ITT: Sharpshot Damage Values are ObnoxiousFollow

You're awesome, Jinte, thanks a lot! I'm eagerly waiting for the final conclusions.

STR definitely has no impact on ranged damage outside of fSTR3 (fSTR = melee fSTR, fSTR2 = ranged fSTR, sharpshot's fSTR behaves differently than both, thus fSTR3) and ranged attack (ignoring actual WS), and it also seems that I may be a bit off with my "fDEX" theory. Basically, it's looking like ranged attacks calculate as non-crit ranged ws, with a moderate~significant dex mod. AGI does not impact ranged damage in anyway aside from ranged acc. Now that I've gotten the skill-> damage component figured out; (((skill-5)/9)*3); I can start working on using lower levels and differing str/dex values to figure out str/dex exactly.

The most interesting thing I've pulled from this so far, is that at 99, given the current real lack of need for magic skill merits, since they don't give us any new spells, for people who use sharpshot with any regularity, ranged skill merits look like they'll be more beneficial, since +20 skill gives weapon damage +9 from the 99 skill cap (+18 does not give +9, only +6, and +19 would not, if it were possible to achieve that amount).

edit: also, random info for kenkonken, from byrth;
kenkonken's martial arts does affect TP/hit, it just didn't look like it at 75 because of our base delay and the level 75 value giving the same TP hit as it would w/o the 75 value;
Kenkonken (75): Enhances "Martial Arts" effect: Delay -20
Kenkonken (80): Enhances "Martial Arts" effect II: Delay -30
Kenkonken (85): Enhances "Martial Arts" effect III: Delay -40
Kenkonken (90): Enhances "Martial Arts" effect IV: Delay -45
Kenkonken (95): Enhances "Martial Arts" effect IV: Delay -45
Probable values:
Kenkonken (99): Enhances "Martial Arts" effect V: Delay -49 or -50
-50 fits the pattern, but -49 seems more likely, because it gives KKK exactly +0 delay, and doesn't give them negative delay

Also, I've done a little playing around with the overload effect; in the 16 hours I spent testing yesterday, I was literally spamming thunder maneuvers and fire maneuvers almost the entire time, and didn't overload once. After I finished, I sat down and spammed wind maneuvers every 10 seconds until I finally overloaded, at 15 maneuvers (this is using sharpshot, without AF3+2 body, af hands, or buffoon's collar (I had heatsink on because I was to tired/lazy to take it off, but it's the same value as af hands/buffoon's collar individually, so using sharpshot and guaranteeing that I would have less AGI the entire way through basically negated it)). Without Statustimer, I can't be certain, but the overload lasted somewhere between 45~60 seconds, which for a 15 maneuver overload is outrageously short . I can't do any real definitive testing with them yet, but I would make a ballpark guesstimate that they either A: increase the burden threshold by a huge amount, or B: act something like a combination of condenser and cooldown, negating the initial overload and reducing total burden by ~1/2, but still allowing overload after a certain point, likely when accumulated burden is halved but still high enough to allow overload to proc.

Edited, Dec 28th 2011 12:59pm by Jinte

honestly, you may still want AF hands just for the extra +1 stat on maneuvers. Given that capping our pet's fSTR on Wild Rabbits in Ronfaure is difficult (~102 str needed vs 1 vit), any extra +stat we can get helps

Indeed, 320+49 delay with KKK, -45 -10 from pants -10 from collar puts us at 304 delay. The only lowest delay possible is a MNK with a 0 delay weapon lol.


Also, d'oh on not remembering the +stats from AF1 hands >_<

So i got 95 KKK on test, i take it there is no way to get 99 to test it?

With the stipulation that you need a 95 mythic vs any generic monk with a h2h weapon.


The reason I asked about KKK on test is Markov (pchan) on OF seems to think we have 350 dly at 99 and I tested myself and got 4.8 tp per hit (which is 320 dly), with kkk giving -45 MA dly. He claims its not -45, and that the -dly doesn't affect tp gain (which i tested last night and it does)

Just a big helping of fail. Im not familiar with the BG community, but he seems to be a pretty epic troll or just really terrible at testing.



Edited, Dec 29th 2011 12:56pm by dustinfoley

not yet, no.



pchan is a @#%^ing moron (he makes xiozen look like a credible source of game data), so you can pretty much disregard anything he says as inane dribble. He does have some basis in his believe that KKK don't affect TP/hit, because at 75, they didn't. Not because of some special effect, but because 409 (360+49) and 389 (360+39) delay have the same TP return, so that KKK do affect TP/hit wasn't apparent at 75. But now Byrth, myself, and you have all confirmed that they do affect TP/hit, so that mythic-myth is officially debunked.



It's already pretty well known that the only way pup can be competitive in zerg fights is if they have KKK and don't use maneuvers at all. This just puts some more concrete numbers behind that to confirm what parses have shown. Even Verethragna pups have issues keeping up. The one thing that allows KKK to be competitive is the huge delay increase, though quasi-OA3 (first hit only) doesn't hurt.