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#1 Sep 19 2011 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Since no one seems to have made the thread yet; (Sauce). Particularly delicious items will be in bold.

Weapons:

Oynos Knife Rare
Dagger
DMG: 40 Delay: 176
Enhances "Resist Slow" effect
Additional effect: Haste
Lv93 WAR THF PLD DRK BRD RNG SAM NIN DRG COR PUP DNC

Grotesque Ceti Rare
Hand-To-Hand
DMG:+20 Delay:+0 VIT+7
Additional effect: HP Drain
Lv92 MNK PUP
---- Grotesque indeed.... stats that is

Rounsey Wand Rare Exclusive
Club
DMG:1 Delay:216
Enchantment:
"Teleport" (Chocobo Circuit)
Lv30 All Jobs

Maestro's Baton Rare Exclusive
Club
DMG:1 Delay:288
Enchantment: Costume
Lv1 All Jobs

Melomane Mallet Rare Exclusive
Club
DMG:1 Delay:288
Enchantment: Costume
Lv1 All Jobs

Verethragna Rare Exclusive
Hand-To-Hand
DMG:+39 Delay:+51 STR+17
"Victory Smite"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
Lv95 MNK PUP

Revenant Fists +3 Rare Exclusive
Hand-To-Hand
DMG:+34 Delay:+55
"Victory Smite"
Lv95 MNK PUP

Ursine Claws +3 Rare Exclusive
Hand-To-Hand
DMG:+1 Delay:+86
Lv95 MNK PUP

Taipan Fangs +3 Exclusive
Hand-To-Hand
DMG:+32 Delay:+61
Lv95 MNK PUP

Barracudas +3 Rare Exclusive
Hand-To-Hand
DMG:+24 Delay:+60
Lv95 MNK PUP

Kenkonken Rare Exclusive
Hand-To-Hand
DMG:+39 Delay:+49
Enhances "Martial Arts" effect IV
Suppresses "Overload"
"Stringing Pummel"
Aftermath (Incl. Automaton):
Inc. Acc./Atk.
Occasionally attacks twice or thrice
Lv95 PUP

Sub/Range/Ammo:

Ultio Grip Rare
Increases "Retribution" damage
Additional effect: Curse
Lv93 All Jobs

Salubrious Grip Rare
HP+40
Lv92 All Jobs

Arbuda Grip Rare Exclusive
"Subtle Blow"-5 Haste+1%
Lv95 All Jobs

Wizzan Grip Rare
INT+3 "Conserve MP"+1
Lv94 All Jobs

Furtive Grip Rare
"Subtle Blow"+5
Lv93 All Jobs

Mantis Eye Rare Exclusive
Ammo
Ice Resistance-10 Air Resistance+10 Accuracy+10
Lv95 MNK THF RNG BLU COR PUP DNC

Strobilus Rare
Ammo
MP+45 Dark Resistance+10
Lv92 All Jobs

Ombre Tathlum Rare
Ammo
INT+4 "Conserve MP"+2
Lv93 All Jobs

Head:

Ocelo. Headpiece
Head
DEF:31 DEX+12 AGI+12 Haste+6%
Adds "Regen" effect
Set: "Triple Attack"+3%
Lv95 MNK THF BST RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC

Nefer Khat
Head
DEF:30 MP+20 Magic Accuracy+5
"Magic Atk. Bonus"+5 Enmity-4
Set: Adds "Refresh" effect
Lv95 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN PUP SCH

Oce. Headpiece +1
Head
DEF:32 DEX+13 AGI+13 Haste+7%
Adds "Regen" effect
Set: "Triple Attack"+3%
Lv95 MNK THF BST RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC

Nefer Khat +1
Head
DEF:31 MP+25 Magic Accuracy+6
"Magic Atk. Bonus"+6 Enmity-5
Set: Adds "Refresh" effect
Lv95 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN PUP SCH

Theia's Hairpin Rare
Head
DEX+6 AGI+6 Accuracy+9 Evasion+9
Lv94 All Jobs

Lenore's Hairpin Rare
Head
AGI+9 "Subtle Blow"+9 Enmity-9
Lv92 All Jobs

Neck:

Tndm. Necklace +3 Rare Exclusive
Neck
DEF:8
Lv75 All Jobs

Phrenic Torque Rare
Neck
Dark Resistance+20 Enmity-7
Converts 30 HP to MP
Lv92 All Jobs

Wiglen Gorget Rare
Neck
Physical damage taken -6%
Magic damage taken +6%
Adds "Regen" effect
Lv93 All Jobs

Calcitrant Stole Rare
Neck
DEF:7 Attack+9
Increases "Kick Attacks" attack
Lv92 MNK RDM THF BST RNG NIN DRG COR PUP DNC
----Note: This is an increase to kick attack damage, not kick attack rate. So no, it's not actually worth considering for pup

Dualism Collar Rare
Neck
HP+45 MP+45 CHR+6 Light Resistance+10 Dark Resistance+10
Lv94 All Jobs

Tjukurrpa Medal Rare
Neck
STR+6 VIT+6 Fire Resistance+10 Earth Resistance+10
Lv94 All Jobs


Aife's Medal Rare
Neck
INT+6 MND+6 Ice Resistance+10 Water Resistance+10
Lv94 All Jobs

Moepapa Medal Rare
Neck
DEX+6 AGI+6 Air Resistance+10 Thunder Resistance+10
Lv94 All Jobs

Saevus Pendant Rare
Neck
Magic Accuracy-3
"Magic Atk. Bonus"+9
Lv93 WHM BLM SMN PUP SCH

Smithy's Torque Rare Exclusive
Neck
Smithing skill +2
Lv70 All Jobs

Alchemst. Torque Rare Exclusive
Neck
Alchemy skill +2
Lv70 All Jobs

Ears:

Bruiser's Earring Rare
Earring
Hand-to-Hand skill +3
"Subtle Blow"+4
Lv92 All Jobs


Evergreen Earring Rare
Earring
Accuracy+3 Evasion+3 "Subtle Blow"+3
Lv92 All Jobs

Strophadic Earring Rare Exclusive
Earring
INT+3 "Magic Atk. Bonus"+4
Elemental magic skill +4
Lv95 All Jobs

Enchntr. Earring Rare
Earring
CHR+4 Magic Accuracy+2
Lv94 All Jobs

Earthcry Earring Rare
Earring
Earth Resistance+10 Enhances "Stoneskin" effect
Lv93 All Jobs

Brachyura Earring Rare
Earring
MP+20
Enhances effect of Protect and Shell spells cast on wearer
Lv91 All Jobs

Terminus Earring Rare Exclusive
Earring
HP+10
Increases combat skill gain rate
Lv91 All Jobs

Liminus Earring Rare Exclusive
Earring
MP+10
Increases magic skill gain rate
Lv91 All Jobs

Body:

Ocelomeh Harness
Body
DEF:58 STR+11 DEX+11
"Double Attack"+2%
Set: "Triple Attack"+3%
Lv95 MNK THF BST RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC

Nefer Kalasiris
Body
DEF:49 MND+15 "Cure" potency +10%
"Cure" spellcasting time -10%
Set: Adds "Refresh" effect
Lv95 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN PUP SCH

Toci's Harness Rare Exclusive
Body
DEF:60 STR+13 DEX+13 Accuracy+10
Attack+10 "Double Attack"+3%
Sphere: Haste+2%
Set: "Triple Attack"+3%
Lv95 MNK THF BST RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC


Heka's Kalasiris Rare Exclusive
Body
DEF:51 MND+17 "Cure" potency +15%
"Cure" spellcasting time -15%
Adds "Refresh" effect
Sphere: Enhances "Fast Cast" effect
Set: Adds improved "Refresh" effect
Lv95 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN PUP SCH

Ocelm. Harness +1
Body
DEF:59 STR+12 DEX+12
"Double Attack"+3%
Set: "Triple Attack"+3%
Lv95 MNK THF BST RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC

Nefer Kalasiris +1
Body
DEF:50 MND+16 "Cure" potency +12%
"Cure" spellcasting time -12%
Set: Adds "Refresh" effect
Lv95 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN PUP SCH

Jurfu Cloak Rare
Body
Cannot Equip Headgear DEF:49
HP+150 Earth Resistance+25
Enhances "Resist Petrify" effect
Enhances "Resist Slow" effect
Lv93 MNK WHM BLM RDM PLD BRD RNG SMN BLU PUP SCH

Hands:

Alucinor Mitts Rare Exclusive
Hands
DEF:27 MP+50 DEX+8 Dark Resistance+50
Haste+4%
Lv94 WAR MNK RDM THF DRK BRD NIN BLU COR PUP DNC

Rings:

Tyrant's Ring Rare
Ring
AGI-4 Attack+8 "Store TP"+4
Lv92 All Jobs

Valseur's Ring Rare
Ring
Accuracy+3
"Waltz" potency +3%
Lv92 All Jobs


Prolix Ring Rare
Ring
MP+20 Enmity-3
Enhances "Fast Cast" effect
Lv92 All Jobs


Paguroidea Ring Rare
Ring
DEF:20 Adds "Regen" effect
Lv92 All Jobs

Moepapa Ring Rare Exclusive
Ring
AGI+5 Great Axe skill+5
Marksmanship skill +5
Lv94 All Jobs

Moepapa Annulet Rare Exclusive
Ring
AGI+5 Great Sword skill +5
Great Katana skill+5
Lv94 All Jobs

Tjukurrpa Ring Rare Exclusive
Ring
DEX+5 Axe skill +5
Katana skill+5
Lv94 All Jobs

Tjukurrpa Annulet Rare Exclusive
Ring
MND+5 Sword skill +5
Club skill+5
Lv94 All Jobs

Aife's Ring Rare Exclusive
Ring
STR+5 Dagger skill +5
Archery skill+5
Lv94 All Jobs

Aife's Annulet Rare Exclusive
Ring
INT+5 Scythe skill +5
Staff skill+5
Lv94 All Jobs

Portus Ring Rare Exclusive
Ring
VIT+5 Hand-to-Hand skill +5
Polearm skill+5
Lv94 All Jobs


Portus Annulet Rare Exclusive
Ring
Accuracy+7 Guarding skill +5
Evasion skill +5 Shield skill +5
Parrying skill +5
Lv94 All Jobs


Angha Ring Rare
Ring
Magic Accuracy+4
MP recovered while healing +2
Lv94 All Jobs

Poeas' Ring Rare
Ring
Ranged Attack+8 "Store TP"-4
Lv94 All Jobs

Back:

Kaikias' Cape Rare
Back
DEF:7 INT+6 MND+6
Wind Elemental Magic Accuracy+4
Wind Elemental "Magic Atk. Bonus"+4
Lv92 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN BLU PUP SCH

Romanus Cape Rare
Back
DEF:8 INT+4 "Magic Atk. Bonus"+4
Addle+6%
Lv92 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN BLU PUP SCH

Balladeer's Cape Rare
Back
DEF:8 CHR+9
String instrument skill +6
Lv92 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN BLU PUP SCH

Chela Cape Rare
Back
DEF:10 MND+4 Magic Accuracy+4
Lv92 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN BLU PUP SCH

Oretania's Cape Rare
Back
DEF:7 HP+20 "Cure" potency+4%
Lv93 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN BLU PUP SCH

Meanagh Cape Rare
Back
DEF:11 DEX+3 AGI+3
Ranged Accuracy+7 Evasion+7
Lv93 MNK THF BST RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC

Waist:

Corvax Sash Rare
Waist
DEF:5 CHR-4 Song recast delay -2
Lv92 MNK WHM BLM RDM PLD BRD RNG SMN BLU PUP SCH

Moepapa Stone Rare
Waist
DEF:5 CHR+5 Haste+5%
Pet: Haste+5%
Lv94 BST DRG SMN PUP


Bishop's Sash Rare
Waist
DEF:5 Divine magic skill +5
Healing magic skill +5
Lv93 All Jobs

Olympus Sash Rare
Waist
DEF:5 Enhancing magic skill +5
Elemental magic skill +5
Lv93 All Jobs

Harfner's Sash Rare
Waist
DEF:5 String instrument skill +5
Wind instrument skill +5
Lv93 All Jobs

Cimmerian Sash Rare
Waist
DEF:5 Summoning magic skill +5
Ninjutsu skill +5
Lv93 All Jobs

Casso Sash Rare
Waist
DEF:5 Enfeebling magic skill +5
Dark magic skill +5
Lv93 All Jobs


Legs:

None that I saw

Feet:

Savateur's Gaiters Rare
Feet
DEF:20 Accuracy+8 "Kick Attacks"+3
"Subtle Blow"+8 Haste+2%
Lv92 MNK WHM RDM THF PLD BST BRD DRG SMN BLU COR PUP DNC



My Comments:

Theia's Hairpin Rare
Head
DEX+6 AGI+6 Accuracy+9 Evasion+9
Lv94 All Jobs

This is to O.hat as Antares Harness is to Scorp Harness. Kills the ohat's one effective bonus that's kept it in my inventory; acc AND evasion (I use it for heavy eva builds for tougher NMs)

Tjukurrpa Medal Rare
Neck
STR+6 VIT+6 Fire Resistance+10 Earth Resistance+10
Lv94 All Jobs

Hello new best non-gorget WS neck piece. Also 6 vit on the neck is nothing to scoff at, given how little vit gear we have when we need it Smiley: laugh

Bruiser's Earring Rare
Earring
Hand-to-Hand skill +3
"Subtle Blow"+4
Lv92 All Jobs

Goodbye, Kemas Earring. Brutal/Bruiser's is the new winning set, and they even have matching names to prove it. Of course, this is only really the case if the 3 h2h skill bumps you up a damage tier (guaranteed if combined with faith torque, or something else if you need less than 10 to go up), otherwise 3 atk 2 acc vs 2 str 1 atk 4 acc will probably lean more towards kemas, though it'll be a wash outside of lengthy parsing situations. If you get the +1 damage though, kemas won't be able to touch it. The subtle blow is a nice touch, too.

Evergreen Earring Rare
Earring
Accuracy+3 Evasion+3 "Subtle Blow"+3
Lv92 All Jobs

Nifty little earring, here.

Earthcry Earring Rare
Earring
Earth Resistance+10 Enhances "Stoneskin" effect
Lv93 All Jobs

Another delicious boost to stoneskin if you use /sch regularly

Toci's Harness Rare Exclusive
Body
DEF:60 STR+13 DEX+13 Accuracy+10
Attack+10 "Double Attack"+3%
Sphere: Haste+2%
Set: "Triple Attack"+3%
Lv95 MNK THF BST RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC

Reminder that you don't get the boost from sphere: buff (unless someone else in your party is also wearing this piece). I doubt this would beat farsetto(+1 or +2) for TP, unless you don't need the haste, but it should definitely beat both +1 and +2 for WS.

Heka's Kalasiris Rare Exclusive
Body
DEF:51 MND+17 "Cure" potency +15%
"Cure" spellcasting time -15%
Adds "Refresh" effect
Sphere: Enhances "Fast Cast" effect
Set: Adds improved "Refresh" effect
Lv95 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN PUP SCH

Nothing wrong with this if you happen to be /sch or /whm and casting cures, I guess.

Alucinor Mitts Rare Exclusive
Hands
DEF:27 MP+50 DEX+8 Dark Resistance+50
Haste+4%
Lv94 WAR MNK RDM THF DRK BRD NIN BLU COR PUP DNC

If you don't have Cirque +2, and your puppet isn't meleeing, these are nice, but pantin will win if you're using VE or SS, and Guanti +2 will win otherwise.

Portus Ring Rare Exclusive
Ring
VIT+5 Hand-to-Hand skill +5
Polearm skill+5
Lv94 All Jobs

omnomnom, <3 more h2h skill, and the extra vit is a bonus as a WS mod for everything we use except VS.

Portus Annulet Rare Exclusive
Ring
Accuracy+7 Guarding skill +5
Evasion skill +5 Shield skill +5
Parrying skill +5
Lv94 All Jobs

7 acc is beautiful for TP, if you need it, and hey, new best evasion ring. And no, guard still sucks, so don't bother considering the guard skill as a useful stat. It's essentially not even there.

Angha Ring Rare
Ring
Magic Accuracy+4
MP recovered while healing +2
Lv94 All Jobs

Handy if you need m.acc for landing sh*t /sch

Chela Cape Rare
Back
DEF:10 MND+4 Magic Accuracy+4
Lv92 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN BLU PUP SCH

See Angha Ring

Oretania's Cape Rare
Back
DEF:7 HP+20 "Cure" potency+4%
Lv93 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN BLU PUP SCH

Nothing wrong with cure potency

Meanagh Cape Rare
Back
DEF:11 DEX+3 AGI+3
Ranged Accuracy+7 Evasion+7
Lv93 MNK THF BST RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC

wtf... an evasion cape that doesn't suck! (lookin' at you, toreador's mantle...)

Moepapa Stone Rare
Waist
DEF:5 CHR+5 Haste+5%
Pet: Haste+5%
Lv94 BST DRG SMN PUP

Just like pantin vs guanti, if you're using VE/SS, this will win over Cirque Sash/Twilight Belt. Also means we don't need to waist an inventory space on Shaolin belt. *rimshot*

Casso Sash Rare
Waist
DEF:5 Enfeebling magic skill +5
Dark magic skill +5
Lv93 All Jobs

The only +magic skill belt that matters. Moar dark skill is moar drain/aspir. omnomnom

Savateur's Gaiters Rare
Feet
DEF:20 Accuracy+8 "Kick Attacks"+3
"Subtle Blow"+8 Haste+2%
Lv92 MNK WHM RDM THF PLD BST BRD DRG SMN BLU COR PUP DNC

New best TP feet, even if you don't need +2% to cap gear haste, unless you can still hit 25~26% while using pantin hands/Moepapa stone (see above). Perfect for when you ARE using those two, since it negates the loss of haste. Also the 3% kick attacks, while tiny and not very important, is a nice little bonus. Also subtle blow. We (Us, not the g'damn puppets, SE) need moar subtle blow. This update made capping subtle blow on pup a loooot easier

Edited, Sep 19th 2011 4:20pm by Jinte
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Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
#2 Sep 19 2011 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Its updates like this that make me very sad.

A lot of side grade equipment/new ws pieces from VW and nothing exciting that makes me go "oh i wanna go do void watch now!".
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dustinfoley wrote:
Its updates like this that make me very sad.

A lot of side grade equipment/new ws pieces from VW and nothing exciting that makes me go "oh i wanna go do void watch now!".

What worries me is that they didn't say anything about adjusting any attachments. Do we have to wait for the next version update to see any real change (cooldown doesn't count. It's @#%^ing useless.), or did they decide to ninja them without actually announcing what, if anything, they changed?
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O

Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
#4 Sep 19 2011 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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Loving all that +Vit since I don't have Vere. yet. I must a few good pieces to get my hands on, but like it was mentioned more side grades then upgrades =/. And yeah were are those attachment fixes?
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Does this,

Bruiser's Earring Rare
Earring
Hand-to-Hand skill +3
"Subtle Blow"+4
Lv92 All Jobs

beat Moonshade with regain on it? I feel like a noob for asking but I'm just too lazy/busy to do math. :/
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#6 Sep 19 2011 at 7:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lady Jinte wrote:
Tjukurrpa Medal Rare
Neck
STR+6 VIT+6 Fire Resistance+10 Earth Resistance+10
Lv94 All Jobs

Hello new best non-gorget WS neck piece. Also 6 vit on the neck is nothing to scoff at, given how little vit gear we have when we need it Smiley: laugh


Why would anyone care about something that's second to sea gorgets when gorgets are easy to solo these days? Especially if this comes from Voidwatch and its awful loot distribution system.

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Bruiser's Earring Rare
Earring
Hand-to-Hand skill +3
"Subtle Blow"+4
Lv92 All Jobs

Goodbye, Kemas Earring. Brutal/Bruiser's is the new winning set, and they even have matching names to prove it. Of course, this is only really the case if the 3 h2h skill bumps you up a damage tier (guaranteed if combined with faith torque, or something else if you need less than 10 to go up), otherwise 3 atk 2 acc vs 2 str 1 atk 4 acc will probably lean more towards kemas, though it'll be a wash outside of lengthy parsing situations. If you get the +1 damage though, kemas won't be able to touch it. The subtle blow is a nice touch, too.


Kemas was a WS only piece before this update - Moonshade (w/ Regain) and Aesir were already better for TP. And I'm not convinced that on its own, Bruiser's will necessarily beat those (particularly Moonshade).

This is all going to depend on your total H2H skill from gear, and what you lose by choosing those H2H skill pieces. For example, losing the valuable MA delay from Cirque Necklace if you choose Faith Torque. Cirque+2 head is a very nice H2H skill piece that you'd want to use anyway, but I'd be more wary of giving up stuff like Cirque Necklace, Moonshade Earring, Epona/Rajas without having a closer look at the math.

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Evergreen Earring Rare
Earring
Accuracy+3 Evasion+3 "Subtle Blow"+3
Lv92 All Jobs

Nifty little earring, here.


I personally find it mediocre. Subtle Blow and evasion are always a nice combo, but how often are you evasion tanking something that you need Acc on any more? And if you are evasion tanking, why not use the many better evasion +4/5 earrings that you probably already have?

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Portus Ring Rare Exclusive
Ring
VIT+5 Hand-to-Hand skill +5
Polearm skill+5
Lv94 All Jobs

omnomnom, <3 more h2h skill, and the extra vit is a bonus as a WS mod for everything we use except VS.


See above comments on Bruiser Earring.

On it's own, this certainly doesn't beat Epona/Rajas for TP, or any combination of Epona/Spiral/Rajas for WS. Would depend on other gear and total H2H skill.

I can't see it beating Epona's for TP, so it would be competing with Rajas there. For WS, I'd be skeptical that it beats Epona/Spiral for Pummel, or Epona and Rajas (or a good STR ring like Pyrosoul) for VS.

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Meanagh Cape Rare
Back
DEF:11 DEX+3 AGI+3
Ranged Accuracy+7 Evasion+7
Lv93 MNK THF BST RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC

wtf... an evasion cape that doesn't suck! (lookin' at you, toreador's mantle...)


Or, use Boxer's, which is still better. Like we already have been for years as an evasion piece. Getting sea = not hard!

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Moepapa Stone Rare
Waist
DEF:5 CHR+5 Haste+5%
Pet: Haste+5%
Lv94 BST DRG SMN PUP

Just like pantin vs guanti, if you're using VE/SS, this will win over Cirque Sash/Twilight Belt. Also means we don't need to waist an inventory space on Shaolin belt. *rimshot*


Not so sure this wins over Twilight unless you're capping haste already without the extra 2% on Twilight (not to mention the 2% DA). Those last couple % of master gear haste are the most valuable, and the puppet gains comparatively less by adding to its lower base gear haste.

I see this more as a Shaolin Belt upgrade for those rare situations where you're focusing primarily on the automaton.

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Savateur's Gaiters Rare
Feet
DEF:20 Accuracy+8 "Kick Attacks"+3
"Subtle Blow"+8 Haste+2%
Lv92 MNK WHM RDM THF PLD BST BRD DRG SMN BLU COR PUP DNC

New best TP feet, even if you don't need +2% to cap gear haste, unless you can still hit 25~26% while using pantin hands/Moepapa stone (see above). Perfect for when you ARE using those two, since it negates the loss of haste. Also the 3% kick attacks, while tiny and not very important, is a nice little bonus. Also subtle blow. We (Us, not the g'damn puppets, SE) need moar subtle blow. This update made capping subtle blow on pup a loooot easier


Nothing I'm going to go wild about since I got Haste+3% Kokugetsu feet, but a nice upgrade from Aurore/Usukane for TP.

Sort of an Aurore sidegrade for solo purposes, I'd generally prefer Aurore's evasion over redundant Acc, some added damage from KA, and Subtle Blow.


Edited, Sep 20th 2011 1:00pm by Anza
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#7 Sep 20 2011 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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Gotta agree with Anza with most of his analysis, except for Moepapa Stone. If you manage to get a 3% haste Kokugetsu, master would be at 25% gear haste (which is pretty much capped, getting to 26% doesn't add a whole 1% haste), and pet would receive a 5% haste buff, which is pretty good, considering it has a permanent 15% haste with Turbo Charger and 1 wind. I don't think that the extra haste (less than 1%) and 2% DA will beat 5% pet haste if you're using a DD automaton, outside of crazily high haste situations. If I'm bored I'll do the math later.
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#8 Sep 20 2011 at 8:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Can always do the math:

4/5 +2 w Savateur's Gaiters Rare: 19%

Twilight belt: 7% haste 2% DA
M. Stone: 5% haste for master/pet


Gonna use 50 dly weapon as example.
340 dly + 50 weapon -10 (from +2 pants) = 380 dly (1 attack round every 6.33 seconds)

4/5 +2 w Savateur's Gaiters Rare: 19%
w/ twilight= 26% => 285 dly (1 atk round every 4.75 sec) ==> 24 swings/min
w/ m stone = 24% => 288.8 dly (1 atk round every 4.81 sec) ==>24 swings/min

This is with just gear haste so the difference in the two is completly unnoticable as to the loss in master dps, but a pure 5% gain for the pet. Add in spell and bard haste and its a bit more noticable.

4/5 +2 w Savateur's Gaiters Rare: 19%
w/ twilight= 26% => 51 swings / min
w/ m stone = 24% => 49 swings +1 kick / min


As for the pet:
1 wind: 15% haste = 341 dly 10.5 atk/min (ss) 307 (ve)11.7 atk/min
with m stone = 321 dly (ss) 11.21 atk/min 289.27 (ve) 12.44 atk/min
So you average 1 more atk per min with the m stone belt.

In general I would go for savateurs gaiters with twilight belt if I wanted to max my DD.

I could max my haste (+3 boots) which would almost cap me with m stone, but you lose 2% DA for 1 extra pet attack a min, which isn't really worth it imho.
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Hello new best non-gorget WS neck piece. Also 6 vit on the neck is nothing to scoff at, given how little vit gear we have when we need it Smiley: laugh


Why would anyone care about something that's second to sea gorgets when gorgets are easy to solo these days? Especially if this comes from Voidwatch and its awful loot distribution system.


Because Yovra's suck Smiley: bah

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Goodbye, Kemas Earring. Brutal/Bruiser's is the new winning set, and they even have matching names to prove it. Of course, this is only really the case if the 3 h2h skill bumps you up a damage tier (guaranteed if combined with faith torque, or something else if you need less than 10 to go up), otherwise 3 atk 2 acc vs 2 str 1 atk 4 acc will probably lean more towards kemas, though it'll be a wash outside of lengthy parsing situations. If you get the +1 damage though, kemas won't be able to touch it. The subtle blow is a nice touch, too.


Kemas was a WS only piece before this update - Moonshade (w/ Regain) and Aesir were already better for TP. And I'm not convinced that on its own, Bruiser's will necessarily beat those (particularly Moonshade).

This is all going to depend on your total H2H skill from gear, and what you lose by choosing those H2H skill pieces. For example, losing the valuable MA delay from Cirque Necklace if you choose Faith Torque. Cirque+2 head is a very nice H2H skill piece that you'd want to use anyway, but I'd be more wary of giving up stuff like Cirque Necklace, Moonshade Earring, Epona/Rajas without having a closer look at the math.


I'd forgotten about Moonshade/Aesir, tbh. I don't have either (though I do have access to the odin fight now, so I should really get on that...). The main reason this and the +skill belt are nice is that they give us more slots to add h2h skill in for when considering someone who doesn't have sh*t like epona's/twilight belt/cirque necklace (I went 1/12 on mine. Keesha Poppo's a whore.)

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Nifty little earring, here.


I personally find it mediocre. Subtle Blow and evasion are always a nice combo, but how often are you evasion tanking something that you need Acc on any more? And if you are evasion tanking, why not use the many better evasion +4/5 earrings that you probably already have?


The subtle blow is the entire reason I like this earring. It's subtle blow on an earring with useful secondary stats. In situations where you're not getting Auspice, capping SB is not exactly easy.

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omnomnom, <3 more h2h skill, and the extra vit is a bonus as a WS mod for everything we use except VS.


See above comments on Bruiser Earring.

On it's own, this certainly doesn't beat Epona/Rajas for TP, or any combination of Epona/Spiral/Rajas for WS. Would depend on other gear and total H2H skill.

I can't see it beating Epona's for TP, so it would be competing with Rajas there. For WS, I'd be skeptical that it beats Epona/Spiral for Pummel, or Epona and Rajas (or a good STR ring like Pyrosoul) for VS.


It's a matter of sidegrade, really. It doesn't beat rajas/spiral/epona, but then again, there are people who don't have one/all of those rings (not sure why they wouldn't have spiral, but rajas/epona are at least somewhat understandable), and if they should happen to get this before those, it's a solid ring. Also, whether or not it beats rajas has a lot to do with where you are. Rajas' store TP isn't anything to write home about unless you build for it, if you're already loaded on str (abyssea), the str won't change anything since you'll be capped on fSTR anyway (meaning you'd get more attack out of this +skill ring), and 5 dex isn't going to change crit rate by any noticeable margin. If you're capped fSTR and this ring pushes you up a damage tier, than this ring would probably beat rajas for TP unless you've got enough excess STP gear that rajas allows you to shave an attack round or two off of your building to 100tp. Read: sh*t's situational. As far as WS goes yea, it's basically "if you don't have something better".

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wtf... an evasion cape that doesn't suck! (lookin' at you, toreador's mantle...)


Or, use Boxer's, which is still better. Like we already have been for years as an evasion piece. Getting sea = not hard!


Getting sea = not hard. Getting enough coins for brutal, loquacious, boxer's, and w/e AF+1 you need when you can't/don't do limbus regularly, however, is not nearly as easy as getting sea.

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Just like pantin vs guanti, if you're using VE/SS, this will win over Cirque Sash/Twilight Belt. Also means we don't need to waist an inventory space on Shaolin belt. *rimshot*


Not so sure this wins over Twilight unless you're capping haste already without the extra 2% on Twilight (not to mention the 2% DA). Those last couple % of master gear haste are the most valuable, and the puppet gains comparatively less by adding to its lower base gear haste.

I see this more as a Shaolin Belt upgrade for those rare situations where you're focusing primarily on the automaton.


it'll depend on what you're doing. 2% haste for the master when you're lowman and the difference won't be as much as 5% for the puppet. If you're getting haste, double march, and samba, then yea, of course twilight belt will win. However, as I am constantly having to remind people, not every situation is a high haste situation

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New best TP feet, even if you don't need +2% to cap gear haste, unless you can still hit 25~26% while using pantin hands/Moepapa stone (see above). Perfect for when you ARE using those two, since it negates the loss of haste. Also the 3% kick attacks, while tiny and not very important, is a nice little bonus. Also subtle blow. We (Us, not the g'damn puppets, SE) need moar subtle blow. This update made capping subtle blow on pup a loooot easier


Nothing I'm going to go wild about since I got Haste+3% Kokugetsu feet, but a nice upgrade from Aurore/Usukane for TP.

Sort of an Aurore sidegrade for solo purposes, I'd generally prefer Aurore's evasion over redundant Acc, some added damage from KA, and Subtle Blow. [/quote]

You're the exception to the rule. Also, I'm 0/350+ 5th echelon trophies on those mother@#%^ing boots, so I must give let you have a heart "@#%^ you", Anza. (I still love you)
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Because Yovra's suck Smiley: bah


My Valoredge was soloing the Om'Yovras (the 100% drop rate higher level ones) at 90cap when Burts gave 10 regain. I'd imagine it's not that tough at level 95 even without that regain bonus, with an occasional DEA or master tanking. Remember that pets can't be charmed, so automaton tank is pretty handy on these. And at any rate, should be easy with really any healer + DD duo.

The lower level (lv82) Ul'yovra should kind of be a joke at 95, but don't have a 100% organ drop rate.

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The subtle blow is the entire reason I like this earring. It's subtle blow on an earring with useful secondary stats. In situations where you're not getting Auspice, capping SB is not exactly easy.


Too go off on a little tangent here, interesting to think of what my idea of a good SB-capped build does look like for PUP now (only requires one item that wasn't around at 90cap).

/NIN job trait: 15% (note that /DNC gives 10%)
Agasaya (or Tiercel): 5%
Slither Gloves: 5%
Rajas: 5%
Heed Ring: 7%
Vellaunus: 5%
Savateur's Gaiters: 8%
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TOTAL: 50% = capped Subtle Blow


Outside of Savateur's, not a very hard set to obtain. Rajas is no longer difficult, CoP can be duoed. Slither/Heed/Vellaunus/Tiercel can be obtained on the AH. And Agasaya isn't that hard to farm, from a T2 VNM in [A]Attohwa that shouldn't need more than a duo to kill easily (can be soloed by many jobs at 90, so even easier at 95), blue proc gives you a very good chance of drop.

There are a few sacrifices from ideal TP DoT gear needed:
* Agasaya is a pretty fair trade-off for Cirque Necklace even if it slightly decreases DoT.
* I'd suggest Slither Gloves for solo only. Would require more of a sacrifice of haste from the hands slot, but they're a really great solo piece with eva/atk+9 to go with the SB+5. I personally rarely use them on PUP, but I love them on my NIN and DNC (which I use more often for evasion soloing).
* Heed is a great piece on its own for those without Epona's, but if you DO have Epona's you'd have to consciously give up better DD in exchange for the solo utility of Heed's eva/SB combo.

I'd still be awfully skeptical of giving up Brutal/Moonshade or Brutal/Ethereal in the earring department when soloing. But I guess you could look into Bruiser's first, and Evergreen second.

Of course, you could mix and match in other ways (use Bruiser's earring, ditch Slither Gloves for +2 hands for a net loss of only 1 Subtle Blow).

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Yeah, but it's not at all hard to farm gil these days. Just go farm some valuable Abyssea pop items and sell them, NPC some Cruor/Dom notes gear, etc. Then buy the coins from Bazaars.

Plus, it's EASY these days to get coins in Limbus. I duoed SE Apollyon with Kayn a few times at 90 cap and cleared it easily, netting us about 20 coins a piece. 95 cap = even easier. Might want to leave the skeleton floor a little early though, those can be annoying. And even if you can't get a full clear, you can solo multiple floors of many zones to farm for coins.

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Hehe it did take me a ton of trophies before I got mine (which also came with Subtle Blow+1 :O). No offense taken at any venom that comes my way for finally getting the sexy pair.

That being said, I'd still trade them in for Savateur's. It's just that it would be a bit less of an upgrade for me than it would for some people, so I'm not quite as motivated if it comes from something particularly obnoxious like, say, a T5 Voidwatch fight.


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Yea, I was never one of the pups who managed to get their hands on burtts, but once hit 95 I'll try some Om'Yovra's again. They have this nasty habit of always managing to force me into some form of "oh@#%^" scenario afterwhich I die.

edit: for the record, right now I'm pretty much solo 95% of the time, due to my play window relative to the rest of my LS. If I do have someone to duo with, it's brdvesta, and if we're going to duo something it's going to be something far more awesome, like Ovni (he solos ovni for fun). Though I probably should see if he'd be up for doing some limbus duoing...

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If I do have someone to duo with, it's brdvesta, and if we're going to duo something it's going to be something far more awesome, like Ovni (he solos ovni for fun).


Ovni does drop Yovra organs :) And you're right, way more fun than hanging out in Al'Taieu.

Back on the new stuff topic... I've already seen Savateur feet up on the AH. Not even sure where they come from yet (VW, WoE, KCNM, etc), but I'm hoping it's something that people continue to get for drops and the price stabilizes into something reasonable. Most of the jobs on the piece get better haste TP feet already, so PUP would be more interested in these than most jobs. Unless Temper causes a run on melee RDM gear... >.<
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If I do have someone to duo with, it's brdvesta, and if we're going to duo something it's going to be something far more awesome, like Ovni (he solos ovni for fun).


Ovni does drop Yovra organs :) And you're right, way more fun than hanging out in Al'Taieu.

Back on the new stuff topic... I've already seen Savateur feet up on the AH. Not even sure where they come from yet (VW, WoE, KCNM, etc), but I'm hoping it's something that people continue to get for drops and the price stabilizes into something reasonable. Most of the jobs on the piece get better haste TP feet already, so PUP would be more interested in these than most jobs. Unless Temper causes a run on melee RDM gear... >.<

Temper is basically Brutal Earring with an mp cost and a short duration. I doubt it'll do anything other than troll rdms.
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I doubt it'll do anything other than troll rdms.


I dunno, there are a lot of ignorant RDMs out there...

Savateuer's prices dropping quickly to reasonable levels on my server. Last 3 on my server sold for 500k, 3 up now. Wouldn't shock me to see it quickly stabilize at a fairly accessible price. Worth noting that 4/5 Cirque+2 plus Twilight Belt and Savateur feet = 26% haste.

Bruiser's Earring seems a little more pricey for now, and will have competition from the hordes of MNKs. Potentially more useful for MNKs, who are usually using 5/5 AF+2 in an ideal TP build now, which gives H2H skill+7 from hands.

What's the new h2h skill cap for MNK and PUP anyway? I've only played on my DNC and NIN since update, but I'll be getting around to my h2h users very soon.
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PUP at 95, with 8 H2H merits, and AF3+2 head has exactly 397 H2H skill. Guess what item brings it to 400 skill, just in the 47 damage tier?

Bruiser Earring is better than Kemas for TP and WS inside abyssea, and better than kemas for TP outside (Kemas wins on WS by a little bit outside since 2 STR 2 VIT matter much more when your stats aren't super-buffed).
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PUP at 95, with 8 H2H merits, and AF3+2 head has exactly 397 H2H skill. Guess what item brings it to 400 skill, just in the 47 damage tier?


Verrrrrry interesting :)
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And verrrrrrrry expensive ;_;

MNKs with merits, AF3+2 hands, and torque also break a tier with the earring... In Ragnarok prices have skyrocketed: 500k->500k->1M->1M->??? Tried to buy the last one, but couldn't buy it even for 1.3M. Probably at 1.5M, and I hope hope hope hope no one buys it and stabilizes at around 1M.

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And verrrrrrrry expensive ;_;

MNKs with merits, AF3+2 hands, and torque also break a tier with the earring... In Ragnarok prices have skyrocketed: 500k->500k->1M->1M->??? Tried to buy the last one, but couldn't buy it even for 1.3M. Probably at 1.5M, and I hope hope hope hope no one buys it and stabilizes at around 1M.

Edited, Sep 24th 2011 12:57pm by TaimMeich


On Phoenix it has only sold for 2mil so far, and i wouldn't be surprised to see the price go up. On the other hand if you never bought a Vellaunus Mantle now is the time to grab one. They don't sell very fast at all, and since the WoE changes the AH stock went from 1 to 9+ without a single one selling in almost a week. If that keeps up the price is going to plummet so fast, its a good thing for all the pups that don't have one yet, though it kind of makes me sad because it was one of my more expensive pieces.
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And verrrrrrrry expensive ;_;

MNKs with merits, AF3+2 hands, and torque also break a tier with the earring... In Ragnarok prices have skyrocketed: 500k->500k->1M->1M->??? Tried to buy the last one, but couldn't buy it even for 1.3M. Probably at 1.5M, and I hope hope hope hope no one buys it and stabilizes at around 1M.


MNK has a great new neck though, Calcitrant Stole - ATK+9 and Kick damage +5. Plus, Rancor Collar is still excellent offensively (though a defensive liability). Going back to Faith would be a loss in that slot.

Indeed though, Phoenix the Bruiser's earring is sitting at 2mil so far. I'll wait it out with my Brutal/Moonshade combo for now and see how it goes. If it stays super expensive, I'll probably invest... but I wanna see what happens. The saving grace is that a LOT of bandwagon MNKs don't really understand how H2H damage tiers work, so they may not realize the true value.
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Obviously PUP differs in H2H skill, but interesting link to Kinematics' numbers for MNK.

Bruiser is never an ideal neck+earring combination. And in fact, on earring alone the only scenario where Bruiser is the second best TP earring (obviously behind Brutal), is in combination with Faith Torque - and even then, it would be better to use a different neck/earring combo.

So at a minimum, MNKs who have access to the other gear and understand this math should mean less AH competition if you're after Bruiser's.

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Obviously PUP differs in H2H skill, but interesting link to Kinematics' numbers for MNK.

Bruiser is never an ideal neck+earring combination. And in fact, on earring alone the only scenario where Bruiser is the second best TP earring (obviously behind Brutal), is in combination with Faith Torque - and even then, it would be better to use a different neck/earring combo.

So at a minimum, MNKs who have access to the other gear and understand this math should mean less AH competition if you're after Bruiser's.

sadly, there are about as many of those mnks as there are pups at all.
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Anza, how is bruiser earring, and faith the only acceptable time for bruiser to be useful for pup? With cappello you would break a DMG tier with either faith, or bruiser. Unless you were talking about mnk and not pup.
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Anza, how is bruiser earring, and faith the only acceptable time for bruiser to be useful for pup? With cappello you would break a DMG tier with either faith, or bruiser. Unless you were talking about mnk and not pup.


Sorry, I was indeed referring just to MNK there and I may not have been clear enough. The point was that Bruiser's isn't part of an optimal TP set for MNK (and for Bruiser to break a DMG tier for 95MNK, you also need to use Faith), so if MNKs figure that out PUPs might have less competition for the earring.

I'm still not quite sure whether Bruiser or Moonshade (regain) is best for PUP, but at 95 Bruiser is clearly easier to make best use of for PUP since it will break a DMG tier on its own when used with Cirque+2 hat (which is ideal TP gear anyway), whereas MNK has to use Tantra+2 hands AND Faith Torque in order for Bruiser to give DMG increase.


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Thanks Anza for clearing that up, I was a bit questioning :p. On a related note, I love the look of bruiser, people ask why I'm still using spike... And then I tell them, look again.
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And verrrrrrrry expensive ;_;

MNKs with merits, AF3+2 hands, and torque also break a tier with the earring... In Ragnarok prices have skyrocketed: 500k->500k->1M->1M->??? Tried to buy the last one, but couldn't buy it even for 1.3M. Probably at 1.5M, and I hope hope hope hope no one buys it and stabilizes at around 1M.

Edited, Sep 24th 2011 12:57pm by TaimMeich


On Phoenix it has only sold for 2mil so far, and i wouldn't be surprised to see the price go up. On the other hand if you never bought a Vellaunus Mantle now is the time to grab one. They don't sell very fast at all, and since the WoE changes the AH stock went from 1 to 9+ without a single one selling in almost a week. If that keeps up the price is going to plummet so fast, its a good thing for all the pups that don't have one yet, though it kind of makes me sad because it was one of my more expensive pieces.


Lol, just a random update about supply vs demand. On phoenix Vellaunus mantle has dropped from 700k to 50-60k, after not selling one for a week 6 have sold today for 50-80k with 17 still left on the ah. Wont be surprised if they start selling for 10k soon; glad its still a good piece though, because after paying 700k for something and then having to resell it for 10k would make me sad inside.

I do have to say that i have always loved the AH in this game and how it fluctuates, i try to do my best at making money from said fluctuations but i guess you can't always win.

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DMG: 40 Delay: 176
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Lv93 WAR THF PLD DRK BRD RNG SAM NIN DRG COR PUP DNC

Also was wondering what people think about this knife? I figure for 200k it would be worth it for dagger skill ups, but it it seems that the haste effect lasts for 3 minutes and stays when you switch weapons. Potentially, depending on the haste amount would it be worthwhile to switch out with a macro after you ws to this dagger, proc haste then switch back to a h2h, or would that just decrease your DoT so much in the time it takes to proc haste that it would completely nullify any extra damage added by the haste?

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And verrrrrrrry expensive ;_;

MNKs with merits, AF3+2 hands, and torque also break a tier with the earring... In Ragnarok prices have skyrocketed: 500k->500k->1M->1M->??? Tried to buy the last one, but couldn't buy it even for 1.3M. Probably at 1.5M, and I hope hope hope hope no one buys it and stabilizes at around 1M.

Edited, Sep 24th 2011 12:57pm by TaimMeich


On Phoenix it has only sold for 2mil so far, and i wouldn't be surprised to see the price go up. On the other hand if you never bought a Vellaunus Mantle now is the time to grab one. They don't sell very fast at all, and since the WoE changes the AH stock went from 1 to 9+ without a single one selling in almost a week. If that keeps up the price is going to plummet so fast, its a good thing for all the pups that don't have one yet, though it kind of makes me sad because it was one of my more expensive pieces.


Lol, just a random update about supply vs demand. On phoenix Vellaunus mantle has dropped from 700k to 50-60k, after not selling one for a week 6 have sold today for 50-80k with 17 still left on the ah. Wont be surprised if they start selling for 10k soon; glad its still a good piece though, because after paying 700k for something and then having to resell it for 10k would make me sad inside.

I do have to say that i have always loved the AH in this game and how it fluctuates, i try to do my best at making money from said fluctuations but i guess you can't always win.

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Also was wondering what people think about this knife? I figure for 200k it would be worth it for dagger skill ups, but it it seems that the haste effect lasts for 3 minutes and stays when you switch weapons. Potentially, depending on the haste amount would it be worthwhile to switch out with a macro after you ws to this dagger, proc haste then switch back to a h2h, or would that just decrease your DoT so much in the time it takes to proc haste that it would completely nullify any extra damage added by the haste?

Fantus

Edited, Sep 26th 2011 8:29pm by Fantus


i payed almost 2 millions for it, (on phoenix too) go me.
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And verrrrrrrry expensive ;_;

MNKs with merits, AF3+2 hands, and torque also break a tier with the earring... In Ragnarok prices have skyrocketed: 500k->500k->1M->1M->??? Tried to buy the last one, but couldn't buy it even for 1.3M. Probably at 1.5M, and I hope hope hope hope no one buys it and stabilizes at around 1M.

Edited, Sep 24th 2011 12:57pm by TaimMeich


On Phoenix it has only sold for 2mil so far, and i wouldn't be surprised to see the price go up. On the other hand if you never bought a Vellaunus Mantle now is the time to grab one. They don't sell very fast at all, and since the WoE changes the AH stock went from 1 to 9+ without a single one selling in almost a week. If that keeps up the price is going to plummet so fast, its a good thing for all the pups that don't have one yet, though it kind of makes me sad because it was one of my more expensive pieces.


Lol, just a random update about supply vs demand. On phoenix Vellaunus mantle has dropped from 700k to 50-60k, after not selling one for a week 6 have sold today for 50-80k with 17 still left on the ah. Wont be surprised if they start selling for 10k soon; glad its still a good piece though, because after paying 700k for something and then having to resell it for 10k would make me sad inside.

I do have to say that i have always loved the AH in this game and how it fluctuates, i try to do my best at making money from said fluctuations but i guess you can't always win.

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DMG: 40 Delay: 176
Enhances "Resist Slow" effect
Additional effect: Haste
Lv93 WAR THF PLD DRK BRD RNG SAM NIN DRG COR PUP DNC

Also was wondering what people think about this knife? I figure for 200k it would be worth it for dagger skill ups, but it it seems that the haste effect lasts for 3 minutes and stays when you switch weapons. Potentially, depending on the haste amount would it be worthwhile to switch out with a macro after you ws to this dagger, proc haste then switch back to a h2h, or would that just decrease your DoT so much in the time it takes to proc haste that it would completely nullify any extra damage added by the haste?

Fantus

Edited, Sep 26th 2011 8:29pm by Fantus

In situations where you would use it, I can't see it hurting your DoT, since the situations where you would use it are ones where you're not getting haste cast on you, so assuming it's a decent amount of haste, and the proc rate is good (ie: if it takes you more than 3 minutes to get your haste proc you're wasting your time), it'd be handy. Of course, if it's not identical to the haste spell in potency (not unlikely), that may change its usefulness. Essentially, the less haste it gives, the less time you can use to proc haste with it before you start to hurt your damage and conversely, the more haste it gives, the longer you have. However, the haste you have -before- the dagger proc also weighs in; the more it benefits your damage (the higher your haste initially), the longer you have to proc it. I'm not gonna bother crunching the numbers for how much haste you would need to negate what amount of loss, since it'll be easier to just wait for someone to give the exact haste % it gives. The easiest test for pup would be subbing whm, having it proc and not having any haste/fast cast gear, then casting reraise and seeing what your recast is. /whm is easier than /sch since /sch you have to account for light arts' fast cast and that'll skew the numbers a bit.
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The Vellanus Mantle being so cheap now is really freaking sweet. Picked one up for 40k then went to WoE to do Conflux 7 and immediately got another one. Now All PUPs can get an awesome back piece, no excuse.
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The Vellanus Mantle being so cheap now is really freaking sweet. Picked one up for 40k then went to WoE to do Conflux 7 and immediately got another one. Now All PUPs can get an awesome back piece, no excuse.


rubb some more salit in the wound would ya D:

but still its good to hear that finally the horrible back piece selection for pup is quite over.
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The Vellanus Mantle being so cheap now is really freaking sweet. Picked one up for 40k then went to WoE to do Conflux 7 and immediately got another one. Now All PUPs can get an awesome back piece, no excuse.


It's also easy to farm your own Pantin Cape solo now, so you should get that too for use with VE/SS frames. Use Vellaunus when you're using a mage frame, or for WS (if you aren't using something like Cavaros in Abyssea). But yeah, indeed the days of PUP having subpar back options are over!

I feel kinda dumb buying Vellaunus for 650k only a month or so ago... I've barely even touched PUP in that time, so I threw gil away. Oh well, at least PUP has easily accessible good stuff now.
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I've lost almost 3M thanks to WoE, if that comforts anyone ;_;

Bought a Karagoz for 1.7M long time ago, then a few months ago bought my Vellaunus' for 1.2M... It's a good thing that I don't invest on anything in RL Smiley: lol
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I've lost almost 3M thanks to WoE, if that comforts anyone ;_;

Bought a Karagoz for 1.7M long time ago, then a few months ago bought my Vellaunus' for 1.2M... It's a good thing that I don't invest on anything in RL Smiley: lol

Tell me about it. On the bright side, I was able to sell my Karagoz back in June for a loss of only 400k. I took Anza's advice and sold while I still could ^^
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I was stubborn and didn't sell it, but now I'm happy I didn't. I could have had only 400k back, and in WoE Sancho doesn't have capped acc against the bosses, so it works for me.

Valoredge automaton and a good pet build does wonders there, btw. Not super-spectacular exp, but better than nuking with spiritreaver.
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If you want quick XP in WoE, then use the Sharpshot, and charge prior to entering using the Burts. If you do it while the flux is recharging, you can enter with 100 TP at least on both your char and the auto. I did conflux 7 that way when there was a lot of people. Run in, Armor Shatterer then Tact Switch for another shatterer. That should get you some points really quick.
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