Pantin +2 set statsFollow

Pantin Taj +2:
can't get a clean translation

Pantin Tobe +2:
HP +21 Accuracy +15 Attack +15
Automaton: Store TP +10 Accuracy +15

Pantin Dastanas +2:
Haste +4% 23 DEX +5 CHR +5
Automaton: Haste +4% Subtle Blow +5

Pantin Churidars +2:
STR +4 VIT +4 Accuracy +9
Automaton: enhances "Fast Cast" effect, Magic Accuracy +9

Pantin Babouches +2:
HP +31 INT +5 MND +5
Automaton: Magic Attack +5 Magic Accuracy +7

Cirque Guanti +2 are still better for master TP, pantin are better if you're using valoredge/sharpshot.

I wasn't planning on using it for a traditional tp set up. I was considering uppsing my evasion eslewhere to use panti body on my eva set for subtle blow. And I was kind of hoping the +2 would give more or even other stats to justify using it as an eva piece. as it stands now, It's completely lost for everything but the pet stats. I appreciate I should of been more clear in my post, I guess I was kind of assuming since I was talking about subtle blow people would assume I would be talking about situations where you want subtle blow. Guess i just made an ass of myself.

Also correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure after a certain amount of magic skill it stops adding significant amounts to your damage and all you really get out of it is accuracy?

Personally I prefer to see Evasion +15 subtle blow +10 or 15 instead of attack +15 on this piece. Cause as it's stands now it's really a weaponskill body with stats easily beaten by sh*t even back at level 75. Shik and usukane come to mind. Hell I think even aurore could beat it.

Eh, tbh we don't really need another evasion body. Evasion's fairly easy to cap now vs most sh*t, and anything we can't cap evasion on easily, we probably won't be tanking anyway. One of the big reasons I'll never get rid of my Aurore body is that it's a solid evasion piece while still being a perfectly acceptable DD piece. Does it beat most sh*t? no. Is it better than wearing a body with no redeeming stats but evasion? By a long shot.

For evasion, I have Capped Evasion skill/merits (378 at 95), Evasion Bonus IV (Eva+48), EVA path Taipans (EVA+25 at +3, accounting for the AGI), Aurore Body (Eva+12), Aurore Gaiters (Eva+5), for a total of +90 evasion before base AGI and AGI from other gear, in 3 slots. If I'm feeling iffy I'll throw on my heed ring and/or my ohat to be safe, but honestly losing any more damage to make sure I hit 80% dodge rate is fairly pointless when I can hit +90 w/o changing my TP gear at all (Koios and the quest for body seals in altep both hate me)

Now capping subtle blow on pup? That's a different beast entirely, to the point that I've basically given up and just use my monk if it's that important (My mnk caps subtle blow in my TP gear, with 1 change; torero torque in my neck slot)


yummm

Edited, Nov 19th 2011 4:56pm by Jinte

o and LoL at how useless the test server is to non JP people. Thanks for telling us to test it square then not giving us any thing to test, because the dats a re all blank, The moogles still speak JP so good luck on finding the quests, and they wait 4 days after a patch to even tell us what was changed, if they tell us at all.

Overall the test server is pretty epic-failing for non JP people.

So basically the Relic +2 for PUP is just more situational swaps?

Cause unless i'm just missing something big, that stuff isn't blowing up my shirt so to speak. I mean the i can see the head and hands seeing time outside of my moghouse occasionally, but that's about it. My Empy +2 is still looking to be my go-to.

Why would you be using empyreon hands over relic+0 hands anyways? Unless your often in situations where you have your pet engaged out of range?

hey at least you get some pet haste on your relic... /shakes fist

Sorry late answering this.

At the bold-yes, when i get to be on PUP nowadays, normally i am solo or with one or two buddies and i will have soulsoother out.

honestly? I know you dont have a stellar reputation, but can you not figure it out?


+2: 6 str 5 dex 1% haste 6 store tp, pet +13 str/dex/agi, +2% chance to do double dmg if pet is at 100% hp
+0 relic: 3% pet haste

You cant reach the haste cap with 3% gloves without further gimping the +2 set bonus and forcing additional inferior gear into other slots (blitz ring or tiercel neck). So while your pet may be gaining 3% haste, you are losing far more than that on the master side so it doesn't come close to balancing out.


The situations where i would recomend using the relic gloves are with pet only. The loss to the master is too significant.

I would be more than happy to crunch the numbers for you when i get home if you would like though.

Ohhhkay guess we are gonna play it that way.

First off I would like to say I really want to know how your capping haste "Without using gimp gear in other slots" Cause last I check full Cirque +2 + twilight only gave 24%. So Unless there's a piece I don't know about(Which is distinctly possible) you will need the very pieces YOU listed to cap haste.(2% worth if you want to be anal about it)

So let's look at the other stats you listed. First off 4 dex not 5. 2 dex on relic. Secondly inside of abyssea str and dex are not even worth mentioning. Your easily going to be going in with at least 190 on both stats if you got the right abyssites RR and VV. Outside of abyssea they are just not enough to compete with pet haste. Dex won't be high enough to make a major impact on crit hits. Accuracy shouldn't be that huge of an issue. Str will make a difference in every hit but really 3% haste worth of a difference? The pet stats while nice don't compare to 3% haste when trying to tp. And the stp even with the standard rajas isn't enough to make it worth while. It's nice icing though. And we get to the meat of this piece and disagreement the set bonus.

Now while under the stipulation your pet is deployed in range, which is a stipulation I did make in my original post, unless your just exping I don't know what nm these days does not have some form of aoe. Not in my memory have gone against something that was at or above my level that checked impossible to gauge did it not hit my automaton in some shape, way, or form. My pet's hp is in a constant state of flux. And if I happen to be using sharp shot? Pff that dude gonna gain hate at some point no matter what the tank or what I do. I certainly can keep it from dieing but keeping it at full hp? Not gonna happen. So I rather keep my pet dps up which is far more consistent then my set bonus. But hey that's me, I respected everyone elses' opinion on the matter. Not everyone uses pup like I do and not everyone has my limited options in jobs.

You, sir, I think need to remember what a forum is. Yes a lovely collections of trolls, opinions, and needless pointless drama and fights, but still a forum. A free exchange of ideas and opinions. Sometimes mine are right, sometimes they are wrong. That's why I come to forums. To broaden my view on any given subject so I can more competently make the right decision.(And of course entertainment) However, to bring reputation into such a minor disagreement as this, especially anyone reputation on a forum? Please. So stop /jobemote pupping me and go blow steam up someone else's ass.

SS pet
Base
400 dly pet -> 1 atk every 6.66seconds 9.00 atks / min

With coiler + turbo charger+ wind maneuver
15% haste (1 wind maneuver) ->341.4 dly -> 5.69 s dly -> 10.9 atks/min
+/- 3% haste (gloves) -> 329.4 dly-> 5.49s dly -> 11.25 atks / min



Master:
No bard/whm/no da/ta etc
25% haste - 285.75 dly – 4.76 dly – 12.6 rounds (25.2 attacks)
3% kick 3% triple 18% DA (epona ring, +2 cirque head, twilight belt, warrior sub) -> 32 atks/min

Bard/whm /25% gear
134.68 dly -2.24 s dly – 26.8 rounds (53.57 attacks)
3% kick 3% triple 18% DA (epona ring, +2 cirque head, twilight belt, warrior sub) -> 68 atks/min


So in either high/low haste situations you are gaining 1 atk a min on a pet (roughly 200 dmg) in exchange for losing str/dex/store tp/5% crit rate and 2% set bonus.

At 32 atks per min, the 5% crit rate alone more than makes up for the 1 extra hit your pet would be getting. Add in str, store tp, dex, and weapon skills and its no contest.

So you are 'rereading' what exactly?

Because you obviouslly didnt even read either of my posts for a first time...




Here I clearlly state 'without further gimping', implying myself am already not full +2...which i have said 2 times so far and you have read it 0 times....


then my second post


So yes based on my own conditions I AM capped on haste. If I gave up gloves i would lose a 2nd piece of +2 (FURTHER GIMPING) in addition to needing other slots to use inferior gear to reach the cap. Someone helpe me out cause I dont know how to make it more clear for someone who is trolling without reading my posts at all...


If you would like i can go back to my previous post (the 3rd one, another one of the ones you choose not to read) and add in abyssea stats to show you how even then the 1% haste for your pet doesnt make up for the loss in stats for the master, but at this point its so obvious you arent even reading I feel its worthless.

You also reference boss mobs in abyssea all having AE, as if it matters. Last I checked, you dont even deploy a pet till all relevant triggers are hit and even then on anything that matters you dont send in the pup/his pet because you dont want to tp feed. Everything else is 1 groupable and has irrelevant ae that a single repair oil can heal through and keep your pet at full hp for the 30 seconds you burn it before it dies. The only time any of this matters is on exp mobs or for burn parties/burn fights where you need the absolute best to kill it as fast as possible.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2011 11:36am by dustinfoley

Edited, Nov 24th 2011 3:19am by Jinte

I've done my job, then.