k, then I have nothing to say. You sound like gear you buy/farmed stays good forever, but the fact is, they're not, unless ppl would rather use inferior gear when they outdated, never plan to replace it with newer stuff.

This applies to every gear/relic. Rag parse high atm, Amano parse high too, how do you know after 3 years SE wouldn't release another AH GK parse higher than Rag/Amano, forcing every DRK and SAM go buy that AH GK, seal their relic in MH, regret doing it like what they did to Cala? And don't start situational talk...if one DD gear doesn't have higher output than another, then it's garbage when they got the better gears. I spent a lot of gil to buy many expensive gears back in the past, such as stat rings, then when better gear released I resale or even NPC them for very little value, all the gil I spent on it pretty much just tossed to the water, just like atmacite. But I can't say I regret it, since I still get the benefit of that gear at that certain time. Same for atmacite, you lose the benefit when you stop doing VW, but since you're doing VW now, you get the benefit. And since SE won't release new expansion until next year, we still have a couple more month's of benefit we can get.

You can defend for gears/relic all you want, but you're not going to change the fact that many player who played for years, also tossed quite a large sum of gil on gear and no longer get the benefit now, nor they get the gil back. Remember the day DDs lving up farm for month or even sell their tele scrolls for a Hauby? No way any SAM would bring Hagun+Hauby to event now, yes, they're worthless even if you still keep them and used to spent months farming gil for them.

And the parse % is just there to prove that atmacite did more than 1% in entire ally, proving that saying atmacite makes only 1% difference is underestimating it. If you want to make up numbers to convince others, at least do it properly with data to support. I wasn't trying to prove how much dmg COR can do in a controlled environment(this isn't a A job v.s B job output discussion sorry), I was trying to say, in majority of the event, with all the uncontrollable factor factor in....death, proc, pt with gimp/pimp, everything. 30% of COR's output can result greater than 1% in entire ally, and certainly help your ally a lot, it's not about show off, nor precise output comparison in perfect environment, it's about whether it worth more than 1% or not in a realistic battle situation, with actual data to support. And I can safely say, majority of VW fights I've been to on this job, with parse data to support, 30% of my dmg worth more than 1% in ally, so your 1% talk is incorrect.


Honestly, if you don't want to invest in atmacite and do 30% less dmg in VW, then it's YOUR choice. But stop telling others don't when they ask for atmacite suggestion. They did not ask questions such as "Atmacite or relic, which one I should buy", they did not ask for an analyze for investment value for gear and atmacite. They ask which atmacite they should be using. And ppl even go all out suggesting ppl don't update atmacite because it makes 1% in ally, which is proved to be incorrect. And all the "atmacite won't be useful when VW dies, gear stays useful forever" talk, is clearly blind and ignoring countless gears that no longer useful, just like atmacite. You keep saying why you wouldn't upgrade atmacite, ok, we got that, your choice, but that's irrelevant to OP's Q as he clearly want to upgrade it. And there are certainly no point to make up fake numbers trying to convince others not to do it.









P.S, I think you're just ****** that Anza said not upgrade atmacite=gimp, thus trying to keep telling your justified reason not to upgrade atmacite to everyone until everyone accepts the fact that no atmacite doesn't mean gimp ._. Or else I really don't know why you keep over emphasize your reason(to a point to make up numbers) not to upgrade it when your reason is irrelevant to others.



Edited, Jul 28th 2012 6:33pm by Afania
#34 Jul 28 2012 at 8:42 PM Rating: Decent
**
824 posts
Your parse analysis still fails, and you are still missing the greater point here.

Hagun is a pretty bad example, as the price on that didn't crash overnight; if you sold it as soon as it became apparent it was no longer hot ****, you would've got a decent return on it. Nor does the price crash overnight on most gear that becomes outdated. Again, your analysis fails.

As for your P.S? I have all of three of those Atmacites at level 15, thanks. However, I have a variety of useful jobs for Voidwatch, and sometimes I forget to change my Atmacites before battle. It was then that I noticed how little those Atmacites were really contributing to the cohesion of the alliance. If I could go back? Yes, I would still level them, because I was doing Voidwatch since it launched, back when they really did make a difference. But you see, I am not blind to the metagame as you are. I can take a step back and realize that hey, these mobs get trashed in a couple minutes regardless if i'm doing 2k Wildfires or 3k Wildfires. That's why I recommend anyone coming into Voidwatch at this stage in the life of the event to not bother and save their resources for other uses. I sure as **** don't level new Atmacites when I level new jobs at this point, that's for **** sure.

As for harping on me for not answering the OP? If you had read the thread instead of just attacking me, you would have seen that his question was answered in the 2nd reply, and that I was 3rd person to point out the relative futility of upgrading at this stage. Every single thing you've posted thus far has been as extraneous to the OP's question as anything else in this thread, so I'd step off that soapbox.

You'll notice that I'm not jumping down anyone's throat for disagreeing with me concerning whether or not to upgrade their Atmacite. All I've been saying since the beginning is that it warrants a serious, individual appraisal of the cost vs the benefit of upgrading. You're the one who decided to get in my face about it, and I'm simply defending my reasoning... not that you've posed any real challenge, mind you. If anyone's mad here, it's definitely you.
____________________________
rdmcandie wrote:
RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

rdmcandie wrote:
MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#35 Aug 07 2012 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
**
256 posts
LyltiaofLakshmi wrote:
Your parse analysis still fails, and you are still missing the greater point here.

Hagun is a pretty bad example, as the price on that didn't crash overnight; if you sold it as soon as it became apparent it was no longer hot sh*t, you would've got a decent return on it. Nor does the price crash overnight on most gear that becomes outdated. Again, your analysis fails.

As for your P.S? I have all of three of those Atmacites at level 15, thanks. However, I have a variety of useful jobs for Voidwatch, and sometimes I forget to change my Atmacites before battle. It was then that I noticed how little those Atmacites were really contributing to the cohesion of the alliance. If I could go back? Yes, I would still level them, because I was doing Voidwatch since it launched, back when they really did make a difference. But you see, I am not blind to the metagame as you are. I can take a step back and realize that hey, these mobs get trashed in a couple minutes regardless if i'm doing 2k Wildfires or 3k Wildfires. That's why I recommend anyone coming into Voidwatch at this stage in the life of the event to not bother and save their resources for other uses. I sure as **** don't level new Atmacites when I level new jobs at this point, that's for **** sure.

As for harping on me for not answering the OP? If you had read the thread instead of just attacking me, you would have seen that his question was answered in the 2nd reply, and that I was 3rd person to point out the relative futility of upgrading at this stage. Every single thing you've posted thus far has been as extraneous to the OP's question as anything else in this thread, so I'd step off that soapbox.

You'll notice that I'm not jumping down anyone's throat for disagreeing with me concerning whether or not to upgrade their Atmacite. All I've been saying since the beginning is that it warrants a serious, individual appraisal of the cost vs the benefit of upgrading. You're the one who decided to get in my face about it, and I'm simply defending my reasoning... not that you've posed any real challenge, mind you. If anyone's mad here, it's definitely you.


Yes yes, those mobs got trashed regardless I'm eating food or not, regardless I have capped skill or not, regardless I'm using right SJ or not, regardless I have all proc spells or not. It does't matter if the mob is killed 10 sec slower.

Except you did not factor that every penny you saved, it's using other 17 ppl's time/resource when entire pt kills slower. Killed NM in 2 min instead of 1 min 50 sec, small difference yes, but entire ally wasted 10 more sec every pop, after 18 pops that's nearly 1hr of time wasted if you add all the time lost together. If one person in VW ally purposely come without atmacite(already have enough cruor, but choose not to upgrade it), I'd feel he doesn't respect the pt's time.


Lolz I'm not mad, just giving out correct information regarding your "atmacite only increase 1% in ally" and "BLM is inferior SJ for VW". It's fine that you think VW won't worth a sh*t after a while, and no point in upgrading, but giving out false info everywhere to support your POV? That's a bit too much no?

Note that majority of JP pt and some NA pt also required players to have capped skill+lv 15 atmacite x3 if they want to join, and that's kind of normal.
I'm under the impression that do necessary home work before joining /shout pt can lessen the load of work from other pt member and kinda rude not to have appropriate SJ/atmacite/skill level/proc when you join /shout? As I said previously, this kind of attitude is what makes majority of PUG VW still fails/kill slow nowadays, every single good/efficient VW pt, pt member has fully upgraded atmacite, and I've yet to see a pt without atmacite that's efficient/good before. Unless it's a player already got majority of stuff from VW, not upgrading atmacite when you have enough cruor just makes other ppl have to sacrifice their time for your 3.9M cruor(which still takes time to convert to 10M gil mind you), nothing more.

Jumping down everyone's throat? Entire time you pretty much just calling others fail and nothing more, and you accusing me for being mad when I'm just giving correct info regarding the aspects you missed about the benefit of not upgrading atmacite? lolz.


P.S: About that P.S, it doesn't matter whether you already have lv 15 atmacite or not(read my previous P.S again, I never assume you don't have atmacite and worded it carefully), your "opinion" is not having atmacite doesn't matter, Anza said not having atmacite=gimp, thus making your opinion gimp and you may be ****** about it to a point that you have to keep defending for it?




Edited, Aug 7th 2012 1:08pm by Afania
#36 Aug 08 2012 at 12:42 AM Rating: Decent
**
824 posts
Quote:
Lolz I'm not mad, just giving out correct information regarding your "atmacite only increase 1% in ally" and "BLM is inferior SJ for VW".


/facepalm

Really? 10 days to come up with this? You certainly didn't prove the former, and the latter is 100% true...

Edited, Aug 8th 2012 2:57am by LyltiaofLakshmi
____________________________
rdmcandie wrote:
RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

rdmcandie wrote:
MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#38 Oct 24 2012 at 1:56 AM Rating: Good
Sage
***
2,869 posts
Bringing this post back from the dead to note that all of the argument in the topic is now a lot less relevant with the chocobo blinker/cruor gear NPC price nerf. Now, your cruor is good for exactly two things:

1) Brew. Not insignificant for a Wildfire COR, given that it's one of the best jobs in the game for quick brew kills of multiple Empy 90 trophy NMs. But maybe you're done with Abyssea and empy farming.

2) Atmacite. If you don't need your cruor for #1, might as well upgrade some atmacite now if you plan to do any significant amount of VW.

Re-reading these posts, I can also still say I'm happy to have had upgraded atmacites for these past many months. Better performance in an event that has made up a good chunk of my FFXI time in 2012 is a plus to me, even if Atmacite eventually become completely useless (just like some of my gear that's now relegated to permanently sitting with a Porter Moogle but was helpful in its day). While I get the argument that it's a temporary benefit only for as long as VW is a thing that people do, and that a COR with full atmacite isn't likely gonna make-or-break your run, it's still just satisfying to me to play as well as I can.

Edited, Oct 24th 2012 3:58am by Anza
____________________________
Anza: Titan 2004-2011 / Capuchin: Phoenix 2011-???
1 2 Next »
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 1 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (1)