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Dynamis report, part 2 of 4 - Procs:

- There are three proc types, based on the mob's type: magic, JA, and WS
- So far that's as specific as I can make it. There are probably some that don't work but they haven't been verified. I believe even low lvl WS like Red Lotus Blade work, and I think I saw Blizzard (1) work.
- Understanding of JA is that it has to be targeting the mob in some way (i.e. Arcane Circle shouldn't work)
- You can proc at any time: while mob is doing TP move, casting, or stunned.
- The same move (WS, song, whatever) can be used multiple times on the same mob. If stun didn't work once, try it again.
- I guess it's possible that the last two statements could lead one to believe that you can't proc at certain times, but I'm not 100% certain. Just passing along our experience/knowledge so far.
- I came on PUP/SCH last night (various reasons, not too important to the discussion). My job was to kill the TE mobs (more on that in part 4), DD regular mobs/NMs, and proc. Theoritically, that should give me access to all 3 types of procs.
- On magic mobs, I saw all kinds of things work: Stun, Drain, many Threnodies, Thunder IV, not sure what else. BRD was amazing at procing mage mobs.
- We had terrible luck on JA mobs (next time our THF will be /dnc, which is supposed to be great at JA procs). Saw Weapon Bash work once or twice, but I think that's it ; ;
- Saw a number of WS work, including: Mandalic Stab, Evisceration, Stringing Pummel, Tornado Kick, and String Shredder.

Pup specific:
- Saw these work for sure: SP, Tornado Kick, String Shredder, Deploy.
- Possibly saw Light Maneuver proc, but may have been Deploy and I didn't notice. Kinda hectic. Also, I think it was a WS mob (not JA), so I'm a little baffled. I believe Deploy also worked on a WS mob. I tried to spam random maneuvers on a number of mobs after that and had no luck, so idk
- Had no luck at all with Flashbulb, Strobe, or Shield bash (puppet style). Tried on many types of mobs.
- Though it doesn't mean much at this point (not enough testing), I had no luck with Can. Blade or Bone Crusher. Didn't test any WS under SP because SP and TK worked at least once and tried to spam them.
- I had no luck casting spells on mage mobs. I saw the DRK's drain work, but I didn't get lucky with it. Probably just bad luck on my part. I tried drain, aspir, sleep, dispel, and a few low tier nukes.
- Please provide more input when you get it!
- For the record, I haven't tried voidwatch and don't know much about it. I have no clue if it has the same or similar proc system.

Edited, May 16th 2011 2:45pm by SelkaSeraph

Dynamis report, part 4 of 4 - Frustration:

So my job in last night's dyna was to start by killing all the TE stones, then move on to dd as normal. All stones seem to be the same as before (1000hp), pretty easily one-shotted without many ice up. For safety, I put up all 3 ice and went for max damage in all my gear. No reason to mess around here. I'm extremely displeased with how it works.

I found that if you deploy on the mob (retrieve or no), the nuke does NOT claim it for your group/party/ally. The mob's name doesn't turn red and you don't get the TE or KI when it dies. This goes back to the fact that nothing but a melee hit from your puppet actually claims it for you. Total BS.

Also, one-shotted stones die funny (I think this is different from pre-update). After being one-shotted, their eyes turn red, they have a sliver of hp for a few seconds, you can't engage them at all at this point, stuff links to them (going after whoever had hate), and then they die. In my opinion, this isn't very fair, but that's how it is. You have to pull the stone when it won't link anything else (almost impossible with sound agro mobs).

For these reasons, I do not recommend PUP solo killing the TEs. I want to play with this some more, but it's not looking good yet. I had to claim the mob (myself, with melee attacks, JAs or spells) while my pet was casting. But then hate of the surrounding mobs is on you ; ;

I had a few horribly frustrating deaths due to some annoying circumstances, and almost tossed up my hands and told the BLM to do it. Thank goodness for reraise on /sch.

But wait, it gets weirder. If you go for regular stones for hp or mp, other funny stuff happens. (BTW, regular stones have different names from TE stones. A few have red eyes, but almost all seemed to be hp or mp). So I nuked a stone and brought it to a sliver of hp. Then my puppet and I got hp or mp like usual. Then the mob died unclaimed and with no drops or exp. I'm actually OK with missing exp and drops from stones, but damnit, I want TEs and KIs! Why can the blue/green stones drop hp/mp, but the TE stones don't give TEs? Utter crap.

So, I'm thinking of either posting on the official forums or calling a GM. By all logic, I should totally be able to nuke a stone and have it claimed to me. The cool part about pup is that Deploy doesn't make sneak or invis wear, so getting TEs SHOULD be easier for us than for BLM. As for now, I'm about ready to give that job to the BLM (if you have one). I'd love to be able to do it on my own, but the system is broken... and not in our favor this time. Next dyna run, I'll call a GM and maybe let them watch or something. Good luck ; ;

Not sure this is correct - I'm almost certain that the other day when I was in I saw Wind Maneuver proc (from Kayn, I wasn't on PUP).

Thanks for the posts though, lots of good information ^^

Exactly! I could SWEAR I saw Light maneuver proc, so I'm really just not sure what to think about JA procs anymore. Thanks for the info ^^

Yes it takes exactly 300 seconds. So still a quasi meditate, just not 1/10 as awesome.

Nitpick! :P Offensive puppet abilities. BP: rage procs magic and bst pet abilities proc JA.

Thanks sharcats! * tugs on tail *




@Dragonmasterxxxx
Yeah I vaguely remember seeing deploy proc once unless it used one of its abilities and didn't see it. so I'm not so sure myself. Didn't see Disruptor go off because i was smashing them quick ><. I'm pretty with the WHM Auto / PUP/dnc setup its pretty decent :D about 70 a run. Saw muffin proc brds with enfeebles too, I was worried auto magic would be considered something else like ranged atks. I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE UPDATE THOUGH. Man...


Edited, Dec 2nd 2011 5:44am by takawaka