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#127 May 11 2004 at 3:59 PM Rating: Default
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But I am being far too hopeful when I think that we should turn this thread into a discussion of how to improve the original post, instead of sniping at each other about the details.


that is what i was trying to do until someone said how meleeing is better than not meleeing. It's a matter of opinion as has been said.

as i've said in other threads i don't give a rats *** if you melee or not, we're not in a party as a melee. But we CAN melee, it's a bonus. And i treat it that way, i choose not to melee so i can focus 100% on my spells and keeping everything up. i dont care if i do 300 damage MB or play whack a mole for 14 damage a hit. In the end in a battle it'll only add up to 300-400 damage. that's like what? 2-3 rounds of regular melee hits from melee jobs(in a standard 3 melee / 3 mage party)

I choose to focus 100% on keeping debuffs on the mob, dispeling, hasting, refreshing. I dont care about my damage because in the end it's not alot. I personally find it distracting to melee. But if you CAN melee and not find it distracting then by all means do it. I choose to specialise and focus on 1 thing.. casting. Others choose to diversify and cast + fight. but don't ******* tell me that because i dont melee i'm less of a rdm than a meleeing rdm.
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#128 May 11 2004 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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but don't ******* tell me that because i dont melee i'm less of a rdm than a meleeing rdm.


I didn't say anything like that. Although I like to melee, I do not look down upon my non-melee brethren at all. I said that there are merits to melee and non-melee Red Mages. People need to play in the manner that best fits their style and what the party needs.

I have said it many times before; the goal of the Red Mage is to make a party run better than if he/she is not there. It does not matter how we do this; just that we do.

Edited, Tue May 11 17:16:59 2004 by Septy
#129 May 11 2004 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
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that comment was directed at earlier posts in the thread, sorry if you took it as directed to you ;)
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#130 May 11 2004 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Good god is this guide long and detailed!!!! I didn't have the hour of free time to read the whole thing(me is slow reader) but I read the first several paragraphs. GREAT JOB!!! This is absolutely the best class guide I've ever seen!!!

No if only you would lvl up the rest of the jobs and post guides on all of them. ^^
#131 May 11 2004 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't agree with the "melee every time" mindset. If you fight mobs with nasty AOE, meleeing is out of the question. The AOE does not have to one-shot you to be dangerous - it just has to...

1) Do a large amount of damage and be near impossible to Stun. Why make more work for yourself and the WHM?

2) Throw some dangerous or annoying status ailment, like Silence, Petrify, Virus, Paralyze, etc.

This is why I never melee Anticans or those dogs in the Eldieme necropolis, but I happily melee beetles, crabs and crawlers, among other things. Also, consider that every hit, as long as it does some damage, will give the monster tp with which to charge up a special attack. It won't stop me from meleeing, but it is something to consider.

Melee should be priority 3. Priority 1 is enfeeble and enhance. Priority 2 is heal/nuke.

Taru make the best RDMs for a party, but aren't as hot in solo. Their near 1-1 convert ratio is a big factor, as is their higher int. Hume and Mithra are a very close second, giving up some party power for solo power, but still remaining pretty **** good (I'm Hume). Given a choice between making a Taru and Hume/Mithra, I'd go with Hume/Mithra everytime, if only to avoid being a munchkin with low hp. Elvaan...are borderline until RSE. Galka are total trash.

A note on BLM subjob...Conserve MP is a very powerful ability, but is often looked over because it is subtle. I would prefer this ability over auto-refresh any day, because if you happen to save 20mp while casting, say, 4 spells...that's 20 ticks that auto-refresh has to tick through, to equal that mp savings. It is not uncommon to cast Refresh or Haste, and end up using only 20 - 30mp.

Other than that, I agree with everything else, including the 'smart' Refresh order.
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#132 May 11 2004 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Well there isn't much I can add that hasn't been said already...but ive found the the Redmage is based on the PARTY that is formed. A redmage can never be perfect because parties are never perfect, redmages adjust to make up for what the party lacks or needs. I play as the Undesireable Elvan Redmage but have no trouble finding parties at all.. As far as the MP, DEX and INT goes for Evlans, they only have 40-50 less MP and 6 INT as Humes with the same sub and armor, this is made up for with higher MIND and HP. Carrying around a few extra pieces of armor with you (as I do) when partying will quickly fix this.

As far as the origional post goes.. all I can say is that it has WAY too much information. Redmages have a hard job but anyone who needs that kind of a guide should play a PLD, to me it just looks like an ego trip.


Note: HP > MP conversion on my Body Armor in my profile dosent show for some reason, I need to send in for a correction.



Edited, Tue May 11 20:33:13 2004 by Pbwarhero
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#133 May 11 2004 at 7:29 PM Rating: Decent
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The reason most 60+ red mages just stand back and cast is because most are cowardly or haven't levelled their melee at all. They feel there is no point in melee combat because they can't land attacks ... which is due to the fact that they don't melee making it a viscious cycle. Further, many of them are too incompetent to swing and cast at the same time. I can easily forgive tarus for this, but when I see an elvaan red mage that does nothing but cast it makes me wince. You will see some of the best white mages also in melee combat during parts of the battle when they are healing and doing status fixes: they too know that free damage is always good ... though they aren't nearly as effective as a good red mage. It's all about using your abilities to the fullest, and not many are cut out for that.

This sort of totally incorrect and opinionated BS is EXACTLY why this thread should be unstickied.

You are just ONE person, who are you to say that this is the bible truth when 40-60% of redmages out there disagree with you?
#134 May 11 2004 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
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he never said it's the bible truth.. and people need to stop looking at it that way. So what he thinks melee + hume is the best.. he makes countless other points in the thread that make it WORTH being stickied.. yet you people dwell on the fact that he says hume rdm who melees is the best choice.. imho he coulda worded it different. But saying it doesnt deserve to be stickied is wrong imho, just because of all the other great info in it.. not to mention the actual good debate that has been going on for 100+ posts now about it. if people take the time to not only read the initial posts, but all the responses imho you would learn a TON of info about rdm.
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#135 May 11 2004 at 7:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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he never said it's the bible truth.. and people need to stop looking at it that way. So what he thinks melee + hume is the best.. he makes countless other points in the thread that make it WORTH being stickied.. yet you people dwell on the fact that he says hume rdm who melees is the best choice.. imho he coulda worded it different. But saying it doesnt deserve to be stickied is wrong imho, just because of all the other great info in it.. not to mention the actual good debate that has been going on for 100+ posts now about it. if people take the time to not only read the initial posts, but all the responses imho you would learn a TON of info about rdm.


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#136 May 11 2004 at 8:02 PM Rating: Decent
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#137 May 11 2004 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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You are just ONE person, who are you to say that this is the bible truth when 40-60% of redmages out there disagree with you?


I do hate sniping, but who are you to speak for 40-60% of RDM?
You think all JP RDM players past 60 don't melee, but I'll bet you money you haven't met and partied with anywhere near half of them to actually know the truth, and you can't discount every NA RDM above 60 either.
The problem with melee after 41 is not that it is bad, wrong, or that other party members don't want you to, it's that most people, as Smurv was so honest in admitting :), get distracted by melee and spell casting at the same time. As Dispel, Refresh, Hatse, back-up heals, and debuffs are necessary in nearly every battle it takes a very determined kind of person to also concentrate on keeping en- spells on and keeping the mob in range, not being in the way of fuidama, etc. Everyone has a different opinion on whether melee is necessary for a RDM or not, you can't really say it is or isn't because a RDM's job varies so much from party to party. You can be main healer, puller/trick partner, back-up tank, or your regular RDM jack-of-all trades. These different roles depend the amount and kind of melee and mages in the party with you. If there are 5 or 6 magic users, concentrating on melee might distarct you from who needs/already has refresh, etc. Even I myself stand on the back lines on an occassion such as that and I am very melee oriented. I think it is more beneficial to this post to stop arguing "best" and "most efficient" because each situation can change those definitions.
Airspirit has some good points, this topic was stickied to give people an idea, not to give them gospel. Yes it is biased, but that's obvious enough that I would think anyone intelligent could ignore the biased parts and realize these are just suggestions based off his experience that have worked well. I myself disagree with parts of it, yet I still appreciate his advice, and he has made me think about seriously changing some of my party habits and equipment, because it is good advice. If your feelings are hurt over someone's opinion on how to play a job in a game I think you have problems beyond whether or not RDM should melee :P
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#138 May 11 2004 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Airspirit has some good points, this topic was stickied to give people an idea, not to give them gospel. Yes it is biased, but that's obvious enough that I would think anyone intelligent could ignore the biased parts and realize these are just suggestions based off his experience that have worked well. I myself disagree with parts of it, yet I still appreciate his advice, and he has made me think about seriously changing some of my party habits and equipment, because it is good advice


exactly
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#139 May 11 2004 at 9:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Tue May 11 22:07:57 2004 by Pbwarhero
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#140 May 12 2004 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Put the melee issue to rest, guys. TP isn't the issue or you wouldn't have your paladin melee. AOE isn't the issue if your group is doing their job. Status ailments are the only true worry ... and even these aren't a big deal if your WHM is on his or her game (how much does silena cost again compared to the damage you can do?) ... curse and sleep are the only thing that keep me out of the front lines and only if it's not a weak sleep like mandras (it never lasts more than a couple seconds on me).

Seriously: the only reason people don't melee is because they don't know how, they don't want the added burden, they never levelled it in the first place, or they're afraid of dying. The last isn't a bad thing if it is well founded (frankly Smurv would be an idiot to melee dolls due to his HPs ... instant death, just as an example), but for some it is like WARs that don't provoke because they don't want to get hit.

Seriously, if you want to cast go for it ... but any way around the issue you will do more good for the team by adding your free damage to the pot. If you don't want to then I'm not going to say you're a terrible RDM since melee isn't the biggest part of our job. It never has been and it never will be ... the reason I focus on it however is because it is the most misunderstood part of our job. If you don't melee and find other ways to make up for it then more power to you. From my experience watching scores of red mages play, there is no substituting the free damage you will deal with any other measure since it detracts from heavy chaining or your other responsibilities. If you can't fulfill your primary duties which are to gimp the living crap out of a mob and keep your party standing because you are swinging a weapon (melee RDMs) then you are just as gimped as a RDM that thinks they're some sort of gimped BLM.

Agree, disagree, whatever. There are always going to be people that feel offended when someone gives a good example for them because they feel slighted or put down. I'm not trying to put anyone down here at all: I'm trying to give information on how we all can do the best we possibly can. I spent six hours inside of the Temple of Uggapileh today with a level 59 RDM teaching him how to properly solo things while trying to get him his drop for Hornetneedle. He went from a cowering back line red mage that couldn't stack protection to one that was comfortable letting a thief buddy of mine drop trick on him so he could tank properly. There were some ... mishaps? ... along the way, but in the end he came out with a very good understanding of some of the facets of our job that he was told never existed. He learned what weapons work on what and how and learned how to turn himself into an invincible god on the battlefield. He learned to combat cast and lost his fear of getting beat on ... all it took was realizing he was tanking EM mobs and taking no damage and that fear went away quickly. Adds didn't scare him anymore because he learned how to handle them with no danger while killing another mob simultaneously with his sword or dagger. These are lessons that all red mages need to learn but unfortunately I can't start an academy in Jeuno or expect many of you to listen .... The tenor of many of the replies here demonstrate that many don't care on bit about the topic and just want to cause hate and discontent for the **** of it.

You can disagree and say WHY you disagree, but saying "everybody does it" or "the JPs do it" or "I don't like you because ... " (see apologist's section) is just crap. Sheer utter crap. It's not an argument ... it is a way to try to salvage dignity for yourself. Saying "everyone says so" doesn't make something right. What is sad, though, is there is no reason that anyone should feel slighted: if you feel I'm wrong then prove it. If you can do better than I'm happy for you and would love to hear about it. I LIKE it when people tell me that I'm doing something wrong because it makes me a better player ... it's all about not taking things like they are personal attacks. This isn't high school here this is a board to help us develop ourselves and our peers. Please leave the juvinile crap at home.
#141 May 12 2004 at 1:14 AM Rating: Excellent
Even the man who got this thread stickied doesn't completely agree. It's one thing for a level 62 to say "Hey that's a good post." They have the experience to know which to agree to, adapt to, accept, and to cast aside. A level 41, or maybe higher, and definitely lower, will not be able to make those same distinctions. That is my only beef with this post. To a lower level RDM, it is hard to discern the difference.

Other than that I would like to commend the original poster on most of the content. I've said before it is a good post, but instead of bashing it I'll point out some very good things.
The spells, skills, equipment sections are all excellent. The role changing section is unprecedented, and very nicely done. I can tell that Airspirit has done his research and is probably a very good Redmage. No there is not a gun to my head.


Edited, Wed May 12 02:47:28 2004 by CrimsonMagician
#142 May 12 2004 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Most Elvaan RDM give up once they hit lv 50 ? total BS
I did a /sea all on all the RDM, let me tell you the result
from lv 50-60 11 hume 1 elvaan from lv 60-75 12 elvaan 7 hume
Dont tell me most elvaan RDM give up past lv 50 on YOUR server, because i am on fairy as well, so PLEASE stop making quotes based on your own "imagination"

giving up your AF body, more defense and +15 enfeebling for some melee armors....... this is such a joke
your job main job is debuff not meleee...hello, debuff please
you say some mobs are more likely to resist some debuff...um.. that is because you are HUME not elvaan, with my MND and my full AF i NEVER fail any debuff at "MY" level of IT, i have only fail on IT mobs thats about 2 levels above me, for example when i was fresh lv 60 when enfeebling still not yet cap, only time i have failed debuff "1/3" of time was partying with a group of lv 63 at onzozo fighting those big cats.

so please dont blame on "some mob resist more on some debuff" because your poor MND makes your debuff wont stick, Did i mention my sub is blm? if my sub is whm, i can make it even better

you say in other post that "most RDM you have seen" are play like this play like that.... i am lv 61, i "rarely" have 2 rdms in my party, how do you know how other RDM play? this is so weird, my friendlist is FULL of whm and blm friends and i know a LOT of people on fairy server, but i only know 1 rdm, why? b/c i dont party with other rdm....very simple. do you think a blm is gonna have more blm friends or more othere type of mage friends....

one last thing...you dont refresh blm, thanks to you i am making a **** lot of blm friends, all the blms love me b/c they say some rdms dont refresh them. when you chain the mobs, less time a blm med meaning more damage they can output and kill mobs faster. Mobs will aggro blm? not if you have a good tank.

Elvaan more MND makes paralyze slow dia II and silence stick better and longer
taru more INT makes gravity, sleep II, bio stick better and longer...
Hume...? melee better, please sub whm, put on your AF and all the +MND equipment then come talk about debuff with Elvaan

did i mention if you sub whm and i sub blm, our mp will be about the same? i get little more mp out of my sub and i have conserve MP that can save me some, with 2 electrium rings and full set of AF at lv 61 i have about 527mp..does hume really have a LOT more mp? if you have to use more mp to recast your debuff when they dont stick......think about it

Edited, Wed May 12 13:20:05 2004 by walaboom
#143 May 12 2004 at 12:27 PM Rating: Decent
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at lv 61 i have about 527mp


heh, at lvl 61 with an underleveled black mage sub i have 780 mp, w/o food. <3 taru.
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#144 May 12 2004 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
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Put the melee issue to rest, guys. TP isn't the issue or you wouldn't have your paladin melee.


TP is an issue with some people. The PLD has to melee for that extra bit of hate, and they do more melee damage than a RDM anyway. The idea is, people sometimes get uppity about having an extra person giving the monster tp in exchange for low damage hits. Most of the time, the pt doesn't care if the RDM melees appropriate mobs (although they DO care if the WHM or BLM runs in and starts clubbing away).

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AOE isn't the issue if your group is doing their job. Status ailments are the only true worry ... and even these aren't a big deal if your WHM is on his or her game (how much does silena cost again compared to the damage you can do?) ... curse and sleep are the only thing that keep me out of the front lines and only if it's not a weak sleep like mandras (it never lasts more than a couple seconds on me).


If the AOE is powerful enough, it would keep me from meleeing. I don't need to have to heal myself on top of healing everyone else. It depends on how much damage it does.

Also, the dog paralyze howl in Eldieme is extremely annoying. It kicks in so often that it can seriously hamper your ability to cast spells.

And you're assuming your WHM is on the ball, ready to silena you at the drop of a hat. I never take such risks in pickup parties.

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Seriously: the only reason people don't melee is because they don't know how, they don't want the added burden, they never levelled it in the first place, or they're afraid of dying. The last isn't a bad thing if it is well founded (frankly Smurv would be an idiot to melee dolls due to his HPs ... instant death, just as an example), but for some it is like WARs that don't provoke because they don't want to get hit.


If you're talking about RDMs who never ever melee, then you're probably right.

But it's one thing to melee all the time, and another to melee when it is appropriate. You're separating the RDM community into 'melee' and 'pansy backliners', when this is not the case.

Also consider the case when I prefer ballad 1 & 2 over the minimal benefits of meleeing. 6mp a tick is pretty sick mp regen.

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Seriously, if you want to cast go for it ... but any way around the issue you will do more good for the team by adding your free damage to the pot.


A RDM is still a mage with a sword, not a fighter with magic.

My problem with your stance on melee is not that it's totally verboten, it's just that melee on certain mobs is just not worth the extra bit of damage.

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If you don't want to then I'm not going to say you're a terrible RDM since melee isn't the biggest part of our job. It never has been and it never will be ... the reason I focus on it however is because it is the most misunderstood part of our job. If you don't melee and find other ways to make up for it then more power to you. From my experience watching scores of red mages play, there is no substituting the free damage you will deal with any other measure since it detracts from heavy chaining or your other responsibilities. If you can't fulfill your primary duties which are to gimp the living crap out of a mob and keep your party standing because you are swinging a weapon (melee RDMs) then you are just as gimped as a RDM that thinks they're some sort of gimped BLM.


Free damage, yes, but you HAVE to weigh the benefits of your melee damage vs the consequences of standing in the AOE of the mob. Bubble shower? That's no problem. Jamming wave? No way. High Freq. field? No problem. Howling? Yeah, right.

If you trust your WHM or BRD/WHM, then okay, he can get rid of your silence within moments of you receiving it. But if you are not so sure that he's watching your status ailments with hawk eyes, then the choice is obvious, which is to melee and struggle with status ailments or have to heal yourself on top of healing everyone else, or not melee and avoid all of that.
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#145 May 12 2004 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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heh, at lvl 61 with an underleveled black mage sub i have 780 mp, w/o food. <3 taru.


lol Smur i am comparing Elvaan with Hume not taru...@_@ you are the king of mp, /knee
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Wala, not only is your grammar atrocious, but you are mixing up at least two people's opinions in your post and debating them as if it everything was said from one person.

On my server the amount of 50-75 hume RDM is ovewhelming compared to any other race, and at any given time most 70-75 are hume or taru. There are more elvaan than mithra and obviously galka; no one ever said that -everyone- gave up elvaan, but it is true that either alot of them do, or alot of them never start based on statistical data from some people's servers, not unproven opinion. It has been repeated more than once that you are not being attacked for being an elvaan RDM and it's pointless to argue just because you're offended.

It's obviously silly to fully replace AF with cotehardie, but to switch between when you need the +enfeeble or when the extra mp would be more beneficial is quite short of being a "joke". One of the main and best parts of this topic is the discussion of switching equipment. This is somehting that I know alot of peple don't do or haven't even thought about.

And there are certains types of monsters that resist certain types of debuffs, no matter what your mnd and int are. I'm sorry but I don't belive that you only failed once against an IT mob in landing your debuffs; on beetles of nearly any kind past 45 a rdm/blm, whm/blm or blm/whm of any race using eleseal/paralyze won't stick three-fourths to half the time.

As for blm, no matter what tank you have a blm can build too much hate if they chain nuke and don't rest enough. That doesn't mean I don't refresh my blm often, but if you're going to argue a point do it with valid oppostion.

I don't know the MP of hume at my level, but I do know that I have had more MP than my hume friend for at least 8 levels, him being 6 higher then me; and at only 53 as a mithra, were I subbing blm, I would have as much mp as you do if not more. In fact I get less than 20 bonus MP for my sub DRK and I have 499.

As a RDM main without a WHM sub and/or expensive +MND equips your MND as an elvaan isn't going to be so overwhlemingy amazing as to make your debuffs stick every single time so your lack of MP is important to consider if you want to load up on +MND INT equips indtead of +MP equips.

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Most of the time, the pt doesn't care if the RDM melees appropriate mobs (although they DO care if the WHM or BLM runs in and starts clubbing away).

I don't think anyone is arguing about the validity of melee in a dangerous AoE environment, and it just so happens that most parties I'm in must be stupid compared to you because we think it's great for the whm and blm to get an opporunity to level their club skill. We aren't overly worried about the mobs' TP because it is rarely a serious issue. You are also forgetting, or perhaps discounting, mages who always melee mobs without AoE because they use Lilith's rod, or something similar with add effect MP drain.

Edited, Wed May 12 14:05:31 2004 by Halion
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At this moment on Fairy there is one 65 Galka RDM (soloing), 3 Elvaan RDMs (only one in the 70s), 11 Hume RDMs (the majority in the 60s), 1 Mithra RDM (Bazaar), and 3 Taru RDMs. This is from 60-75 at 1130 PST on a Wednesday.

Expanding this from 50-75:
Elvaan: 6
Galka: 1
Hume: 22
Mithra: 2
Taru: 4

Expanding this from 40-75:
Elvaan: 7
Galka: 1
Hume: 25
Mithra: 2
Taru: 6

Expanding this from 30-75:
Elvaan: 11
Galka: 1
Hume: 45
Mithra: 4
Taru: 10

Expanding this from 20-75:
Elvaan: 19
Galka: 1
Hume: 62
Mithra: 9
Taru: 20

Expanding from 1-75:
Elvaan: 36
Galka: 3
Hume: 88
Mithra: 19
Taru: 37

Lets analyze this further, shall we? A good way to statistically measure the effectiveness of a race is through turnover rates. People don't typically leave jobs they are good at unless there is a better option available (which is usually the case for Tarus).

% of race post 60:
Galka: 33%
Hume: 13%
Taru: 8%
Elvaan: 8%
Mithra: 5%

% of race post 50:
Galka: 33%
Hume: 25%
Elvaan: 17%
Mithra: 11%
Taru: 11%

% of race post 40:
Galka: 33%
Hume: 29%
Elvaan: 18%
Taru: 17%
Mithra: 11%

There are some tricks to this. There are so few galkas that the one 65 RDM that is out training WS in CN throws that number off. Otherwise you can find a pretty accurate depiction of turnover here if you read it closely.

I suspect you were just making things up when you made that post ... just like your fantasies about enfeeble resists. To put it plainly I just never get them. Ever. As for being an Elvaan the only two spells you get a bonus to are slow (rarely ever resisted), silence (I never have this resisted on IT+++) or paralyze. Every other spell is INT based which an Elvaan RDM is woefully delinquent in. Try using your elemental debuffs and watch them fall off in seconds ... assuming you can land them at all. As for MPs I usually have around +100 MP higher than an Elvaan if everything is the same. It is nice to say "1f j0o h4v3 w4r subz0rz 1 h4v3 s4m3 mPz 4s j00!" but come back to reality for a moment. If everything is the same you will never have nearly the same MP pool as any other race ... with the exception of the Galkas. Further, MND is the easiest stat to boost through equipment ... and one of the least important when it comes to landing spells.

As for black mages they should sit. Really: they should sit. They get fast cast 3 for a reason and if it is a choice between you not sitting and not doing your job or them sitting what would you and your group prefer? Even with refresh they get one more spell per battle, something that isn't going to speed things up hardly at all when you consider that that is the equivalent of 8-9 seconds of melee damage. Pay attention to the real numbers some time and you'll understand.

As for losing MND with a cotehardie I'll still have +7 MND ... not a loss at all. As for losing the enfeebling bonus I find that it really isn't even needed except on certain classes of mobs. I would wager that you have only one change of gear that you use for everything preventing you from doing your job to its fullest and wouldn't understand, but changing your gear to perfectly match the mob you are fighting is called "good strategy".

Your post was another under the category of: "you don't like my race so you suck!" threads. It contains no shred of reality or rationality so I won't waste any more of my time with you.
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#149 May 12 2004 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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@.@.... out of the 145 post i read 140 of them i neglected to read the last 5 just skim through them.

ok here is my opinion I melee when until dagger/sword gets capped usually around 12K XP or when I feel more active. I become a caster if Im lazy makes my job easier honestly it does make job easier, I always have refresh on myself tank and whm when im in lazy mode and keep the debuffs on the mob and I actually remember to haste. It is a little harder for me when I melee but that could just be me. I have my good melee days when I keep up the debuffs and refresh and I have my bad day melee where I totally forget about my refresh or not reading log that refresh wears out on after I see it wears of on the WHM @.@ then I recast on myself then pld the whm lol kinda late but hey they still getting refresh!

About the AOE I read sombodys post I forget who wrote it cause like I said I read 140 posts in the matter of 1hr and you kno how it is. AOE Anticans and Mandys = X for melee I agree I stay far away. But Goblins, Robber crabs, Terror pugils Im not scared of there AOE!!! Im fearless to the Elemental AOE but thats just me again cause I apply the correct Bar-line spell and take minimal dmg from 0-40 dmg on AOE with bar-spell w/o bar spell 125-200 dmg big difference.

To sickeness: ok could I have a reason why you just cast instead of using your dagger/sword + en-spell? I mean the person that posted said 10 hits with dagger doing 10dmg + 8-12 dmg en-spell will out dmg your 350MB that is only happens once in a battle. Is it cause your a taru? You ever think about soloing own coffer keys for other jobs if the time ever comes? I kno **** well that Lv75RDM/37NIN could solo any coffer key they need for any of there other jobs. I bet they have there dagger capped out so they could use eviceration Lv230 dagger skill 5 hitter. Is it not worth just capping your dagger/sword then become a full on back line person? After I cap my sword/dagger Im really rarely at the front lines cause honestly it makes RDM job much easier for me if I dont have to attack but I feel somewhat obligated to when my dagger/sword is not capped, reason: For what I have stated before to solo my own keys. and bring out the fullest out of RDM.
#150 May 12 2004 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
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Weren't you the guy who got jailed and TOSed by a Japanese GM for letting your son play for you?
#151 May 12 2004 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Weren't you the guy who got jailed and TOSed by a Japanese GM for letting your son play for you?



what does that have to do with anything?
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