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#1 Jan 09 2013 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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Long time THF, leveling up DNC since I have no pocket WHM to solo things and DNC seems more capable at soloing parts of Twashtar than THF. I was wondering when are good times to utilize the 2nd tier of flourishes? (Other than reverse flourish which I understand and get). Are the other ones to be used on a regular basis? Just for spikes when needed? Or only when I utilize certain ws's?

And I assume I am to spam evisceration (this is still quite weird to me, I come from the THF era when it was DE unless you had Mandau as evisceration was silly and weak in comparison) until I decide to unlock the merit ws.

And if I'm getting Twashtar, what are my top offhand choices? Kinda sucks that I can't share as many daggers as I'd like between the jobs.
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#2 Jan 09 2013 at 11:47 PM Rating: Excellent
I pretty much never bother using the other tier 2 Flourishes. In fact I rarely even bother with Reverse. If I'm doing anything Thf/Dnc, the majority of my Finishing Moves are going to be going towards Violent Flourish and, in case I need to claim quickly or pull hate off someone else, Animated Flourish.
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#3 Jan 10 2013 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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* Building Flourish isn't very useful anywhere.
* Wild Flourish can be useful in two situations:
1) You're fighting a mid-tier monster and do not have the FMs to self-skillchain with Reverse, but the monster isn't going to live long enough for you to get the FMs.
2) You're fighting a monster that you can one-shot with Wild -> WS but WS -> Reverse -> WS would be major overkill
I find I mostly use it in case 2 situations.

Inside Abyssea, you will want to use the Razed Ruins atma and spam Evisceration
Outside Abyssea, you will want to make an AGI WS set and use Exenterator
If you get the chance, unlock Pyrrhic Kleos so you can make self-darkness with Reverse and Evisceration (assuming you haven't yet.)

Realistically, Rudra's Storm isn't a very good unstacked WS, so Twashtar isn't really *that* good of a dagger even at level 90. You might be better dual wielding STR/Atk magians than going Twastar (90)/STR Dagger.

Here is how dancer daggers shake out at the moment-
Aluh Jambiya - Great buyable weapon for the main hand (or offhand). This is approximately equivalent to a STR dagger and is cheaper/much faster to make.
STR/Atk Magian - Great weapon. 11 STR and 22 Attack
Oynos Knife - Great offhand for when you don't have a mage Hasting you.
Pugiunculus - I doubt you have to worry about this one because it's a rare drop off a Legion monster, but it is probably the only offhand competitive with STR/Atk magians
AGI/Eva Magian - I have 99 Mythic / 99 Twashtar, and this dagger is still part of my collection just in case I'll be using a hybrid evasion set. It's such a huge amount of Evasion that it's the most efficient way to exchange DPS for Evasion.
Twashtar (99~90) - Good main-hand daggers. Offer a unique WS opportunity for DNC (aka a reason to use the Flourishes III category at all), but Rudra's isn't that impressive otherwise, but might be worth using for the double damage aftermath
Twashtar (80-85) - Really just not very good, but fortunately the 90 upgrade trial is pretty easy.
Coruscanti - It's about as good as a level 90 Twashtar and maybe better as an offhand. I do not recommend doing Qilin for this. ( http://www.ffxidb.com/voidwatch/178 )
Terpsichore (99) - Combinations main-handing Terpsichore typically come out with about 25% more damage than other combinations assuming you don't waste too much AM3 time.
Gusterion - Very interesting knife. I don't really know what to make of it.

If you have no pocket WHM, I'd main-hand Aluh Jambiya and offhand Oynos Knife.
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