Lol ok, you can 'ban' me all you want, it doesnt make what I said less true.
When i said focus on eva gear, i didn't mean only eva gear, but for some slots theres really no options. Sure earring, ring, neck you should have dd option for when in a pt.
First real DD item:
Belt: life (48) / swift (50)
Back: Belicose (52)
Body: Cerise (50)
Glove: Battle gloves (12), combat mittens +1 (30), combat caster mitts (40, but worse then combat mittens imho), fencing/finese gloves (60)
leegs: cobra unit (68)
One way or another, until 50, you wont have crap for DD gear in some slots. By 68 you finally have an option for every slot. And by 70 you can do dynamis, 78 aurore, and 80+ cirque af3 gear.
Belt: Mrc. Cpt. Belt (30), Tilt Belt (40)
Back: Fidelity Mantle (30)
Body: Mrc. Cpt. Doublet (30) / Aega's Doublet (32) / Elvaan/Mithra/Taru RSE Bodies (33) / Combat Caster's Cloak (40) / Fomor Tunic (40)
Hands: You argued my point for me
Legs: HERDER'S SUBLIGAR (25) / Elvaan/Taru RSE Pants (31) / Crow Hose (50)
With how fast 50-75 is, theres no need to hunt down uber rare dps pieces. You wont be 90% useless 100% of the time.
And try tanking for a pt some time. pups are sub warrior alot anyways, and we have access to tons of eva gear and +eva traits. For pts its a really really good option. I tanked most of 30-65 with my friend releveling wearing evasion gear and never heard a single complaint from the rdm or whm that were healing me.
I HAVE tanked with my pup before. I've tanked in the level range your talking about as pup, pld, war, and mnk, and you know what? Pup sucks ass at tanking. If a pup can hold hate for sh*t, then your DDs suck ass, ESPECIALLY vs colibri. Sure, a big WS will pull hate every now and then, and you can voke, but guess what: EVASION SUCKS. Check this out: evasion has a....
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you CANNOT evade more than 80%, and hitting 80% evasion vs EXP lvl mobs is harder than capping accuracy's 95% vs the same mobs. Also, if you had a Rdm and a whm healing you, and from what you've said, you had your puppet healing you too, wait... you needed THREE healers to tank? That's not a tank. That's a @#%^ing MP sponge.
DD is not the only thing PUP can do, and until 50+ they dont even do it that well (master wise, pet is fine)
Hello, you're talking to the same person who constantly preaches about pup's versatility, and one of the few who provides experiences and detailed examples of how to fill said roles. However, you're @#%^ing wrong. Sub 50, pup is one of the BEST DDs in the game. Sub 50, the difference between A and C skills wasn't enough to be noticeable when I leveled pup. I regularly outparsed everyone in my party except thfs (SATAVB is broken), BEFORE my puppet was added in. Oh, and that was BEFORE SE raised our skills. The only job that will regularly outparse a competent DD pup pre-50 is a competent THF who has a skill chain going, or a ballsy RNG who gets lucky and doesn't die. Especially if said pup has merits to get Raging Fists early, because Raging Fists easily competes with SATAVB. Of course, Sharpshot doesn't have any issue outparsing a thf. PUP can do anything well, except tank, but pup is a DD first and foremost, and for now, that is above and beyond what we do best.
Colibri frmo 37-50 are weak enough that you can solo them as a pup when they still con Very tough because of how slow they hit. Then guess what, its more Colibri 50-65, and they still hit slow enough that a pup can solo them when they con very tough.
Its not magic or lies. With decent evasion gear at 50 (evasion bonus 2) you are actually really durable. 37-49 can be rough, but its not impossible to hold agro with voke and maneuvers.
Yes with a decent sam or rng holding agro off them can be a challenege, but if the party is still making 15-25k/hr with a pup holding agro 80% of the time its not that different than any other tank imho.
No, it really is impossible to hold hate with voke and maneuvers if you know anything about hate at all. Voke is a pure VE increase of 1800, which by the time voke's 30 second recast is back, has completely reduced itself to 0 unless you have +enmity gear. Oh, and it gives 1 CE, which is gone the next time you get hit. Maneuvers give ZERO VE and ONE CE, meaning that maneuvers effectively generate NO hate, beyond the normal CE generated by almost every JA in the game. Decent Evasion gear at 50 + the 22 evasion of Evasion Bonus II is enough to see MAYBE, a 50% evasion rate if you're exp mob is getting debuffed properly (I doubt it, most mages are @#%^ing lazy), and less if it's not. In addition, Colibri have FAST attack speed, even with slow/hojo/elegy. I'll have to see a pup hold hate 80% of the time against any single DD that isn't half-assing, let alone a whole party, before I even consider it within the realm of possibility.
Obviously it IS magic or lies, because you have no explanation for how you did it. No you are not "really durable" as a Lv.50 PUP, evasion is not a viable way to avoid damage from exp level mobs, and you have absolutely no way to hold hate. Even PLDs ad NINs need damage to help hold hate, and you're here saying that you held hate just fine with no enmity building abilities and lower damage output (from just the master) than a typical melee....
Okay, i didnt think i needed to spell it out, but okay.
1) Use whm auto, less heals needed = more durable, and less agro lost to others healing you
2) Melee dd/ws when available
5) evasion bonus 2
6) maneuvers, im not entirely sure how much they add, but im pretty sure they do add emnity, and you can cycle through em 1 every 10s
7) the fact no other melee dd even use food 37-60
1) using the whm puppet HALVES your DD output and SEVERELY gimps your role in the pt.
2) fair enough
3) is good for getting hate once every 30 seconds, unless you actually have enmity+ gear
4) makes #2 significantly less effective
5) is negligible at best
6) maneuvers add 0 enmity
7) Your DDs sucking at their job does not instantly make you a great tank.
When a RNG pops a Sidewinder, how exactly do you get hate back? Or when a SAM pops a self-skillchain? Like i said before, "tanking is more than just hitting Provoke." Regardless of whether or not you think you tanked 25k/hour parties as a level 50 PUP, you didn't... First voke, maybe... but I guarantee that you did not "tank".
Gee didn't realize taking 80%+ of the htis wasn't tanking, cause in every party I have ever been in the tank loses agro when someone uses sidewinder, or self skill chain. Infact, I'd be hard pressed to name a situation where the tank holds agro the entire time. Aside from endgame where tanks are given extra time to build hate. And there are easy ways to tell how much exp/hour you are making so I know you can't possibly be arguing that.
Do me a favor, go get an evasion build and sync to 50 and try it out. Other wise please stfu because I did it, I know it works, and you can hate and lie and try to deny it all you want, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Then you've never partied with a half-intelligent tank. Any pld worth his sh*t can lock down hate without any issue. If your nin casts more than utsusemi, they're probably intelligent enough to lock down hate pretty well too. If your pld never uses their mp, or only uses voke/flash, and all your nin does is ride shadows and voke, you have sh*tty tanks. sh*tty tanks =/= tanking.
And do ME a favor, and accept the fact that YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS TRIED THIS BEFORE. I HAVE tried this, and despite the fact that I ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND HOW GEAR WORKS, I failed MISERABLY. First voking and MP sponging is not even remotely close to tanking.