Refresh IIFollow

Do you think we will get it now?

Consider that most mages will get new spells with higher spell cost and larger MP pools.

So what do you think?

Also Haste II, Can I have it?

Would rather RDM take a different direction beyond ye olde MP battery. I guess there's been promise of new enfeebles, but those will only be as useful as the mobs are difficult. Our melee game still needs some work despite those who will defend its current status. However, RDM/SCH will likely gain some more popularity if Accession is possible at 80/40 (Hastega, Refreshga, and Enspellga [Of which hopefully T2s get fixed]).

Yeah, absolutely no reason for all merit spells and abilities to be acquired via levels now. Existing merits can just be changed to enhance what they currently are. Double people would complain that much, then.

/nin DW 3 (25%) + SB 3 = awsome

/war aggresser

Wonder how effective absorb tp Chain spell willbe to nms that cant be stunned.

Edited, Feb 28th 2010 7:46pm by charloxxx

I only expect RDM to get run-of-the-mill spells. I'm actually expecting new abilities and, perhaps, a new line of enspells since we're stapled on them.

Overall though, I'm expecting a lot of new viable subjobs.

EDIT: Btw, yeah, this might get me back in the game just to see what level 99 RDM is like.

Edited, Feb 28th 2010 8:35pm by CarthRDM

You can't -ga White Magic offensive spells. So no Paralyze-ga's or Slow-ga's. Same reason you can't -ga Black Enhancing spells (IceSpikes-ga?).

Well if anything ga buffing + some Refresh II and Haste II will really open up some meleeing doors for RDM.

As for a new line of en spells I really didn't think about that. Although somehow I see SE not giving us tier III en spells.

But hey I never thought they would raise the cap either.

I'm sure we'll get tier4 nukes. Presumably blm will get tier5 nukes, so it stands to reason we'll get tier4.

yeah im kinda wondering what the point of a rdm main is going to be at 99. if they dont give rdm tier 4 nukes and refresh/haste 2, there wont be much of a reason to level rdm instead of sch. sch can already nuke better, give them the ability to refresh/haste a party and rdm is pretty much useless. if anything i could only see 1 rdm in a whole alliance now. only need one to put up para/slow 2 and dia 3.

they said they were going to give rdm more enfeebles but they also said they were going to give new enfeebles to other jobs as well. im not sure what that means, but its all speculation at this point anyway.

My prediction:

rdm will get slow III, para III, blind III, etc at level 99.

All new nm's will be immune to slow, para, blind, etc.. (just like the majority of the new nm's have been)

Taken from an interview:



Have fun, guys. >_>

Would be nice if WHM got Regen VI then ... anyway, Refresh II sounds neat. No more cycles, and Refresh II, and Convert, I think you guys will be fine. I'm expecting Haste II now honestly.

Refresh II will drop from a new HNM

Taisaijinzo

God Haste II would be broken if it was like 25%. No reason to ever SV marches ever again.

After seven years I'm ready to give up any idea that people will ever really "Accept" A front line Red Mage commonly. It's just something the melee-desired RDM will have to cram down someone's throats, and that's the last say in it.

Any job that can main heal is usually forced to, with the one Exception of Blue Mage, and that's because they really do have a limited curing base and not that good of an MP pool to back it, unlike Summoner.

Now with the fact that every job can practically sub a main healer if necessary (with inclusion of subbing at least the first tier haste) there's no way NOT to retort back and say "sub your own @#%^ing healer, I'm out of here" and have the RDM go his own way. In fact, we may see a loss of healer jobs in EXP parties all together, except to perhaps sub scholar and AoE buffs. To which my enspellga argument stands firm as we can manage haste cycles normally and AoE Stoneskin and Enspells in the front line (With the occasional RegengaII).

The Skill grade gaps do worry me. There's no lie there. But if SE scales the skill upgrades to keep their current gaps I'll be fine with it. We have the accuracy of an A - sword and dagger skill now and so long as SE keeps that true, they'll be no problem.

There is also the issue of gear increases. Theres's 23 levels worth of gear upgrades potentials we can see coming and that essential cleans the slate as to what they can do for Red Mage. More Hybrid orientated gear, which we've been asking for years (Barring Add-on gear) to get may be more feasible now. And if nothing else, they can always add the upgrades in the Trials section for us to customize in.

All and all I'm not as concerned as most of the whiners are in this situation. There's just too much Red Mage gets out of this situation in sub jobs alone for me to really worry too much on what they give us on top of it.

I wonder if refresh 1 and 2 will stack? Or if refresh 2 will be aoe. There's just too little info right now.

If SE really wants to see us on the front line, then the need to fix us for sure. I do agree with gear options, but i have another idea. I think they really should up RDM's crit hit chances ... by a lot. We are duelist's after all. Don't we know how to get a kill shot with a sword?
Give us Good RDM only + att and +ACC gear to put us close to other DD's, and up our crit hit % rate so that we can tetter totter right on the line. That would do wonders. ... My opinion of course.

Yeah...I can't see them touching our crit rate while Innin is lvl 40.
Innin and Duel Wield III are already going to skyrocket our DPS while /nin.

(Assuming they don't nerf either as a subjob which they most likely will ; ;)

Maybe that's the new debuff SE was hinting at.

Dia for evasion :D

I wouldn't mind a spell that reduced the enemy's evasion stat by 15% :D

If you think SE isn't already going to do everything they can to cripple RDM solo of any new content, you're kidding yourself.

Edited, Mar 2nd 2010 5:41pm by Aliekber

Merely making ninjutsu incompatible with Fast Cast would be a start, I'd think. Not that it would make everything impossible, but it would probably be enough to cause problems for certain mobs, and it wouldn't really be a direct nerf to RDM at all.

Edited, Mar 2nd 2010 8:32pm by Fynlar

Wut?

RDM Melee is pretty formidable right now. It's actually in a really nice position. It's not eye shocking but it's viable in anything with VT or similar difficulty. My PLD friend and I duo/trio with people out in Beau [S] against VT imps and cointeaches and i'm constantly putting up 50dmg/swing and popping 500-550 death blossoms (I see 750's when I get a brutal earring proc on it). That 50dmg/swing is without enspell damage.

Of course, he's a homam paladin and completely obliterates my damage, but would it really be better if I just stood in the back and tossed thunder III's? No, it wouldn't.

I melee in most assaults I can get away with too. I just add good damage and I can still support my party just as well.

I don't want to be able to add eye-shocking DD damage, but being able to put up decent numbers (maybe 70-80% of a true DD's damage) is what I want to see happen. That's basically what we're at right now and I like that.

The combat scaling scare is what's putting me on the plank right now. They've been doing nothing but help out RDM melee. Enspell II's are a godsend for me because my best friend in game is a DNC and I can still have enspell damage while getting samba's. I'm just hoping B scales just as well as A except every once and a while, so the difference is something like 30-32~ at 99. I could live with that.

EDIT:

Or, why not just give us Black Magic Enspell III's (Couldn't be AoE'd as /SCH this way) and have them do something like +attack for enfire III, +acc for enthunder III, etc. So many ways they can play with rdm if they really wanted to.

Edited, Mar 4th 2010 4:19am by Zafire

Composure II working on party members along with rocking more +ACC would be okay with me. Though, it's definitely not the only tweak I'd want.

This is similar to what they did with Stormsurge is it not? Its an interesting concept, I actually like it a lot. Its a pretty nice idea to give Enspells a "mage" use as well as a melee. Want to nuke higher? Put up EnBlizzardII and get more Int. Want more Str cast EnFireII on yourself. Like I said, its a nice idea, but I would guess they would never put it in the actual En-Spell. SE has been moving more and more into the realm of Passive Traits as well as Active Job Buffs with long durations and short cooldowns to change existing spells. Afflatus and Composure as an example of this. I would be more inclined to believe we could see a job ability at 85 or so that changed one of our spells to give us specifically a stat/skill buff.

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That being said, I have been always been of the back line type Red Mage. One that was more than happy to Buff/Debuff for my group when I was in a group/alliance as much as I was happy to go solo any challenge. I would love to see new and more interesting debuffs and buffs. But what is left? We have a Paralyze, we have an attack speed down, a movement speed down, an evasion debuff, a defense debuff, an accuracy debuff, and an attack power down debuff. What is left? Honestly, only two things come to mind... a Magic Defense reduction maybe or maybe a version of TP Gain Reduction, a debuff version of Auspice? Something that other classes may have in some form, but in forms not necessarily used regularly. Something that changes the Drown/Rasp BLM debuff line stronger or even given to us naturally.

I would also postulate that /RDM Refresh will be nerfed slightly and be 2MP/Tick and the inevitably Refresh II will be 4MP/tick with a 5minute duration instead of 2:30. Other things we may see is Dispel II with a multiple buff removal or even an Aura Steal version. I just really dont see a Haste that is unnerfed as /whm or /rdm. Nor do I see them giving HasteII as huge of a % increase that is as large as most believe.

TLDR: An ability to change En-Spells into a dual buff that interests casters and melee RDM = Good.
We need new debuffs that we can call our own (Magic Defense Down/TP Reduction) The Rdm "cycle" buffs aren't gonna go anywhere just cause they are going to subjob RDM. Plus Dispel II!