Endgame magianFollow

All right, the 2 you absolutely need are fire path and ice path claws. Fire seems tough but abyssea made those trials easier. And ice can be done in less than 10 hours of time. The only circumstance where you shouldn't build fire path is of you have an empy or mythic. You shouldn't have a problem with Macc if you have capped skill, even without tranq. If you want to get a bit of Macc just to fill yourself out, put the mab+7 Macc +7 augment on your mirke.

Fantus I am sorry to tell you this, but revs don't even compare to fire paths. You are missing pummel which is a large problem but will make revs win til you get it. and without the aftermath of vere they won't hold a candle dps wise to fire paths, you may spike a bit higher with smite but you are also missing any sort of stat bonus from your weapon.

We agreed, if you read my post I said if you were missing pummel revs would win.

For my play style it is much easier to get the rev fists because i can pretty much solo the entire way on my own time and don't have to rely on others. From everything i have heard it would take at least a month to get from nyzul 1-100. I have also heard some pretty nasty things about the firepath, where as in only a few days i am already to the VNM part of the rev fists which shouldn't take to long, and then i only have to worry about getting 30 coins of advancement, so hopefully by the end of the week i can have V. Smite.

I still plan on getting SP eventually, i just need to find a group of people that can find a time that matches everyone's schedule, which has proven extremely difficult, primarily because of me; i'm married with an 8 month old boy. If i can manage to get the rev fists as well that will be an extreme boost to damage to whatever i am doing, and will help when i start working up to nyzul. I might even wait till nyzul 2.0 comes out and see if they make it easier to go 1-100, and if not it will be more popular because people will want to get to the new content.

ATM i'm not that much of an elitist because i really don't have the time to be, i still have yet to finish my +1 gear, let alone have any +2 items, so boosting my weapon will help me work on those things. I remember reading somewhere that v-smite works really well in abyssea, and is only 3-4% less dmg than SP? I also primarily use SS, so VS to AS will definitely help in getting the rest of the seals i need/soloing seals for other jobs and getting the +2's i need.

Thanks for the info though, i still want to get SP, just wanted to finish a better weapon than the ice-path's i have been full timing in, in as short a time as possible.

Last thing, what is the best way to get coin's of advancement? I read that conflux 2 has the best drops but was told not many people do it? Someone suggested just doing flux 7 over and over again, would that work? What strategies do people have doing the best in WoE?

Thanks alot for everything,
Fantus

As i said i am a pretty casual player. So if i did it, it would have to be with my current LS, and from talking about it with the people there we would only be able to do it once a week; and even finding a time for that is pretty difficult. If we do go once a week and have 4 tags, that would be 20-40 floors a run? I'm just going on what other people have told me, but most i have talked to say it takes a month to a month and a half to finish, they are probably talking about if you do it once a week though.

Thanks, Fantus

Nyzul: Supposing you play it very conservative and exit after each 5 floor block to save progress, you will very rarely lose (if ever). Just meeting one time a week for 4 runs per week, you're looking at 5 sessions to go from 1-100. Maybe one extra time to account for exceptional bad luck (d/c, freakishly bad floors), or fools who refuse to listen on lamps floors. Remember that Nyzul was balanced for level 75 players, and we have 20 extra levels now. It's a cakewalk.

Fire Path:


That pretty much sums up my feelings too. It's honestly not as bad as it looks, and I'd totally advise just jumping in and doing it instead of wasting time worrying about it.

It's a worse path than some magian weapons, sure, but nothing actually difficult. Just a little time consuming. Even the most obnoxious trial (Wamoura) can be handled by slaughtering Wamouracampa in Abyssea-Attohwa for a couple firedays. If you're lucky, you'll be in a season where fire weather actually happens in places like Ifrit's Cauldron. If not (like when I did it), it's still not that bad as long as you put a little effort into being ready for fireday.

I'm a casual player as well, so I completely understand where you're coming from, Fantus.

Back when Aht Urgan was newer... I had a set I did CoP with once a week on Monday evenings. When we finished CoP, we did All 50 assaults over time. After that, we did Nyzul 1-100 and some farming. The climb wasn't bad really. Like 2 hours once a week, for several weeks. You could do it in as little as 3 weeks if you are very lucky, or perhaps five weeks if not. You can take breaks if you want to also. The tags just stockpile until you're ready to do it again.

If I did it now, strictly climbing... If I had 6 people (or maybe even five) I'd always try for ten, but I'd be mindful of the time. Remember that for example exiting after 7 floors is the same as exiting after 5. You just have to be careful you give yourself enough time. If you finish a fifth floor and still have ~15 minutes left you can always go further. Level 95 DD jobs will rip through that place in no time. Just make sure you get down a good system for lamps.

Also don't bring that job into a situation and claim you are top tier at it if it's a 6th priority. You can wah about skill all you want, but to be a great pup you do need equipment as well as skill. And EASY solo able equip at that. If you take this job seriously, please at least consider these options us fellow PUPs have put forward

Ps Anza I rate you up too because what you say both pertains to the matter as well as isnt subjective or biast. People have been nuke happy if they don't see what they like and I'd hate to see you lose status because of people that disagree with simple fact that you put in the best way.

Edited, Oct 18th 2011 8:45pm by Camwin

Outside abyssea I gotta say I rarely use my mage bot for nukes anymore.

Might because in voidwatch i dont even bother with attachments, sense half the time its "sharpshot ws" so you gotta drop enough attachments to switch the frame over (or use sub par attachmetns). Like last night, was using SS, and it asked for a harle/storm WS, so had to remove all attachments, dusty wing, tactical switch 3x to get the right one.

I will say, deploy is amazing for voidwatch, sense it is a JA that targets the NPC i just deploy/recall to give people clues without engaging. +3 tp regain and tacitical switch -> armor shatter -> Deactivate -> activate... boom non stop 3k ws and clues about triggers.

It took me a while, due to the same reasons as you, but I finished fire claws after 2 months. As every Vana'diel days lasts about 57 mins, eventually, if you play around the same time, there will be a couple of days where firesday will be around the same time minus around 30 mins, if I remember right.

I need to start my Nyzul climb too, as I sorely miss a good WS to use. Doesn't seem like I'll be able to get Stringing Pummel anytime soon, so while I wait for friends to come on, and try to coersce them to do Nyzul with me (supposed to start next week) I've started the annoying (but doable) lottery pop NMs for Vere/Revenant.

I will probably end up getting into WoE solo and pray for coins to drop for me, and eventually might also get enough to get Revenant Fists +2, but 1 last lottery NM and 3 VNMs are before me first ~_~

Unless you get lucky on getting a Burts drop (I haven't),I'd stick with Ice claws for now, but take the opportunity when you can to continue the fire claws. I can't say the dmg increase is THAT big due to str and attack, but it shows enough to be worth them. I never tried parsing, but I might try to parse one day and see the difference. Maybe someone in here more adept (and less lazy) has already done it, and could chime in?

Edited, Nov 1st 2011 3:44pm by Rumiko

Did a lot lately. Pup to 95, nin to 49, full af3+1 for pup, finished max hp merits, 6/8 str merits, puppet magic skill to 410/411, and completed the pet magic attack +3 h2h.

After some thought, I finally decided to just buckle down and work on fire fangs. The thing I walked away with was that you never know what you'll run into while working on them. You might be alone and only get 30 kills in an hour, or you might be in a buffalo party and get 130 kills in an hour.

Next up will be Helter-Skelter spamming. I'm really almost done with these things. Once I finish the fire fangs and str merits I'll start to work on Nyzul and +2's.

Sigh you are one of those people? Nothing worse then being the only non afk person at a trial actually killing for 7+ afk people.

Either way yes, WoE is the hard part, and 1 week seems very fast to me. I tried to help a friend and it was 2 weeks of 3 - 4 runs a night.

I have to say the one real advantage of the WoE weapon (seems to me) is that you are really working on 5 weapons at once. I am working on WoE just to get coins so that I can make a few decent weapons. They won't all be fantastic but it will give me a few more options for solid weapons that will do for most things.

Even the staff would be fun to have and play with.